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Break Out The Shamrock Kool-aid: Irish 35/08  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to the temple of all things Aer Lingus. There are unconfirmed reports of other Irish airlines, some of which might be bigger than Aer Lingus or even own part of Aer Lingus (how dare they!), but they don't count.

Anyway, welcome on board. There's quite a bit of speculation now about the EI cutbacks and the Irish media is in full speculation mode about it:

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-threat-of-staff-cuts-1478899.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...tpage/2008/0920/1221861680393.html

The govt is pretty worried about the whole business of outsourcing ground staff, given the SIPTU threat to torpedo the national pay agreement. There's also talk about reducing the long haul fleet size from nine to eight (eastwards, guys, eastwards!), so we might see an adjustment of the o/s Airbus order. I sincerely hope not, but it's clearly a possibility.

So, my friends, place a shamrock on your lapels, take off your hats (or put one on so you can take it off) prostrate yourselves and listen to the soft notes of Gabriel's oboe in the background ...

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8996 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7968 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Just in case someone is looking for the old thread, here is the link:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eral_aviation/read.main/4139240/1/

Enjoy.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Thanks for the new thread Kaitak. If there was such a thing as Shamrock Kool Aid I guess it would look like this :::



Sláinte...........

-----------------------------------------------

Dublin Airport radar fault could recur

A computer failure that caused air traffic chaos at Dublin Airport this summer could happen again, the Irish Aviation Authority said today.

Thousands of passengers were grounded as airlines cancelled, diverted or delayed scores of flights in July when a malfunction hit the transport hub's radar system.

Problems began when codes which identify incoming aircraft vanished from the computer screens of air traffic controllers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0919/air.html


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7927 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
The govt is pretty worried about the whole business of outsourcing ground staff, given the SIPTU threat to torpedo the national pay agreement. There's also talk about reducing the long haul fleet size from nine to eight (eastwards, guys, eastwards!), so we might see an adjustment of the o/s Airbus order. I sincerely hope not, but it's clearly a possibility.

RTE News mentioned that most of the positions involved are at the core of the SIPTU base at EI. Outsourcing these jobs would make SIPTU effectively rudderless at EI. This is not going to be pretty.

It worries me that EI has more managers today than it did in 2001. This suggests that they merely eliminated posts here, there and anywhere and these posts were simply refilled when no-one was looking. If EI is serious about costs every department needs to be reorganised and trimmed down.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7911 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 3):
EI has more managers today than it did in 2001. This suggests that they merely eliminated posts here, there and anywhere and these posts were simply refilled when no-one was looking. If EI is serious about costs every department needs to be reorganised and trimmed down.

EI have reduced the number of staff, and the remainder are working in much more demanding roles. Dont forget that since 2001, EI has grown dramatically.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7907 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Good morning folks and welcome to the temple of all things Aer Lingus. There are unconfirmed reports of other Irish airlines, some of which might be bigger than Aer Lingus or even own part of Aer Lingus (how dare they!), but they don't count.

Brialliant start to my day....



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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Delighted and humbled that you accepted my idea for the thread title Kaitak.  Wink

Parsebandit makes an interesting point though: do we appear as a bit of a click with our own set of rules? I do notice many more Irish posters who do not post on these threads. While I think being accused of being EI Kool aid Drinkers goes way too far, perhaps if this is how we are perceived then maybe we should open our heads a little?

We've come in for a bit of stick this last thread... perhaps we should all think about what is being said?

 listen 



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7875 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 6):
Parsebandit makes an interesting point though: do we appear as a bit of a click with our own set of rules? I do notice many more Irish posters who do not post on these threads. While I think being accused of being EI Kool aid Drinkers goes way too far, perhaps if this is how we are perceived then maybe we should open our heads a little?

I think a clique is by nature exclusive; to my knowledge, we've never excluded anyone. Sure, many Irish members don't post here, but they don't have to and they know they're always welcome if and when they choose to. Other visitors have remarked on how friendly we are and even if we focus a lot on EI, that's hardly surprising on an Irish forum! Sure, there's always good in thinking anew and afresh, but I'd hate to think that anyone felt intimidated by us.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

Came back to DUB from EWR on Thursday on CO 22. Aircraft left the gate more or less on time at 19.05 to join a queue of no less than 40 aircraft, all awaiting departure from EWR due to some sort of ATC problem. The weather was clear. It still took over two hours to get off the ground, I dont think I will ever complain about ATC delay out of DUB again.

The aircraft was completely full and I believe the later CO service was also pretty well full also. It was a relatively quick transit, but still arrived just in time to meet the morning cross city traffic.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7828 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
but I'd hate to think that anyone felt intimidated by us.

I dont think they are. Anyone can post what they like and its good to have different opinions. As for being intimidated you have to have a thick skin on Anet anyway. Compared to other threads our deletion rate is very low and it would be good to keep it that way whilst having open discussion and ideas on where Irish aviation is or should be going.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7828 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
I think a clique is by nature exclusive; to my knowledge, we've never excluded anyone. Sure, many Irish members don't post here, but they don't have to and they know they're always welcome if and when they choose to. Other visitors have remarked on how friendly we are and even if we focus a lot on EI, that's hardly surprising on an Irish forum! Sure, there's always good in thinking anew and afresh, but I'd hate to think that anyone felt intimidated by us.

