IrregKing From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 18686 times:
Oh my god, this is just horrible!
So this is the surveillance video from the highway they were talking about, which was part of the investigation for the cause of the accident...
I can not imagine what the families of the victims must have felt when this video was released.
May the souls lost in this accident rest in peace.
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MidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18503 times:
Umm..I don't quite understand what's going on...
It looks at first like it's starting to rotate, and then it's just going along the ground. Did it jump up and then back down? I thought it rolled in air, is this true? Did it actually get any significant altitude?
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2888 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18226 times:
The camera is not filming at 25 frames per second, like a TV camera would work. Thus the movements seem to be rapid and jerking. That is why the plane seems to jump up and then just go straight.
Jasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 190 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17690 times:
Just my take on the video is that the plane looks to go off the right side of the runway while rotating. I wonder if the rear wheels "dug" into the sand or gravel and thus pulling the nose back down.
What caused the plane to change direction of the runway could be anyones guess, maybe rudder failure?
After seeing this, unless the video has been edited or fake, I don't think the plane got airborne. Difficult to say cause its right at the end of a really long runway.
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 16365 times:
WOW!
This is really awful to watch... This plane slid a while on the ground before it was engulfed in flames... I can't imagine how terrible these last few seconds must have been for the passengers on board...
My heart truly goes out to all those involved in this terrible tragedy.
Jdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 350 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14719 times:
Quoting Jasondn (Reply 5): After seeing this, unless the video has been edited or fake, I don't think the plane got airborne. Difficult to say cause its right at the end of a really long runway.
The preliminary report leaked to press says that I got up to 40 feet
Babybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3512 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14533 times:
Quoting IrregKing (Reply 1): I can not imagine what the families of the victims must have felt when this video was released.
I think anyone who lost family and friends that day would be comforted to know that it was all over very quickly. If they thought it would upset them I'm sure they wouldn't watch it.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
PeachAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 355 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14104 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 10): I think anyone who lost family and friends that day would be comforted to know that it was all over very quickly. If they thought it would upset them I'm sure they wouldn't watch it
Excellent point , the passengers probably had a fraction of second to think about it. Does it look to anyone like this video was sped up - or is that the actual speed the aircraft is depicting? If it is the actual video speed - WOW - most everyone on the aircraft had no clue.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13811 times:
Thanks for posting. I saw it on the news yesterday and could not find it anywhere.
My heart goes out to the family members of those lost.
JohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13735 times:
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I wonder if they could have survived if that brink was not there, it seems to slide "fine" until it falls over the edge.
Horrific clip, but very interesting, God bless their souls.
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BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13603 times:
You can see the plane disappearing into the hollow - I remember when the accident happened there was talk about this area being dangerous - the hollow is rocky and a plane wouldn't have stood a chance crashing into that. One wonders if there had been flat ground for the a/c to roll out on whether more people would have survived.
Umfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13603 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 7): This plane slid a while on the ground before it was engulfed in flames...
I think if it wasn't for that deep ditch at the end of the runway, most (maybe all?) passengers would have survived. Look very closely at the video. Only after the plane goes down that ditch does it go up in flames, breaking up.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13082 times:
Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 15): One wonders if there had been flat ground for the a/c to roll out on whether more people would have survived.
Perhaps everybody would have, if it was flat ground.
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It looks at first like it's starting to rotate, and then it's just going along the ground. Did it jump up and then back down? I thought it rolled in air, is this true? Did it actually get any significant altitude?
Looking at the video it got to about 50 odd ft.........
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
CptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12406 times:
From what I understand, there are questions as to whether takeoff flaps were set. Seeing this video, that makes perfect sense. It looks like the pilots tried to rotate prematurely when they realized they were running out of runway. The plane momentarily got airborne, but then stalled and settled back to the ground.
ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 834 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12123 times:
I had a chance to see the other video from a different angle on youtube yesterday before it was pulled. It clearly showed the a/c off the ground by about 35ft and it slamed back down hard and flat then swerved to the right and into the ravine.
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RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11823 times:
The video time code shows about 14 seconds from in the air to crash with black smoke starting to rise.
The first run thorugh the video is at near normal speed.
The second run through the video is at least double speed, maybe slightly faster.
EUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11013 times:
This video should never have been released, full stop. What is the purpose? Who benefits from seeing this -other than the investigation team? ...I am not surprised the only pilot on the investigation has left with all this sh**. Sad, very sad.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10737 times:
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 12): Could simply not setting the flap's correctly cause an aircraft to stall and crash this way?
Yes, failing to lower the leading edge slats on a Northwest MD-80 many years ago resulted in a deadly crash in Detroit. One survivor of that crash, a baby girl.
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25 Shed360: You would think in this day and age that all airports would have more cameras all over the place for security and help with any incidents. Just imagan
26 Hypersonic: How about this speculative video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xH6LbboAy0 In the animation, it is hinting that the aircraft split in TWO after r
27 PanAm747: It reminds me, unfortunately, of two horrific crashes: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19870816-2 http://aviation-safety.net/databas
28 Spacecadet: The public benefits by seeing the open investigative process. That is also how the NTSB works in this country, and it is one reason why it is nearly
29 F9Animal: It is so eery to see this. I would say that a stall or lack of lift would bring it back down so quickly. This is pretty much the same type of path NW
30 RFields5421: We've learned during the history of aircraft accident investigation to always released a great deal of information which some people think should be
31 JMULAH: The matter of truth, this video is horrendous to watch i feel guilty watching the whole thing over an over. It seems like they were rookie pilots tryi
32 Spacecadet: Any airplane can take off without flaps and slats with enough speed. NW 255 might have made it if there were no obstacles in the way. This was my poi
33 RFields5421: No trying to be a smart ass, but what do you know about V speeds, and rejected takeoffs. I'm going to beg you to learn some more. An aborted takeoff
34 Cumulus: Oh yes, if a member of my Family were onboard I would take a lot of solice from that........ That is such a daft thing to say it's not true.
35 JMULAH: I absolutely agree with you, but i just learnt from a very realiable source ( an A320 pilot from Spanair ) that even though both planes are different
36 WILCO737: You have to rotate when you run out of runway, you don't have any other options. Just do nothing and continue beyond the runway? Not a good option as
37 Acabgd: This was discussed in one of the previous threads. If I remember correctly the minimum takeoff speed for an MD-80 to lift off without flaps/slats wou
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