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FAA Rushed Certification Of Light Jet  
User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/09/17/faa.problem.jet/index.html


i don't get why they would do this? Did they have any special interests? I thought that the FAA was really strict on these types of things.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

I'm not too eager to see hundreds of these little things up there congesting the airspace more than it already is. I guess I wouldn't be too concerned if the FAA were to back-pedal and take Eclipse's certificate away. Many people agree with me, but few are willing to admit it in fear of a flaming.

User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1640 times:



Quoting Detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Did they have any special interests?

Of course they did, to get an airplane certified that's 'kind of a big deal!' Due to the high profile nature of this aircraft, there was pressure on the FAA to get the airplane certified from:

-the manufacturer (obviously!)
-the industry
-internal FAA pressure
-other portions of the government?

Production problems are certainly not a surprise. An experienced manufacturer has enough trouble producing a new type, let alone a new manufacturer trying to do it!

I would bet the majority of these serious issues the FAA found, such as wire routings, are exaggerated. Heaven forbid a wire bundle be routed through the wrong 1 inch hole. 'Mature' airplane designs are subject to a continual string of SB's, AD's, and the like for much more serious issues than this... which will never make it into the news!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
Many people agree with me, but few are willing to admit it in fear of a flaming

 Confused
Perhaps their competitors? Other than that, I certainly don't care.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
I'm not too eager to see hundreds of these little things up there congesting the airspace more than it already is

Please, not this argument again.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1560 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
I'm not too eager to see hundreds of these little things up there congesting the airspace more than it already is.

I don't care about the airspace - I'm worried about them congesting the accident reports.

-Mir



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Thread starter):

Which Light Jet....? Who made it...? There are several out there...........Your title should say The FAA rushed the Eclipse VLJ.

[Edited 2008-09-17 15:00:51]


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User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

The article mentions three incidents since April which resulted in minor to substantial damage to an Exclipse. What were they?

-safetyDemo



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

This is from Oshkosh '06....................

""What I have in my hand is probably the most significant piece of paper in America today, a piece of paper that will truly change the face of aviation," said FAA Administrator Marion Blakey, just before handing the provisional Type Certificate for the Eclipse 500 VLJ, to Vern Raburn, Eclipse Aviation’s president and CEO.

Blakey made the presentation at 1:15 p.m. Thursday during a press conference at the Eclipse Pavilion. Acting Secretary of Transportation Maria Cino and EAA President Tom Poberezny also attended the presentation."


The FAA and the DOT were promoting VLJ's on one hand and complaining about congestion in the air on the other. I guess that shouldn't seem strange.

Might be interesting to see if Marion Blakely is on somebody's BOD after she retired.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1361 times:



Quoting Detroitflyer (Thread starter):
i don't get why they would do this? Did they have any special interests?

As noted in prior posts, they certainly did. I also understand that Eclipse's chief certification guy was a recent hire-away from the local FAA, so potential conflict of interest there.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Thread starter):
I thought that the FAA was really strict on these types of things.

They generally are, but the FAA has a double job...ensure a safe *and* efficient air transport system. They're not supposed to compromise safety, but they are supposed to get aircraft certified if they can. They don't have the manpower or expertise to assess every aspect of every design...they spot check, and they audit, and they try to ensure that the OEM has the processes and expertise to ensure that what's left meets the FAR's.

Tom.


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