Kaitak,

I agree, I think we do make anyone welcome here, so long as they dont come rolling in with abuse. But I have read posts elsewhere where Irish Members do refer to this as a bit of an Aer Lingus love in. And to be honest, yes, the conversation is heavily EI related when there is so much more to Irish aviation. I work for another company, which rarely ever gets mentioned on here. Not that I mind, I understand that the National airline will always be the main topic. We also I think have a tendency to discuss the same issues on a fairly repetitive basis. Of course that is probably due to the fact that the same old things in Irish Aviation seem to never get fixed.

I just think maybe we should all try to increase the width and depth of the conversation beyond Aer Lingus and beyond DUB.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7822 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 10):
I think we do make anyone welcome here, so long as they are likeminded ardent Aer Lingus supporters

That explains it all.

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 10):
I understand that the National airline will always be the main topic.

So why is the talk so "heavily EI related" when Ryanair is Ireland's national airline?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7824 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Good morning folks and welcome to the temple of all things Aer Lingus. There are unconfirmed reports of other Irish airlines, some of which might be bigger than Aer Lingus or even own part of Aer Lingus (how dare they!), but they don't count.

You are too funny - and kudos for naming the thread from the suggestion on the last one as well  Smile

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 6):
do we appear as a bit of a click with our own set of rules?

Yes, quite frankly it did seem like that. When I first started posting on the threads, I never had any responses, so I basically ignored them for a while. I think things are a bit better nowadays - hey, perhaps I was posting crap, who can say  Smile

Meanwhile, what are people's thoughts on the current EI situation? Do you think EI management has the balls to actually stand up to the unions? Look at Alitalia (and other airlines in the past that have gone bust in the USA) - often the unions put the airlines in such a position that the airline is lost. Is this a real danger or not?



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7785 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 12):
Look at Alitalia (and other airlines in the past that have gone bust in the USA) - often the unions put the airlines in such a position that the airline is lost. Is this a real danger or not?

I think that in Alitalias case they should shut down and re open without Unions. They should go down the OA model.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7782 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
So why is the talk so "heavily EI related" when Ryanair is Ireland's national airline?

The Irish state still owns a percentage of EI, therefore it has far more claim to being the national airline than FR.

FR is in my eyes a European Airline, like Easyjet. They are perhaps the first two airlines that can indeed claim to be Pan European.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 10):
I think we do make anyone welcome here, so long as they are likeminded ardent Aer Lingus supporters

Eh... where the hell did that come from???? I didnt write that......  Confused  boggled 



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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7776 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 12):
Yes, quite frankly it did seem like that. When I first started posting on the threads, I never had any responses, so I basically ignored them for a while. I think things are a bit better nowadays - hey, perhaps I was posting crap, who can say

Classiclover, you took the words right out of my mouth. I felt like that myself, and indeed still do sometimes!  cry   cry   cry   cry   cool   cool 



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7758 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 14):
Sorry of course I wrote that how silly of me to forget. i apologise sincerely!

No worries, we'll forgive you this time!  Wink


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7755 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 12):
Meanwhile, what are people's thoughts on the current EI situation? Do you think EI management has the balls to actually stand up to the unions?

I'd like to think so but to be honest I hate the idea of Aer Lingus outsourcing all their ground staff at home bases. I think there are other ways that they could cut costs which would be in the airlines long term interest because the current rumours would be a quick fix and the easy way out. Management should stand up the unions but in this case it's in the airlines best interest to come up with something different that would really benefit the airline and then take it to the unions and discuss it with them and staff without everything getting too complicated like it has in the past.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Next we are going to be accused of bullying.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7750 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Next we are going to be accused of bullying.

* Kicks BestWestern's shin.* You're quite right.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7735 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 15):
Classiclover, you took the words right out of my mouth. I felt like that myself, and indeed still do sometimes!

See those smilies.... they indicate humour!



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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7720 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Next we are going to be accused of bullying.

I doubt it would quite get that far.

My aim in posting what I have was simply to show the perception that I have detected from some other users. It was meant as constructive, and in a "pro - Irish threads" fashion.

If that has caused a problem, I shall remember not to make the point again.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7695 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 17):
I hate the idea of Aer Lingus outsourcing all their ground staff at home bases

I hate the idea of AerLingus going bankrupt.

Airlines dont need airport staff. How many FR staff are in terminal at Stansted? How many EI staff are in terminal in Shannon?



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):
Airlines dont need airport staff.

That completely depends on the image you're trying to portray. In terms of airport check-in, If you wish that customer contact point to be flawless, it makes more sense - ignoring cost and efficiency implications - to have your own right staff that are properly trained and retrained to your standard because they will then maximise the effectiveness of that contact point. It's a trade-off that completely depends on what the airline's trying to achieve: cheaper and far less good outsourced staff, or more expensive but far more effective own staff.

[Edited 2008-09-20 07:54:31]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7685 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
That completely depends on the image you're trying to portray. If you wish every customer contact point to be flawless, it makes more sense, ignoring cost and efficiency implications, to have your own, right staff that are properly trained to your to an excellent standard that will then perform most effectively and then maximise the performance of that contact point.

Exactly. All frontline staff with customer contact should be your own. It just makes sense that way.

