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Eastern At Titusville/Cocoa Beach, FLA  
User currently offlineTdubjfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

I'm very curious about Eastern's service at this small Florida airport. I have an EA 1972 System Timetable that shows an early A.M. routing .. MIA-TIX (Titusville)-MLB-ATL and a late evening return ATL-MLB-TIX-MIA.

It's interesting to note that the above routes were the only services in to that station -- nothing mid-day ... jusst an early AM and late PM .. (how very 70s!).

In addition, MLB is SO close to the Titusville/Cocoa area -- I'm assuming, though, that the TIX service was there for the NASA traffic.

I'm mostly curious what type of aircraft was used, as the EA timetable did not show aircraft types.

As a side note, I was just in the Cocoa Beach area this past week for the first time and I absolutely loved it. Beautiful beach, cool resorty type town!

Anyone else remember this kinda oddball station in EA's network?

-TDubJFK

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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

I know the old airport director at TIX, although he was too young to have worked there during that route. Eastern had a very large operation at DAB, just about 30 miles up the road in the early 80s, with up to 40 flights a day at times I hear.

Anyway the former director told me that they used 727s to TIX, but I think it was a stop on the way like ATL-JAX-TIX-MCO or something like that. Of course they would have used air stairs because TIX just has a small box for a terminal with no gates.


User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5902 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 1):
Anyway the former director told me that they used 727s to TIX, but I think it was a stop on the way like ATL-JAX-TIX-MCO

Wow -- 727s? Amazing.. Some of those 60's/70's multi-stop routes are absolutely fascinating ,.. thanks much for the info!


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

My first flight was on a National Airlines jet from TiCo to Tampa around that time.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Wow...quite interesting to think about.

I've x/c'd into there a few times, usually for the yearly Warbird Airshow, and I can't really think of where a 727 would have gone...then again the FBO does look like a small airline terminal, but read: small.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

I worked for EAL and remember the 727s into Tico.

User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5844 times:



Quoting Thorny (Reply 3):
My first flight was on a National Airlines jet from TiCo to Tampa around that time.

Now I'm really surprised -- NA flew into TIX too?

(BTW, I love the name TiCo ... LOL!)


User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Hey TDub:

I too, share your enthusiasm and fascination for big mainline jets serving small town airports, especially during the 1970's. I am at the library at Embry Riddle and your posting compelled me to go pull an old OAG (Official Airline Guide) off the shelf and look it up.

Eastern operated a B 727-100, flt 127 on a PHL-ATL-MCO-TIX routing. Flt 588 operated
TIX-MCO-ATL-RDU-RIC. It looks as if the Whisperjet sat on the ground at TIX for about 36 minutes.

F.Y.I. The schedule I just referenced comes from the May 1972 OAG.



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User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

To me the most interesting route that EAL flew in Florida, was flight 678,

It was a Lockheed Electra that flew MIA-VRB-OCF-GNV-JAX-DCA.

Miami- Vero-Beach- Ocala- Gainesville=Jacksonville- DC.


It was one of those essential service routes as a I recall, to provide service to small communities. It would pick up a fee passengers in each spot in Florida.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5740 times:



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
I've x/c'd into there a few times, usually for the yearly Warbird Airshow, and I can't really think of where a 727 would have gone...then again the FBO does look like a small airline terminal, but read: small.

That is exactly where it went

Occassionally commercial jets still fly there on charters - for either NASA related or even cruise related and use that FBO.

I believe Lakeland (LAL) also got commercial service from National or Eastern in late 70s/80s


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5718 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 1):
DAB, just about 30 miles up the road in the early 80s, with up to 40 flights a day at times I hear.

does DAB even get half as many pax flights these days?

Quoting Kellmark (Reply 8):
MIA-VRB-OCF-GNV-JAX-DCA.

Must have been a lot of fun

What's crossing my mind right now is if we've seen that much progress in civil aviation or actually regressed


User currently offlinePeachAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5661 times:



Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 7):
I too, share your enthusiasm and fascination for big mainline jets serving small town airports, especially during the 1970's. I am at the library at Embry Riddle and your posting compelled me to go pull an old OAG (Official Airline Guide) off the shelf and look it up.

Is there a website where you can view old OAG's such as the 1972 version you are referring to?? Maybe some brave sole converted it electronically?


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5589 times:



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
I've x/c'd into there a few times, usually for the yearly Warbird Airshow, and I can't really think of where a 727 would have gone...then again the FBO does look like a small airline terminal, but read: small.

I'd probably assume the 727 just pulled off the runway, dropped the stairs, maybe grabbed some fuel, and was off.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Neither EA or NA are showing any service into TIX as late as 1966, although both had served MLB for years. I am thinking EA must have picked it up as part of some route award within the state-------- perhaps during all the route activity during 1969?


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5478 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
does DAB even get half as many pax flights these days?

