Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
With a firm start date and frequency mentioned, maybe this service will actually happen! (But let's see how long the flights last; my bet is maybe until January.)
AS does operate this route n/s daily (seasonally it appears) so good luck to AM on getting any traffic; of course they can count on all the n/b Mexican travellers heading TO Seattle for the winter...
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1753 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 2): With a firm start date and frequency mentioned, maybe this service will actually happen! (But let's see how long the flights last; my bet is maybe until January.)
this flight looks like a sure thing.
Anybody know how AM is doing on their MEX-SEA-MEX venture????
MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 273 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 3): this flight looks like a sure thing.
Juventus, I can't agree more with you.
Quoting Juventus (Reply 3): Anybody know how AM is doing on their MEX-SEA-MEX venture????
My extended family and mine have a long history with Seattle since the World Fair took place there in 62, we all reside either in SEA, MEX or CUN, so we are AeroMexico's regular customers on the route; and from experience, we can tell that occupation never falls under 60%, never minding the season.
Anyone in the SEA-TAC area can tell you this is a succesful operation, not one that will require a 7x weekly non-stop or a wide-body brought in, but a very nice deal for the...
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4): out of curiosity how many Mexicans (or those of Mexican ancestry) live in the Seattle area
...for the many, many Mexicans that reside in western Washington. Actually, the Mexican ex-pats residing in all of Washington and voting in Mexico's presidential election in 2006, made up the 5th largest concentration of Mexicans living in the US after CA, IL, TX and AZ.
More than the SEA-TAC area, eastern Washington has a larger concentration of Mexicans. Around Spokane you can hear Spanish as frecuently as English, like in Los Angeles.
The Mexican community in Seattle is quite big and nice as it is made up of many professional residents working there in corporations that badly need Mexican Spanish native speakers like Microsoft, along with many undocumented immigrants from homeland.
Business travel is also present, as Seattle is home to Microsoft, Starbucks and other companies with big investment in Mexico and it is the other way around too for the Mexican Bimbo Bakeries and Corona's Hop fields in Idaho.
My first MEX-LAX-SEA flight was back in the 60's with Western Airlines on a Boeing 720, since then almost all connections took aproximately 8-12 hours from MEX to SEA, I also flew Braniff through DFW, TWA through STL, Delta through ATL!, America West through PHX, Alaska through GDL, ZLO and PVR and Mexicana through PVR or MZT back in the 80's.
As SEA is the furthest destination from MEX in the 48 lower states, AeroMexico's 5 and a half hour non-stop ever in history had to be a success. Not even BOS or JFK are as far as SEA. In the old times, if we had raced MEX-MAD vs MEX-???-SEA we could have arrived in Europe first most of the time.
Can't wait to do CUN-SEA again soon with a weekend stop at SJD!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7254 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1503 times:
Good to see AM adding a new route! They will have to offer good fares and make a big marketing effort in order to lure passengers away from AS. Anybody knows if this will be a 73W or an E190 service?
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 5): As SEA is the furthest destination from MEX in the 48 lower states, AeroMexico's 5 and a half hour non-stop ever in history had to be a success.
Hi Mayavia, if I am not mistaken, AM is now flying the non-stop MEX-SEA-MEX less than 7x weekly... can't recall if it is 4 or 5x weekly, so I wonder how successful this route really is. I recall reading posts by other well informed a.netters in the sense that SEA was not performing well and could even be axed at some point (I hope this will not happen). On the subject of loads above the 60% threshold, this by itself does not guarantee a profitable flight. If most of the passengers are flying in coach on cheaper fares, if most of the business passengers are upgrades, and if the belly of the planes is not filled with cargo, then even with a 70% + load factor the flight could potentially be a loser for AM.
I hope AM can thrive in SEA and turn a profit... I just wonder how this route is really performing.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1468 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6): Anybody knows if this will be a 73W or an E190 service?
It has got to be a 73G operating on the route, most likely...
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 5):
Anyone in the SEA-TAC area can tell you this is a succesful operation, not one that will require a 7x weekly non-stop or a wide-body brought in, but a very nice deal for the...
I highly doubt a flight that went from daily, to 4x weekly, and soon further reduced to 3x weekly, is "successful."
AM has no plans to fly to SFO. They simply filed for SFO route authority, but they have no intention to initiate service. AM does this with many cities, including MSP, CLE, and IAD.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3024 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1365 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4): Obviously Los Cabos is a leisure-based route, but out of curiosity how many Mexicans (or those of Mexican ancestry) live in the Seattle area?
In SEA it's much lower than PDX, LAX, SAN, PHX, etc. Really not a large population in the Puget Sound region by comparison.
The majority of the Mexican population in Washington State is in the Yakima and Tri-Cities areas, but these are a 3+ hour drive from SEA.
I hope SEA-MEX can hang-on, but it's always been a long-shot. The resort traffic makes more sense; AS cleans up on those routes in the winter.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1284 times:
I could see AM doing well on the SEA-SJO service. AS has been doing this season after season and it's a popular destination.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
According to AM's (somewhat unreliable) website's "SEA Service" page, http://www.aeromexico.com/usa/englis...avel/what_new/flights/seattle.html
there will be a daily departure out of SEA at 9:30am: on 4 & 7, it will be flt 673 to SJD, and X4 & 7, flight 671 will do it's funky SEA-MEX-GDL routing. (It states that this schedule starts 10-12-08.) They don't mention that the SJD flight continues beyond Cabo but who knows...
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): I highly doubt a flight that went from daily, to 4x weekly, and soon further reduced to 3x weekly, is "successful."
Thanks for the details on the scheduled pull-back on the SEA-MEX flt, MAH'; I spent a while today looking for a couple of previous threads that discussed AM routes (inc SEA) but couldn't find a thing.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2636 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
I highly doubt a flight that went from daily, to 4x weekly, and soon further reduced to 3x weekly, is "successful."
I'd be surprised if AM is still at SEA in a year.
Exactly - they only added the Cabo stop because they can't fill up the flight when its nonstop from MEX.
MX is the successful airline on the U.S.-Mexico routes, not AM.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1146 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 15): MX is the successful airline on the U.S.-Mexico routes, not AM.
Why does Mexcana always seem to do better than Aeromexico??? is it cheaper fares, better service, or what???
I guess as long as MX doesn't compete with them on the European and Asian routes, I suppose they'll be all right
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
AM has some pretty attractive vacation packages from SEA to SJD.
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