....have I just agreed with Pe@rson....why do I feel all dirty??....
 Silly  Big grin


25 OA260 : Very true. Just look at the difference in experience between checking in with Swiss in Dublin and that of Zurich. Dublin does not offer the right exp
26 Pe@rson : Every airline has multiple customer contact points. I do not believe that every airline must employ its own staff at each of those, as some airlines
27 ClassicLover : I agree. Any airline should be able to "bust unions" - because in this day and age, unions are an anachronism. I hazard a guess, but if you were payi
28 Gpbcroppers63 : I fully agree. When I checked in in DUB for my little mileage run last January, the girl at the desk didn't even notice that I'd been checked in to e
29 OA260 : Makes two of us. I highlighted it in my TR last Winter. The handling agents did not load the seat map in the system properly for about the 5th time t
30 Bramble : Agree here. FR have 17 bases only 2 of which are in Ireland (DUB/SNN .....do they have abase in belfast?) They have become more european than Irish.
31 Pe@rson : Isn't ORK in Ireland? Do you count BHD as Irish?
32 Post contains links Bramble : I only counted SNN and DUB. Didn't know they had a base in ORK. And wanted confirmation of BHD as a base. So that makes 3 or 4 then,depending on your
33 Gpbcroppers63 : Yeah I remember that. It was your TRs that inspired me to do my weekend trip to Thessaloniki. Incidentally, when did Swiss start offering those brill
34 Shamrock104 : Short answer no. Look at the board meeting yesterday, another farce, and all the 'secret' meetings going on between Mary Coughlan, Dept. of Whatever
35 BestWestern : Thats the fault of Swiss, as they have gone for money saving, rather than providing service. Because the staff are not trained, nor are they given th
36 Pe@rson : True. Interesting to look at how it's changed.[Edited 2008-09-20 10:13:35]
37 Gpbcroppers63 : I agree. I've had no end of trouble with not being able to view my Diamond Club account online. Every time I rang up, they'd promise to sort it and n
38 Oa260 : They started them around two years ago. LX DUB have applied for the fares again so fingers crossed. If they come out I will do a few round trips to s
39 Gpbcroppers63 : Oops. I don't think I worded my question correctly. What I meant was, when did they release the fares last year? I really should have thought more ab
40 Shamrock350 : It's not uncommon to hear of problems with staff who represent Aer Lingus and Ryanair at airports around Europe. There was a problem with Aer Lingus
41 Oa260 : Oh sorry I misunderstood. It was End November IIRC. If I hear anything I will post here anyway around that time. I was on the same flight as an Irish
42 Gpbcroppers63 : Nah no probs.Like I say, I don't think I worded the question very well. I believe it was me that was on the same flight as you. I got talking to anot
43 Post contains links and images Oa260 : Yeah I think it was too , I remember two guys chatting on the outbound and then again on the inbound. When I heard Thessaloniki it got my attention L
44 Shamrock350 : Quite good, simple but effective. Where were these, looks like they kind you'd find in Cara.
45 Oa260 : Yep Cara it was.. Quite good and simple as you say . Faro Jetx GX342 21-09-2008 14:00 Delayed 0020 And who on earth are KoralBlue airlines??
46 Post contains links Kaitak : http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...cy-landing-at-shannon-1479257.html USAF Beech 20 (do they mean Beech King Air?) made emergency landing at SNN a
47 Shamrock350 : Ouch! Charter between Europe and Egypt, only started flying in 2007 with A320s.
48 Gpbcroppers63 : That sounds good! Maybe we can organise something if the fares come on sale.
49 Oa260 : I know , I have visions of me sitting at DUB . Im going to monitor JetX all next week. Oh ok did they always fly into DUB? I never seen them on the b
50 BrianDromey : Careful! LX staff in ZRH are outsourced as well! I noticed that "SWISSPORT" was on their ID badges, I know it probably hails from the days when swiss
51 Shamrock321 : I work for an company who is outsourced by a handling agent, so when you come into contact with us in DUB you are neither speaing directly to the airl
52 Oa260 : Yes they still have the Swiss training AFAIK and I guess they have retained it even though LX/ Swissport are separate now. I would be very surprised
53 Shamrock104 : I've used them a few times and connect in BUD. Its been 2 years since I used them but AFAIK, its pretty much as it was then. Irish breakfast ex-DUB a
54 Shamrock350 : They were even doing it on Strictly Come Dancing, raised a few laughs but I doubt any former XL staff who may have been watching would have found it
55 BestWestern : SKY do a great job handling Czech airlines and Air france - Efficient, friendly, fast. Perhaps certain airlines are paying for the service passengers
56 BrianDromey : My experience with SHP did not leave a good impression, tbh. I would rate them in the same way as I rate the BD call centre. Good intentions, bad tra
57 BestWestern : At least Sky get you on the flight you want to be on, on the correct date. Have you ever tried to book a partner reward ticket online with BD, and be
58 Smokeyrosco : Correct, The thing about sky is they are the third busiest handler in the airport regarding amount of flights handled, at peak times (for sky not nec
59 NU : Totally agree with Parsebandit. I posted for a while here but my views were largely anti EI. It felt as if I had stumbled into an email chain and whi
60 Post contains links AirFinglas : Hi Guys Just in case it hasn't been mentioned already - the National Library of Ireland is running an interesting exhibition in the National Photograp
61 Post contains links BestWestern : Perhaps the "tread isnt inclusive" comments should be moved over to Non_aviation. I note that CityJet sponsored an event to "reawaken the great romanc
