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User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 814 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
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Good evening all,

Just looking at my usual SDF Flightaware page and noticed an arrival from PHL which was really a divert from a PHL-BNA flight. The flight was almost in BNA, any reason why it could have diverted to SDF which seems further away.

Both cities seem to be having no weather problems, etc.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWI3795

John

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User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 814 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
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And now I just found one that was enroute to SDF and diverted to IAD (from LGA).

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...7/history/20080918/1919Z/KLGA/KIAD


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

The IAD diversion was most likely a mechanical, since IAD would have been the nearest suitable airport as defined by a QRH procedure.

As for the BNA diversion to SDF, that one is puzzling. A nearest suitable for a mechanical would be BNA in that situation, and the metars all look like beautiful weather. The only things that I could possibly think of would be some sort of problem on the Ground in BNA, like a security breach or power failure. But if something like that happened, it would affect a lot more than an Air Wisky flight.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2111 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
The IAD diversion was most likely a mechanical, since IAD would have been the nearest suitable airport as defined by a QRH procedure.

I'd have thought that CHO, LWB, or CRW were closer to the point of the 180-degree turn than IAD was...

Look like Air Willie had a bad day...


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1964 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
I'd have thought that CHO, LWB, or CRW were closer to the point of the 180-degree turn than IAD was...

Look like Air Willie had a bad day...

LWB is not an approved diversion airport since we don't have Jeppessen plates for it, and CRW and CHO both have pretty short runways.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

That's OK, I'm not current on CRJ performance, and just assumed they would have been viable spots....

User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 814 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:
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Well I guess it's a mystery never to be solved unless we have an AWI operations person on the board.

John


User currently offlineScoobyd75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Hey guys I work for express in PHL I just found out that the Anti-Skid on the aircraft was inop or not functioning and the long runway in BNA was closed a thing the Air Wisky dispatch failed to remember abd inform the crew.. So the closest long runway as crazy as this may seem was SDF.Then it gets better there was no transporttation because of the ryder cup so they sent the flight from SDF to CVG with the PAX swapped to another aircraft in CVG and then flew to BNA with the new aircraft from there. Flight from hell if you ask me.

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1696 times:



Quoting Scoobyd75 (Reply 7):
Hey guys I work for express in PHL I just found out that the Anti-Skid on the aircraft was inop or not functioning and the long runway in BNA was closed a thing the Air Wisky dispatch failed to remember abd inform the crew.. So the closest long runway as crazy as this may seem was SDF.Then it gets better there was no transporttation because of the ryder cup so they sent the flight from SDF to CVG with the PAX swapped to another aircraft in CVG and then flew to BNA with the new aircraft from there. Flight from hell if you ask me.

That makes total sense now. The Anti Skid is a very restrictive MEL and I have diverted flights into EWR and SWF from LGA because of it failing before. The dispatcher should have noticed this and told someone, and the Pilot should have caught it. That being said, with the workload the Air Wisconsin dispatchers are asked to work these days (which can be as high as 100 flights per ten hour shift with 14 and sometimes 18 aircraft at a time), it is easy for these things to slip past. In fact, starting this month, management has cut 1 shift from each day, so you have 1 fewer dispatcher each day. The TWU quietly approved this without consulting the membership either. I tip my hat off to this group for accomplishing what they do, because SOC management seems to turn SOC into a Mesa lookalike every day. And that worries me because ZW is much, much better that Mesa.

Not to mention the state of PHL mx right now. They can't keep mechanics there, they have very few as it is, and the ones they have aren't exactly the cream of the crop.

I look at ZW and I look at OO. Management always tells us we need to get our costs in line with OO. But yet, OO can afford things like inflight magazines, Sel Cal, Category 2 approach certification, an ATC coordinator for SOC, Acars Printers, and everything. We can't afford any of those things according to management, and somehow we have higher operating costs than SkyWest. That really baffles me, and I can't get management to give me a good answer on that.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1620 times:



Quoting Scoobyd75 (Reply 7):
I just found out that the Anti-Skid on the aircraft was inop or not functioning and the long runway in BNA was closed a thing the Air Wisky dispatch failed to remember abd inform the crew..

You know for a fact that it was inop before departure and deferred as per the MEL versus it having failed enroute?


User currently offlineScoobyd75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Yes because my superviser in Express Ops in PHL was the one that informed me This afternoon and he was the one who spoke to Air Wiskey MTC last night and they informed him they knew of the MEL but failed to inform the crew of the closed runway in BNA

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

OK, just wasn't clear from your earlier post...

Stuff happens...  Wink


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