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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

I was thinking after reading that DL/NW got FAA approval to combine operations what would happen at SAN. Both NW and DL are in terminal 2 but are a distance apart. Do you think that NW will move down to where DL currently is after the terminal 2 expansion? To me that area of terminal 2 is very nice and calm compared to terminal 1. So how will they be meshed together, any word yet?

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Im sure the airports for just about every place are putting in gate movement plans.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Right now, NW could move everything into the current DL op's area (ticket counter, gates, as well, I assume, as all back-office space) and nobody would notice anything: the winter schedule for NW is a whopping 4 SAN departures (3x MSP and 1 DTW per day.) DL generally uses gates 37 thru 41 (not exclusively) and their current schedule is about 13 daily flights ("about" since I gave up trying to figure out how many SLC flights there actually are each day); the combined op's of both cx would therefore be 18 flights tops (in the winter) and there are more than enough gates in T2W to handle that schedule.

And this summer, DL ran about 16 flights from Lindbergh Field and NW was up to 7 so even during peak season, 23 flights or so should be completely doable at the existing "DL" gates. (And that assumes there will be no consolidation of flights resulting in even fewer frequencies once the two operations are combined...)

The big question in my mind is whether there will still BE a terminal-expansion at SAN. In any case, there is little doubt that NW op's will be consolidated with DL in T2W, using the gates out at the end of the T2W concourse.

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

I agree that it is possible that NW might stay right where it is, and that it is also possible that operations could be consolidated at the end of T2 West. Whatever happens, they'll be in the same terminal, and although a tiny bit of a walk, it won't be difficult if passengers need to shuffle between them.

Maybe CO can switch gates with NW, which would put NW closer to DL. Of course, logically now CO should be moving to T1 with their switch to Star Alliance, but US hasn't moved over their either, so...

I'm trying to remember what happened at SAN the last time there was a merger...US was in T1 and HP was in T2. I know the combined carrier is still at the closest gates to baggage claim in Terminal 2, but do they do all their flights from those two gates? Didn't Alaska get the extra Terminal 1 gates?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2258 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
I agree that it is possible that NW might stay right where it is, and that it is also possible that operations could be consolidated at the end of T2 West. Whatever happens, they'll be in the same terminal, and although a tiny bit of a walk, it won't be difficult if passengers need to shuffle between them.

Good evening, S. Unless there has been a move that I'm not aware of (and lord knows we can't rely on the Terminal maps at SAN.org -- you know, the ones that still show Skybus, Aloha, and Zoom in T2...) isn't NW in T2E and DL in T2W? That's quite a trip between the 2 counters and I'm sure they wouldn't keep using gates 22-26 (NW's current gates) so I don't see why they'd keep or need the current NW counter for anything.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
Maybe CO can switch gates with NW, which would put NW closer to DL. Of course, logically now CO should be moving to T1 with their switch to Star Alliance, but US hasn't moved over their either, so...

CO won't be moving to T1; if anything, the effort will be to remove cx from T1 in order for WN to expand. I would expect one of these days AS will be relocated to T2 (maybe they will go into the current NW ticket counter once it's empty?) where they can have 2 or possibly even 3 gates (as they have now in T1) although I sure can't see why they want 3 gates for their 11 or 12 flights. Then those 3 gates in T1W could be re-assigned to WN and maybe even 1 to AC (if they really want one anymore.)

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
I'm trying to remember what happened at SAN the last time there was a merger...US was in T1 and HP was in T2. I know the combined carrier is still at the closest gates to baggage claim in Terminal 2, but do they do all their flights from those two gates? Didn't Alaska get the extra Terminal 1 gates?

You're right. US uses primarily 33 and 34 and, I think, 37 when necessary. If I have my timing right, the last move was when F9 and YX moved from T1 (and gate 18) over to T2E (and gate 28) and AS picked up 18 as their 3rd gate.

IF the T2W terminal buildout happens, I expect UA will be moved there from T1 and WN would then pretty much have all of T1 to themselves (if they still want/need all 18 gates.) And who knows, maybe some day we will see a new international flag flying in and out of SAN!

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User currently offlineSdexplorer00 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

NW will move over to Delta's ticket counter area with some possible expansion. A proposal to relocate kiosks from the ticket counter positions to the lobby area and expand them is with the airport. Also the goal is to add exclusive use of gate 38 and preferably also 37 to Delta. SAN will be one of the early airports for combination because both above wing and below wing operations of NW are contracted.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Since SAN is the ultimate O&D airport (I don't care what the stats show about LAX - SAN has to have a much lower % of people changing planes!!), a gate and counter shuffle isn't going to be that bad...especially since NW and DL are already both in Terminal Two.

IF and when T2 West gets the final build out (and how many gates are going in there anyway?), get UA - if it still exists at that time - over to those gates. That'll have CO and US nearby. Let WN have T1 all to itself (with maybe a couple of exceptions). Shuffle a few gates around and everybody will be set.

I think it'll be the smoothest transition SAN has seen.



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1771 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
You're right. US uses primarily 33 and 34 and, I think, 37 when necessary.

They use 37 regularly, and also 21 (last night, for example, US192 from PHX went into 21). Not sure if that's regular or not, but it seems like I see a US flight in that alley pretty often.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
Of course, logically now CO should be moving to T1 with their switch to Star Alliance, but US hasn't moved over their either, so...

I don't see much need for alliances to be together, at least from a passenger perspective. Since I can't imagine many people (outside of WN) are connecting at SAN, it doesn't really matter if alliance partners are in the same terminal or not. Of course, there may be other reasons that it would be beneficial, for example, if one alliance partner was handling another's flights.


User currently offlineB737100 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Do the NW psgr svc agents that lost their jobs after the station was outsourced have recall rights? Will the ramp be insourced with the combined operation?


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