62 Shamrocka330 : Seriously NU your not welcome in this forum with posts like that, only "we love EI" posts are allowed! Only messing with you! However, I'm afraid I di
63 Pe@rson : When I've flown BACF into LCY there has been no "romance of flying" on that. How is CityJet different?
64 Pe@rson : That explains it all.
65 Post contains links Irish251 : KoralBlue is a replacement for the FGL Sharm-el-Sheikh service. Here it is at DUB last week: http://www.worldairpics.com/photo/10.../Airbus-A319-112/
66 BrianDromey : Me too. Easy for them when Paris is paying for the fuel the Avros are drinking like it's going out of fashion. Sounds very interesting. Pity I wont b
67 Bramble : Under WW all third party handling was dropped to allow EI to concnetrate on core business. I to think that EI could generate revenue from some third
68 Post contains images EI320 : Nice opening Kaitak! Regards all this recent bashing of the irish threads, I seriously don't see any problem with the topics being discussed. Yes, EI
69 Aer Lingus : They obviously want to get the most productivity out of their lawyers! If there's no work then why have them! Might as well put them to good use. wha
70 LUPOR1D : Its DAT of Scandinavia. I think it operated up to Copenhagen
71 Kaitak : I think that if you look at all of the other "national threads" - Turkish, Indian, New Zealand - the national carrier gets the most mention; sure, the
72 DavecFlyer : That looks like EI-CVB and if it was at about 17.10 then I was on that aircraft arriving from LHR on the EI167. If you look really closely you can se
73 Post contains links Irish251 : What do you mean does anyone know who they are? The web address on the side of the aircraft is a pretty good clue, I'd have thought... www.dat.dk The
74 Gosimeon : Well at least with XL and Futura going down the pan, we will get to see some interesting airlines visit filling in for them, which is cool. Hell yeah
75 Kaitak : Glad to hear it! April 2010 is the start date, according to the DAA. The T1 extension is due to open early next year. The new runway is still slated
76 Kaitak : Just being reported that an Omni DC10, en route to the US from the M/E had to make an emergency landing at SNN; carrying 270 US troops. Fire vehicles
77 Bramble : Noticed on two aircraft recently that they have the large circular dot of fresh green beside the door where the OneWorld sticker used to be. Even wit
78 Post contains links Irish251 : The term "emergency landing" is getting a lot of use these days. maybe the media are using this: http://radans.net/jens/planestory.html
79 Shamrock350 : Just found this Aer Lingus advert on YouTube: I like the "It's Better By Aer" slogan. Still looking for the "Look up" advert though. Thanks Irish251 S
80 NU : as one of the least cliqueish posters Bramble I agree. My view is that I will never fly FR again never mind speak about them. I also said my position
81 Post contains links OA260 : true , as I said before its a good time for spotters. Does anyone else think that it may be finished/opened early?? LOL.... I enjoy everyones posts a
82 F1eddie : " target=_blank>http://www.nli.ie/en/udlist/current-...c5d4a Brilliant. I wanted to go see that exhibition and i forgot where it was. Thats a great f
83 F1eddie : Are you sure there is??? Dont forget BX737 (i think thats the spelling). I was actually thinking to myself about my user name and how its nothing to
84 OA260 : I guess if we all decided to use airline names there would be a shortage lol... I presume yours is because you like Formula 1 ? Or am I totally wrong
85 F1eddie : Yeah you see i knew who you were talkiing about once you said the artwork but otherwise i may have had to go and check previous posts. I have an inte
86 Shamrock350 : Looks like an advert that was played in the UK as it advertises London to Dublin. I thought that fare might have been a bit low, you can get a fare l
87 F1eddie : Oh yeah good point. Well they may have had one seat at that price, and then the rest would have been the usual expensive ones. Also as you say it may
88 Oa260 : If I remember rightly EI used to have fares in T class at that low rate. Thats going back to 1993 when I was in London. Taxes were very low in those
89 Post contains images Shamrock350 : It must have been around the time Ryanair started stepping on their toes if the fare was actually that low. I remember when we first came to London in
90 EISHN : To the mods : this does concern Irish Aviation. I was at a book launching at the Ennis Bookstore Friday last (September 20th), for the book 'Nine Live
91 BestWestern : Can we please move on, or soon we may have a clique of non cliquey people. And in their hands our lives may one day be placed. Great post SHN.
92 BrianDromey : I just returned to Leeds via MAN this evening of EI 728, EI-DEG. We left stand 10 minutes early and arrived 15 minutes early. The crew were outstandin
93 COEI2007 : I do think it cant be very much like a clique on the Irish threads, but i dont think it is very hard to get into it! We talk a lot about EI because R
94 Bramble : She must have bugged the EI boardroom............. Should I even read it? Was thinking of you the other day,a couple where taking photos out the wind
95 Oa260 : LOL.... I would just refer you to your own pics
96 Bramble : Bugger.......caught rapid.
97 Shamrock350 : I don't think we'll see the A350 order being deferred, Aer Lingus should be confident enough to believe that they will be much stronger by 2014. It's
98 Post contains links EICVD : I read on www.ch-aviation.com a while back that FR were adding a weekly DUB-Cuneo route from Dec. 20th?Dont think was ever mentioned here. I guess thi
99 Oa260 : LOL.... yes at least I never take cockpit ones tut tut tut... I would if I could though lol... I like the ''Open Skies'' pic BTW. I wonder how they a
