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CO 764 In HKG?  
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

What's the reason for this? Emergency? Equipment substitution? How is this even within the usuable range of this aircraft?

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User currently offlineCO 757-300 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

CO Micronesia?
maybe a charter by them?


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

CO has maintenance on its 767s done by HAECO doesn't it? So it's probably a maintenance flight.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Yes MX then it can Ferry to GUM to rejoin the system...

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6990 times:
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CO sends the 762/764/777 to HKG as referenced in the above post. You will see some interesting routes getting the equipment there, including some fun surprises for passengers boarding a flight to HNL on a 777. I believe last year there were several times where a 777 did a routing of EWR-HNL-GUM in passenger service, then ferried onwards.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Both Delta and Continental send their B763/B764s here for MX.


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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

I've always wondered why their MX is outsourced to such a far destination and not done in the US. Is it that much cheaper to fly those aircraft back and forth from HKG than to do it in the US?

UAL


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Ship 154, a 767-200ER left HKG yesterday, flew to HNL and is currently headed to EWR, where it will operate CO18 to LHR today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...1/history/20080922/0359Z/PHNL/KEWR


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6812 times:
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Quoting Ual747 (Reply 6):
I've always wondered why their MX is outsourced to such a far destination and not done in the US. Is it that much cheaper to fly those aircraft back and forth from HKG than to do it in the US?

I think the short answer is yes, more so for CO than DL as CO rotates most of their wide bodies through the Pacific and thus can produce revenue on their way to/from HKG.

My question is what deciding factors go in to the decision to simply ferry the aircraft - such as the 762 noted above that flew HKG-HNL-EWR - rather than fly it to GUM and start revenue service.



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

A different 762 arrived the day before yesterday into HKG from HNL, swapping for the other 762 which left yesterday.

There is also a Delta 764 at Haeco at the moment. UPS also have their 767s come through here.


User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6359 times:



Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 8):
My question is what deciding factors go in to the decision to simply ferry the aircraft - such as the 762 noted above that flew HKG-HNL-EWR - rather than fly it to GUM and start revenue service

They may not have the traffic right to HKG-HNL


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

CO flies GUM-HKG-GUM, so when they fly those B767 to HKG most likely CO don't ferry the aircraft but use it for the actual CO GUM-HKG-GUM flights.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
CO flies GUM-HKG-GUM

No longer. It was Continental Mic anyway.

[Edited 2008-09-22 10:15:52]


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5637 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
CO flies GUM-HKG-GUM, so when they fly those B767 to HKG most likely CO don't ferry the aircraft but use it for the actual CO GUM-HKG-GUM flights.

I know that CS usually operates this route on a 738, but I read recently that they will be ending the GUM-HKG-GUM flight. Can anyone verify this?



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User currently offlineJgarrido From Guam, joined Mar 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5417 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 13):
I know that CS usually operates this route on a 738, but I read recently that they will be ending the GUM-HKG-GUM flight. Can anyone verify this?

Yep, they killed it. I don't remember when exactly but or some reason June sticks out in my mind.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5342 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
No longer. It was Continental Mic anyway.

Strange CO would drop GUM-HKG, specially when GUM does have open skies with China.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3146 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
CO flies GUM-HKG-GUM, so when they fly those B767 to HKG most likely CO don't ferry the aircraft but use it for the actual CO GUM-HKG-GUM flights.

Actually they always ferried the 767s. Never once did they operate the CS909/910 flight which has always been a 738.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3127 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
CO flies GUM-HKG-GUM, so when they fly those B767 to HKG most likely CO don't ferry the aircraft but use it for the actual CO GUM-HKG-GUM flights.

I doubt it. That would mean no aircraft to operate the return flight that day.


User currently offlineJgarrido From Guam, joined Mar 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3049 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
Strange CO would drop GUM-HKG, specially when GUM does have open skies with China.

Really? That doesn't sound right. The US uses cabotage laws to keep PAL from transporting pax between the mainland US and GUM. Seems strange then that Guam could have open skys with china when the federal government doesn't.

When CO announced it making cuts I was hoping they would keep the HKG flight at least once a week. However, One problem with the flight was that got in HKG at like 10pm and the return leg left about an hour later and got into GUM at like 4am.  tired 


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

HKG and DPS Flights to GUM are Cut Mid Jul and 2 Oct as well as MNL-SPN and NGO-HNL
already gone to to fuel costs and low demand


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2439 times:



Quoting Ual747 (Reply 6):
Is it that much cheaper to fly those aircraft back and forth from HKG than to do it in the US?

My best guess would be yes, as someone stated already, CO does have large Pacific ops. Even DL used to have maintenance for their B767 done by ACE aviation in YVR, but since the Canadian dollar became so strong, they moved it to HAECO. So if DL does this tactic as well, I think CO has a good economic reason to do the same as well.



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User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2310 times:



Quoting Jgarrido (Reply 18):
However, One problem with the flight was that got in HKG at like 10pm and the return leg left about an hour later and got into GUM at like 4am.

This is actually quite normal for many flights out and back to GUM, as CO1 arrives from HNL around 5p local, and then departs as CO2 back to HNL at 6a local. The large arrival group between 4a and 5a allows connections to HNL and of course from there IAH, EWR, LAX, et al. I've done that many times going to/from CNS.



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

If there is anyone in KBGR there is a CO 767-400 N76054 sitting there getting an unscheduled engine change. It diverted there on the 21st enroute to Milan.

I don't know if there was another thread on this or not.

[Edited 2008-09-23 10:12:43]

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2178 times:
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Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 22):
If there is anyone in KBGR there is a CO 757-400 N76054 sitting there getting an unscheduled engine change. It diverted there on the 21st enroute to Milan.

You might want to upgrade your equipment to 767-400 ADXMatt, though a 754 would be REALLY long!



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2169 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 22):
If there is anyone in KBGR there is a CO 757-400 N76054 sitting there getting an unscheduled engine change. It diverted there on the 21st enroute to Milan.

I can tell you a 757 was ferried up to get the crew/passengers and bring them back to EWR.



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25 ADXMatt : Typo.... oopps My Bad.
26 Post contains links Mbm3 : Perhaps a 762: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20080922/0503Z/KEWR/KBGR[Edited 2008-09-23 10:23:00]
27 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : It was ship 107, a 752. Looking at the crew pairing now. Here is the return info. Seems to be a mistake on the part of flightaware. http://flightawar
28 Mbm3 : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...A1941 I stand correct - flightaware must have been confused as that flight number was used for
29 EWRCabincrew : CO9980 was the flight number assigned for the EWR-BGR segment. Flightaware apparently had the glitch.
30 Par13del : It probably was the case when oil was much cheaper, however, there is now a caveat. Since the work was out-sourced when fuel was cheaper, what happen
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