SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1278 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 47581 times:
Hello Guys and Gals:
I was just looking at a photo posted by a fellow A-netter, of a Thomas Cook 767 interior. I could not see the whole cross section of the coach cabin, but I did notice that there were 4 seats in the middle section. A quick check on Thomas Cook's website confirmed that they seat 8 across in coach on their 767s. (Thomas Cook does not seem to be in the SeatGuru radar...)
I admit I am not as much in the loop as many of you here, but I had not heard of this being done in a 767 before.
I have seen threads with lots of opinions about some airlines (KL, EK) going to 10 across on their 777s, and there was a lot of chatter about how cramped that might be, or if extra leg room eases that configuration. But I have never heard of this 767 added seat until now.
Logic would dictate, from a ratio and comfort standpoint, that it's more challenging to add one seat to a row of 7, than it is to add one more seat to a row of nine, as in the case of the 777. I believe I went to Hawaii once on Sun Country, in a DC-10 with 10 across...
Is the 767 layout as 7 particularly generous (it's particular cabin width, divided by 7), thus lending itself to this new arrangement? I know people have preferred the 767 because of all the twin seat options in coach, but I have heard less about typical seat width.
I wonder if, in these troubling times, other airlines could follow suit... It seems a logical step in this climate of drastic reduction of services. Perhaps the traditional 7-across seating in 767s is destined to be reserved for "economy plus?" Nothing surprises me anymore...
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1825 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 47557 times:
All UK charter operators have, at some point, had 8 abreast config on their 767's. Only relatively recently has FCA broken the mould. Funnily enough the average charter passenger has never really moaned and groaned about the seat width in the way that they have the seat pitch. Indeed, to be honest it isn't as bad as you might think.
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 47461 times:
Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 2): I flew on a Mytravel 767 which was 8 abreast, was only a 4 hour flight and I paid peanuts for the flight (with my penny pinching ex) so wasn't bothered Smile
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 1): Funnily enough the average charter passenger has never really moaned and groaned about the seat width in the way that they have the seat pitch. Indeed, to be honest it isn't as bad as you might think.
I'm glad the average Joe (a group I am very much part of) can go on a vacation and not pay an arm and a leg for it.
I seem to be in the minority with regard to my comfort preference; I find the softness of a seat (whether or not the seat is a floatation device, for example...) and the width of a seat more important than the legroom, since I endeavor to put my carry-on above me. But, to each his own. And I am 6 ft. Maybe because I often travel alone... so sleeping on someones shoulder is generally not an option...
Interesting to note that this seems to be an anomaly for British, international LLCs. Since a lot of 767 flights are shorter (in the 4 hour range) - I wonder if the majors are going to notice this opportunity to increase their CASM??
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8722 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 47406 times:
BY ( remember them ? ) used to fly from Britain to Australia and New Zealand seasonally with 767s using 8 abreast economy seating - but they used to offer absurdly cheap fares for last minute deals on the backhaul segments ( would you believe NZD 399 - at that time probably around CAD 290.00 for AKL-LGW with 3-4 enroute stops )
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
Frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 47199 times:
Quoting SSTsomeday (Thread starter): I have seen threads with lots of opinions about some airlines (KL, EK) going to 10 across on their 777s, and there was a lot of chatter about how cramped that might be, or if extra leg room eases that configuration.
I've been on an 8 hour MP flight on the sole 8 abreast 767 they had a few years ago, and also on a 9 hour flight on an AF 77W 10 abreast COI configuration. And I can assure you: the 767 flight was the worst I've ever had! It was so bad, it made me decide never to fly MP again (and with 9 abreast A330's coming for MP, that's not going to change). About every person bumped into my shoulder, and not a single trolley missed me
Compared with that, the COI 77W was not so bad at all. It wasn't exactly luxurious, but it didn't feel different from sitting in a 747... And at least I could sleep decently in the 77W.
And there were no complaints from fellow Y passengers either on the AF 77W flight about the seats - but I sure wasn't the only one complaining on the MP 767 flight
Ncfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 47142 times:
I have flown on a 8 abreast 767 (thonsonfly), a 9 abreast A300 (monarch) and an EK 10 abreast 777. I found all to be fine on the width side of things, but I have never got enough legroom. I realy cannot understand most fo the negative comments that EK and the charter carriers get on here, it is not as bad as made out, IMHO.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 47113 times:
The only 767 charter (UK) operator with 7 abreast is FCA and now this is to be operated by ThomsonFly we shall see if they are going to reconfigure or not. There is a way for you to find out if you are 7 or 8 and that is if the flight number is TOM then it is 8 and if the flight number is ToM then it is 7.