100 DavecFlyer : The Sata A310 was actually on their own flight. Koral Blue A319 SU-KBB was in again this afternoon. Another nice movement was Challenger 604 VH-ZZH a
101 Shamrock321 : m not sure thhe S4 was a FUA replacement, there summer programme is coming to an end this weekend, the FNC flight positioned back tonight with no PAX,
102 Oa260 : That would be worth driving down from Newry for. Does anyone know when the last Russian Jets last flew regular service into DUB? Was it SU's TU154's?
103 EICVD : I think Turin is the nearest major city to there. The last regular Russian jets I remember seeing in DUB where Hemus Air (could have been BH Air) TU-
104 Shamrock104 : From what I remember the last one they operated was the TU-134A, before the terminated the route in 1996/7 and closed their office on Dawson Street.
105 EISHN : I was on Dawson Street recently, and noticed that Malaysian Airlines has an office there! I wouldn't have thought that they got that much traffic out
106 Oa260 : Are you sure it was an actual office? There are a few offices in Dawson street but they are GSA's but with the airlines sign up. Olympic Airways used
107 Kaitak : Well, it has an MH sign outside; could be a GSA but I think it's an actual MH office; SIA and Korean have offices on Dawson St. as well. IB use to ha
108 LUPOR1D : The A310 was operating ex Futura flights, it was in Cork also The SATA Azores Madiera and Faro flights are both A320's
109 EI787 : I was in Maynooth the other day and noticed that the Malev offices are located in the Shopping Centre there!! I had to look twice! You'd think it'd b
110 Oa260 : I heard that they moved but that is the weirdest move ever !! Is Upper Merrion Street near Dawson Street??
111 EI320 : Thanks Yes that's EI-CVB landing, and it was around 5pm because EI-CRK on the ground was departing for JFK. If I'd known, I could have waved It's har
112 Irish251 : This would be for performance reasons. When wind is light even a marginal difference in crosswind component (and, if relevant, runway slope) can make
113 Bramble : Have seen this happen a few times. Based on winds they can sometimes switch quickly. I have seen 3 A330 take off in a row using alternate runways. EI
114 Neutral : Anyone know where the Turkish Airlines office is in Dublin I've seen the adds in the newspapers but can't remember the location Thanks,
115 EICVD : Thanks.
116 Post contains links Toulouse : So friend I have a bit of a personal dilemma, not related to aviation, so as I mentioned in previous thread I've started a thread in non-av about it.
117 AerLingus747 : Anybody know when its leaving,or is it gone.
118 Joost : James! You disappoint me... Isn't KIR in Ireland? By the way, they have 26 bases and 3 more to open this winter: Republic of Ireland: 4 UK: 9(+1) Spa
119 Kaitak : I'm in a very similar position, having been here in Jersey for nearly 12 years, but I'll reply to your thread on the other forum. And who was it carr
120 OA260 : The only time I ever got the chance was on a B737-400 ATH-LHR one night , I sat in the cockpit coming into LHR and it was amazing. I nearly had a cha
121 Toulouse : Thanks Kaitak I look forward to hearing from you, and from what I know of you (just reading you) I feel I will be very interested in your input. I th
122 BFSBHD : Was suppose to leave at 1610L for JFK. Flight number SDM9005. Don't know whether its actually left or not.
123 Post contains links Irish251 : Yes, it has gone. Picture here: http://www.worldairpics.com/photo/10...--Russian-State-Transport-Company/ and flight details here: http://flightaware
124 Oa260 : Oil has just rocketed to $126.50 a barrel
125 Kaitak : CNN now reporting it as $120; it's more a reflection of the weakness of the dollar, following the bailouts of banks than anything to do with oil prod
126 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Airlines do battle over Belfast-Heathrow route http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...elfastheathrow-route-13980299.html Aer Lingus is being very aggr
127 Bramble : Good lord! This seems very un-EI like. They aren't this aggressive up against FR. Would have liked to get a shot of the that IL-96,or even just hear
128 Oa260 : Good for them , 11 routes its quite good if they can make them work. Wouldnt want to get on the wrong side of Brenda though LOL..... she has been wit
129 Tonymctigue : I love the IL 96. One of the most beautiful aircraft around. I even have one of them as the desktop background on my PC at the moment. Would love to
130 Post contains links OA260 : Tuesday, September 23, 2008 Ryanair plans for long-haul flights on hold By Stephen Rogers RYANAIR’S chief financial officer has said plans for the a
131 Sawtooth : I've always thought that was MOLs plan for Aer Lingus, it made sense to buy in the new long-haul arm "O'Leary Air" on the cheap, with an established w
132 JWMD123 : Whatever is happening in Europe with regard to consolidation, I still don't think the EU will allow FR to take over EI. We are an island nation, and
133 Toulouse : I totally disagree with you. MOL is a good business man, yet I personnally think he starting to go a bit mad, but do you honestly think that if he ha
134 BrianDromey : I always thought this was going to be the scenario as well. EI might be retained for a few "high-cost" airports like FRA and LHR, but other than that
135 Sawtooth : I understand the competition worries, and I'm no lover of everything Ryanair do. But the point I wanted to make was that though strong now, both airli
136 Toulouse : That is a valid point, but... I totally agree with what you say above, and that will be the scenario a few years down the road (we hope...)
137 EI787 : You can now book flights (departing on or after Nov. 1st) with UA using your EI Gold Circle Points. Gold Circle Members will also be able to earn poin
138 F1eddie : Well if this happens i would say, unless LHR is extremely profitable for EI, those slots would be sold off and they would have left irsh ownership fo
139 JWMD123 : I remember when the idea was first floated and MO'L said that while he could probably offer €10 seats at the back, it would be up the front of the
140 F1eddie : But do you think people would fly business class on ryan atlantic??? Im not sure they would! I know i would choose an american carrier over them, spe
141 Legoguy : Just incase anybody is interested, the Red Arrows are flying to Belfast City Airport on the 4th October as part of the Shorts Bombardier Family Day 20
142 JWMD123 : That is going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome. There is a perception in the market out there about FR. They market how low their fares are so pe
143 EICVD : That would be a nice spectacle. I remember seeing them on the ground in DUB one late May day back 05.
144 Gosimeon : I think that there is a lack of confidence in the whole idea from Ryanair too, hence they are dragging their heels on it a lot and can't seem to actu
145 EICVD : There was a thread on that a few months ago. Was an error on the EY website. All there flights were loaded as being operated with the 777-300ER.
146 OA260 : Yes where as its a 332 and not a 777.
147 Bramble : Wasn't this the theory discussed here before. Use FR for short haul European routes. Close the EI european network and operate solely as a low cost l
148 ClassicLover : It is. I wouldn't base the airline industry on what happened before with other industries. Why? Well, if you read the latest bunch of press releases
149 Shamrock350 : It's a case of if you believe him or not. One of the biggest fears is that Aer Lingus will just disappear and with MOL in charge it could be all too
150 Irish251 : Astraeus B757 G-OJIB with Irish troops.
151 Post contains links Sawtooth : I believe it was carrying troops returning from Chad yesterday: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2008/0923/1222105123931.html Speaking of
152 Kaitak : Doesn't Arkia have a regular once weekly flight to TLV during the Summer? It had last year, anyway.
153 Oa260 : I would guess a pilgrimage tour.
154 Gosimeon : Obviously carrying pax from NOC and not the other way around... Does NOC get many tourists, charters coming in on pilgrimages?
155 ClassicLover : Sure, and I believe him. However, I come from the Australian school where everyone in Australia moaned and moaned and were upset and quite frankly ha
156 Legoguy : I believe they are due in to Belfast at 9am and then the display is at 11am. Also the Queen Elizabeth 2 is due in to the docks opposite the airport a
157 Bramble : Thanks for that.
158 BrianDromey : Im just watching the Air Crash Investigation programmed covering the crash of AI0182, which was blown up off the coast of Cork. Much of the film is sh
159 AmricanShamrok : I'd say you're thinking of Dublin-Tel Aviv.
160 EI564 : The question I ask is what does FR get out of it. Does it really need little old EI to take over the world? It has done a good job taking over Europe
161 ClassicLover : I would imagine that the Aer Lingus brand has a lot more cachet throughout the USA than Ryanair for a start. Next up, Ryanair is synonymous with chea
162 Shamrock350 : MO'L wants any successful long-haul low cost airline to be associated with him, it's always been his airline and nothing to do with Ryanair so I doub
163 Styles9002 : Coca-Cola is an established world brand , Aer Lingus is not an established world brand.
164 Toulouse :
165 Shamrock350 : Just booked LTN-SNN with Ryanair for tomorrow, had to rush back to Ireland at short notice and this was the cheapest option but really it was the best
166 Oa260 : LOL..... and unlike Coca Cola Aer Lingus does not rot your teeth
167 EI564 : Honestly, outside of the cities EI flies to (which are major cities admittedly) and the core Irish element in the US, i'm not sure how well known EI
168 Post contains links Oa260 : Pair escape after plane veers off runway By Anne Lucey Wednesday September 24 2008 An investigation was under way yesterday into why a light aircraft
169 Oa260 : Comment from EI today ::: Margaret Shannon (Head of Sales Europe, Aer Lingus) "Our loads are on par with our budgets. Obviously with the price of oil
170 Post contains links and images Kaitak : Interesting and surprisingly upbeat given that you would expect an airline that wants to cut as heavily as EI does to be playing the "beal bocht" wit
171 ClassicLover : Funnily enough I read an article today that Qantas took advantage of the quick drop to hedge some more and now they're 90% hedged at something like $
172 Kaitak : Got my Irish Air Letter in the post today; a few interesting points: - New A330, for delivery in February, will be MSN 985 and will be EI-EAV. Next, N
173 Oa260 : Amazing pic for two reasons. Twin Towers and EI B747. Good move . I'm just watching RTE2 they have a documentary on the Helios accident . Actually it
174 Smokeyrosco : If they ever do a retro livery, thats the one I want to see.
175 Post contains links and images Irish251 : That has to be EI-ASJ, as 'ASI was on lease to Air Siam till April 1977 and on return it was immediately painted into the new EI livery. View Large V
176 Oa260 : It reminds me a bit like Sabena/BOAC livery. Would be nice to go back to those days and take a trip on that.
177 Kaitak : It certainly would be; if memory serves me correctly, it operated a route from BKK-HKG-HNL-LAX ... and it was a wet lease. No doubt EI didn't have a p
178 AmricanShamrok : Oh so the GWY-WAT-AMS flights will be operated with ATRs? I watched it too, 'twas good enough...
179 EICVD : I think it was a summer only service.