Not sure how they will configure the 787's they have on order as they were ordered by First Choice but the final cabin will be arranged the ThomsonFly. I am looking forward the the Non-stop flights to Hawaii...
LHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 47094 times:
IIRC, Air Mauritius (or was it Air Seychelles?) was the first airline to experiment with the 8-abreast Y seating for the 767 in the 1980s - I remember reading an article about it in Flight International at the time...
LGW-MRU or SEZ in 8-abreast would have been pretty punishing!
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 47040 times:
With legroom, the space in front of you is yours alone.
With shoulderroom, it is much more dependant on who you're sitting next too. Sit between 2 petite ladies, and you'll be ok with 8 abreast 767s etc. Sit between 2 wider men, and it can be very uncomfortable. Sitting between 2 friends on a 737 was horrible, as we're all quite large, and after 3 hours my arms were about to drop off with the lack of bloodflow...
it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2148 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46602 times:
BA had 10-abreast in its TriStars - both shorthaul and longhaul - in the 1980s too. The DC-10s it inherited from BCal had 9-abreast and remained that throughout their life with BA. For a couple of years both types were being operated, with a couple of seasons where a handful of TriStars were operating longhaul from LGW alongside the DC-10s.
AirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46568 times:
I know JL uses B747-200SR on domestic flight and its all economy but I've notice they didn't install extra seat across like having 3x5x3 instead the standard 3x4x3. Any reason why they didn't think of using that layout if they wanted to have more seats for domestic flight?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46494 times:
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 19): I know JL uses B747-200SR on domestic flight and its all economy but I've notice they didn't install extra seat across like having 3x5x3 instead the standard 3x4x3. Any reason why they didn't think of using that layout if they wanted to have more seats for domestic flight?
They already have about 570 seats on their domestic 747s. I think that's enough. Any more would probably run into certification problems due to the number of emergency exits etc. Don't forget that 747s only had 9-abreast seating in Y class for the first few years after they went into service.
Also, the JL and NH domestic 747s are not all-economy. They have a domestic premium cabin also.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7108 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46492 times:
Talk about a horror story:
Flew on the AMC flight (operated by a North American 763) BAH-CHQ-NAP-TER-NOB. I was in 26E but here's the funny part. When I was assigned the seat in Bahrain, I said to the guy, oh this is an aisle seat so this is ok (I originally wanted a window) and he didn't respond but I didn't give it a second thought. Hey, the aviation nut I am, I know that E on a 767 is the aisle on the starboard side...NOT! I got on the plane and saw 8 abreast and was very upset. I'm a smaller guy and the guy sitting to my right was rather stout so lets just say that I didn't use my armrest the entire flight.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7108 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 46367 times:
So here's my question, is the width of the seat a bit smaller than 7 across or is there a simple shift in how the middle row is placed in the cabin (thus the aisle space being much smaller vice the seat width).
What gets measured gets done.
: 8-abreast 767 seats (and aisles) are very narrow. Fortunately I've never flown on one but I would expect they are even worse than 6-abreast BAe146s/A
: The seats are very narrow and the seat pitch very tight in the middle seats. I spent 4 hours 15 mins in 29E when I took the above photo and even I fe
: Yes, they are! I've only flown the 767 in 8 abreast once and would never do it again, as another poster said, the legroom was just as much of a probl
: Darren, let me just say that's a really nice photo. Looks like a full airplane!!!
: Wow didn't know 9 abreast seating was the standard in the past for short while.
: Thanks. I have one from her sister aircraft, G-TCCA in the queue but I don't have much confidence in it getting accepted here. The shutter speeds wer
: Interesting, I would have though that they give you a little extra legroom if they are going to put and extra seat in the row. I guess they get you b
: A lot of the width issue depends on who is beside you. If it is a larger person and that extra width becomes very important. It really makes you appre
: I just flew GLA-DBX-SIN-MEL on EK 777 all the way (10 across in coach). Seat width was OK actually but leg room poor. The first leg was on a -300ER wh
: JL used their high density planes n their domestic routes whose flights only last a couple of hours. These flights are like taking a bus and that's h
: This thread has reminded me all about my trip on a WhyTravel 767 back in 2002(ish). Flew G-DIMB (now with MON, sistership to G-DAJC and G-SJMC) down t
: Yes, they do. They are fabulous looking forward so you can see the landing gears and engines on take off and landing. The take off from Manchester an
: Yes I remember the positioning of the camera to be brilliant. The Airshow programme on the monitors cycled through the map and camera view after the p
: I believe it's being leased to Air Méditerranée for the winter season. Darren
: What would the capacity be of a 763 with 8 abreast?