180 Irish251 : No, it is apparently to be continued through the winter with ATRs.
181 Sawtooth : Timetable shows just GWY - AMS continuing 4 times week for winter, GWY/WAT - FAO, AGP & BOD finishing this month.
182 Post contains links OA260 : Shannon carries out plane crash exercise A MAJOR exercise testing the combined response of emergency services to an aviation disaster at Shannon Airpo
183 EIEGAA : Whilst driving past BHD on my way to work this morning I notice an FR bird parked at the terminal. It was painted in a strange livery, very similar to
184 JWMD123 : Good news for SNN
185 Sawtooth : I think all new deliveries leave Boeing with the standard livery customised with the airline logo. So probably just arrived before heading to the pai
186 Sawtooth : Also adding 6th aircraft at Shannon. Odd, isn't that going to cut into KIR- HHN? SNN-EMA being cut (shortly after Cork), reduced LTN, extra services
187 Kaitak : No, I think that was EI-DCL, which has been in the fleet a few years. A few other carriers, notably Alaska and China Airlines, have their aircraft in
188 Post contains links and images Kaitak : Sorry, can't edit my last post, but here's EI-DCL View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter Tonna
189 Post contains links and images Shamrocka330 : The Ryanair aircraft you saw was EI-DCL which was delivered in September 2004 with the Boeing Dreamliner colours. There are thousands of photos in the
190 EIEGAA : Yes that's the livery. Why haven't they painted it to the usual FR colours? Are Boeing paying them to promote the 787?
191 JWMD123 : FR have also said that they will be reducing frequency on it SNN-LTN route. Did that not increase this in the wake of EI cutting SNN-LHR as part of th
192 Shamrock604 : I think we have a new contender for the route that has been most instated, then cut, then reinstated, then cut, then....... you get the picture.... an
193 Post contains links OA260 : Well lads its official !! Anyone want to add their comments and what it means for Ireland here is the link :: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...m
194 Bramble : Strrnge claim by EI.......but nice of them to deliver good news!!!!!!!!!!!1 Think it was a special aircraft....i.e 500th B737-800 or the 100th to FR.
195 EI320 : Good to see additional growth on short-haul from SNN. I have my doubts about HHN though, it has been tried before and has failed and with 4 weekly de
196 AmricanShamrok : I saw an RE ad in the paper showing a GWY-WAT-AMS routing on their "map" Class livery. Either the KIR-HHN or SNN-HHN will suffer so. Thats what led t
197 Post contains links Kaitak : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...0925/ Don't want to talk about it at length here; the really annoying thing is that it's going
198 BrianDromey : I think Ireland was hit hard and early because we rely so heavily on US corporations, particularly in the financial services industry. Of course cons
199 Shamrock321 : For anyone whos interested AA105 LHR-JFK divereted to DUB today it was a 777-200 it was amazing to see it take off from 10! Anyone know why it was div
200 LUPOR1D : Medical emergency
201 Post contains links OA260 : Air traffic chaos after UK glitch Friday September 26 2008 HUNDREDS of Irish air passengers suffered travel chaos last night after a computer fault at
202 JWMD123 : I think this is a very good move by EI. Sound out the unions to test what their feelings are towards proposals and revert back to the board. Fingers
203 JWMD123 : Anybody any further info on the below. Seems strange the pilot turned back and did not divert. Would it not have been quicker to carry on to AGP inste
204 OA260 : One of my mates said he thought it was something to do with the fighter jets which caused two large bangs over AGP and it was reported early that it
205 ABC9 : Just heard on the radio that it was due to an engine warning light and whatever it indicated the captain's thoughts were that they would be able to l
206 Bramble : Losing EUR15M of the awrchest seems pretty small compared to other carriers. Smart of them to talk to the unions, and hence the staff, rather than le
207 ThrottleHold : 90 mins in would be around the ETP, depending on winds. Consider this scenario: En-route there is a technical fault that is not major, eg an Engine A
208 Post contains links Sawtooth : Some snippets from the western frontier: MOL commented at Shannon route launch yesterday that losses at the airport were "not insignificant" and that
209 Bramble : Continuing to AGP would have left the aircraft in an AOG situation. EI have basic maintenance availible to them at AGP. EI would prefer to have the a
210 AmricanShamrok : An intersting list. Belfast International is at no. 70 and Shannon is 91st.
211 Shamrock350 : Afternoon everyone. I'm back in Ireland for the weekend and had the pleasure of flying Ryanair from Luton to Shannon. The flight itself was fine, it w
212 ClassicLover : Pardon? Looks like EUR215 million to me.
213 Bramble : You know what...........it is indeed 215M. Thats waht I get for quickly scanning a load of posts...............well 215M is somewha more substanstial
214 Smokeyrosco : I wouldn't blame them I don't see how EI could lose 215m this year, and even if they do not all of that and actually as little as possible is taken o
215 Pe@rson : I was at the World Low Cost Airline Congress earlier this week and listed to Howard Miller. He quickly acknowledged that Ryanair had cocked up its fue
216 Kaitak : What kind of aircraft was this? I had assumed it was a 330, but perhaps not; if so, it would probably mess up the subsequent t/a schedule.
217 Oa260 : If it had 300 passengers onboard it couldnt be anything else , unless EI have added that many seats to an A321 LOL.....
218 ClassicLover : Why can't you see why they can lose €215m? I think it's very easy in this climate, especially with the winter downturn coming. ... Michael O'Leary
219 Pe@rson : No excuse for admitting that you were wrong?
220 ClassicLover : lol... no excuse for not hedging fuel and thinking Ryanair were somehow invincible to fuel costs
221 EIRules : Hey 2 quick questions guys. Does US to PHL pre-clear in DUB? And can you earn Star Alliance miles for BD Diamond Club with TK? There is no mention of
222 Oa260 : No not unless its changed in the last few weeks. Yes full members of Star Alliance and earn miles.
223 EI320 : I'm trying to plan a little trip for December and I think I might try LX, I've never flown them before and I've heard good reports about them on here,
224 BrianDromey : When I flew to BOS in June the PHL flight departed from the gate next to mine, in the pre-clearance area. You should do, as TK are a *A member airlin
225 Oa260 : Should be out in 4 weeks and around EUR260 return.
226 CallBell : All 109 pax were acommodated on the 111 as far as i know... Which is good for them as they got to NYC at least on the same day... doesnt say much for
227 Aer Lingus : I don't know if you misread (and mixed up number of pax with the flight number!) this somewhere or personally witnessed it but is that all one hundre
228 Post contains links EI320 : Looks like Ryanair are set to go ahead with their long-haul plans, with or without the help of EI: Ryanair planning new low-cost transatlantic airline
229 CallBell : All pax on the 109 were accomodated on the 111. Sorry for the confusion.
230 Bramble : While I have no doubt that the plans for this airline are in place and quite detailed I think this is just another 'filler' piece by the Indo. No new
231 Smokeyrosco : Sorry I wasn't clear, I wasn't saying I can't see them losing that money, I mean I don't see them loosing all that money from their cash reserves....
232 Bramble : EI don't want to use their cash reserves. They say it is being 'held to fund further expansion'. This is why they want 100M savings on operating cost
233 Al2637 : Well fuel hedging is simply a bet, we can all say now that they should have hedged, but at the time none of us knew what way oil was going to go....
234 Dstc47 : Not necessarily, the pricing of the hedge is much more akin to a bookmaker offering prices on a number of horses in a race. Once the overall position
235 ClassicLover : Not to rain on your parade, but Ryanair had no hedging whatsoever, when every other airline worth its salt has a percentage of their fuel costs hedge
236 BrianDromey : FR got it wrong. No one argues with that, not even the company themselves. What interests me is the kind of information/speculation/ego/whatever, the
237 OA260 : Here in DUB airport. Quite busy but no real ques. Check in with SHP LX Business class counter was fine. Bags thru checked all the way. I noticed that
238 EIEGAA : Just booked a flight for 4 people to JFK and back to Dublin (2 one-way flights). I've been sent the email confirmation for all flights but my Gold Cir
239 Shamrock350 : Work on the actual terminal building has probably slowed so work can be moved to constructing the pier. I haven't seen it in person so it may be ther
240 ClassicLover : I would call EI to ensure your Gold Circle number went in correctly. Also, you will only get Gold Circle points for your reservation. Points are only
241 COEI2007 : Just flew DUB-LAX-LAS with EI and United/Ted. Checking in for my LAX-LAS flight in LAX was an experience. I dont think one of the UA staff smiled or e
242 Post contains images OA260 : Oh ok , whats the structure being built in the middle of the air field ? Is it remote stands? As we took off from DUB there were alot of plane spotte
243 BrianDromey : I THINK the TED teardown begins with the winter schedule. This was yet more proof that LCC's within an airline do not work. Go worked, but that was a
244 Aer Lingus : you thinking of Pier E perhaps? its the boarding gates for T2.
245 ClassicLover : If you go to the USA EI site, you can purchase Premier Class tickets on JFK-DUB for $715 each way. That's less than €1,000 return. I wish they'd hav
246 Shamrock104 : Me too. I had a look at this, the fare is based on round-trip travel, otherwise it could have been handy for those of us based this side of the atlan
247 Gosimeon : Booked a FR flight to Liverpool and back with a few friends, going to just check out the city for the day. Total cost for the three of us to fly there
248 Aer Lingus : Thats an interesting number! Start making your way home again!
249 Post contains links OA260 : LOL .... what in the European city of culture Drive to unionise 'exploited workers' at airport By Colin Bartley Monday September 29 2008 NON-unionise
250 Shamrock350 : Just back from my long weekend in Ireland, Ryanair were fine on the way but not so good coming back today. The aircraft (EI-DHP) was filthy and most o
251 COEI2007 : Latest rumor i've heard from a few people is SFO will be dropped from the end of March at the start of the summer schedule. Having said that, i still
252 Smokeyrosco : Would anyone consider flying flyglobespan to YVR next year? I'm looking options for June although BA have some pretty good deals at the moment through
253 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : Coincidentally http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4160500/
254 Kaitak : Not a chance! BA via LHR or AC via YYZ (bearing in mind that they'll have 763s next Summer). That would be a surprise; I always thought that SFO was
255 Post contains links Kaitak : No 36/08 is now reading for boarding ... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4161363/
256 Humberside : I know the next thread has begun but just to answer a question One stop through YYC next year. Was MAN-DUB-YVR this year[Edited 2008-09-29 14:19:51]
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