Probably not even a quarter. While DAB was getting the 40 Eastern flights, they were also getting flights from National and United amongst various other carriers too. There are old pics online on United, National and Air Canada DC-8s about that time. I think during the 70s, early 80s DAB got pretty much all of Eastern's fleet types at the time. Up until the early 1980s DAB was busier than MCO.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5394 times:



Quoting PeachAir (Reply 11):
Is there a website where you can view old OAG's such as the 1972 version you are referring to?? Maybe some brave sole converted it electronically?

Yes. Try departedflights.com. They even have complete copies of old timetables that were scanned. By far, it's the best aviation history website I've ever seen. N702ML runs it.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5361 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 15):
Yes. Try departedflights.com. They even have complete copies of old timetables that were scanned. By far, it's the best aviation history website I've ever seen. N702ML runs it.

Thanks but aren't these airliners.net photos on the front page?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5352 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 16):
Thanks but aren't these airliners.net photos on the front page?

Yes, but I know of no other site that actually scans the timetables and presents them to you. He also has breakdowns of defunct hubs, like PIT, BNA, RDU, and MCI.



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5327 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 6):
Now I'm really surprised -- NA flew into TIX too?

(BTW, I love the name TiCo ... LOL!)

I'm 90% sure, but I was about 7 or 8 at the time. My Aunt took my brother and sisters and I on a short flight so that we could say that we've flown on a plane. I definitely remember going to TiCo and I definitely remember having a lot of National Airlines souvenirs and what-not, but I might be confusing two seperate events.

Space Center Executive was always Titusville-Cocoa or TiCo Airport when I was a kid.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5324 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
Yes, but I know of no other site that actually scans the timetables and presents them to you. He also has breakdowns of defunct hubs, like PIT, BNA, RDU, and MCI.

Very nice presentation.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6501 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5312 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 1):
Eastern had a very large operation at DAB, just about 30 miles up the road in the early 80s, with up to 40 flights a day at times I hear.



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
does DAB even get half as many pax flights these days?



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
Probably not even a quarter. While DAB was getting the 40 Eastern flights, they were also getting flights from National and United amongst various other carriers too. There are old pics online on United, National and Air Canada DC-8s about that time. I think during the 70s, early 80s DAB got pretty much all of Eastern's fleet types at the time. Up until the early 1980s DAB was busier than MCO.

I've been an Eastern fan for 35 years or so and have seen many of their timetables from the era. I do not recall EA having that many into DAB. It was more like 13-15 flights. Unless you're counting 40 as 20 in and 20 out. They did however operate the L-1011 into DAB. Until someone shows me pics of UA at DAB, I don't believe it. Sure you're not confusing it with JAX, because UA was in JAX in the 70's. DAB busier than MCO in the 70's?...doubt it. Again, somebody's going to have to show me proof of that because I don't believe it. DL& EA were sending mutiple L-1011 and NA with DC-10s into MCO in the mid to late '70s.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2247 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5293 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
Until someone shows me pics of UA at DAB, I don't believe it.

There are pictures of UA aircraft at DAB in the database, but they were charters. UA never flew scheduled flights into DAB pre-deregulation.



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

A couple of things to add to this thread. Zero G uses TIX for their 727 Zero G flights, looks like they have flights scheduled for Oct 11, Nov 15, and Dec 06 per their website.

I grew up in Central Florida (I was born in 1960) and have a pretty vivid recollection of airline schedules in the state in the late 1960's and throughtout the 1970's, all prior to dereugulation.

I can remember both 727-100's and DC-9-30's scheduled at TIX at different times during the period. I think typically EA had two flights a day at TIX and they never flew nonstop to anywhere outside of the state of Florida. EA never had the authority to operate non-stop to their hub at ATL. I believe EA's service lasted less than 10 years and was at the peak of the space program at the very nearby Cape Kennedy.

Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 6):
Now I'm really surprised -- NA flew into TIX too?

I don't believe NA ever did. But at the same peak of the space program era NAL had extra service at MLB, even briefly operating a DC-8-61 on a LAX-IAH-MLB-MIA routing.

Quoting Thorny (Reply 3):
My first flight was on a National Airlines jet from TiCo to Tampa around that time.

Thorny not to not beleive you but I am about 99 pct sure you flew MLB-TPA. NA operated two 727-235's a day MLB-TPA for many years, but never TIX-TPA. My favorite was good olde NA 435 it left MIA around 6:00 -7:00PM and operated MIA-MLB-TPA-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY.

I enjoyed the mention of the old EA Electra service. Another EA Electra route that operated for years was MIA-VRB-TPA-VRB-MIA.

As far as DAB EA nor the entire airport never had 40 (scheduled airline) flights a day. EA only operate DAB-ATL and at times one of the NYC airports once a day. One day in around 1972-1973 my parents drove me up to DAB for a day trip and we had lunch at Jerry's, the airport resturaunt at the time overlooking the ramp. We picked the perfect day to do it. We planned our timing to see the once a day (noon time) EA L-1011 that operated an ATL-DAB-ATL turn. The 727-100 that was a mid day departure to JFK had cancelled. So EA flagstopped a MIA-JFK L-1011 nonstop into DAB to pick up the cancelled DAB passengers. The second 1011 was only their around 20 mins but I will never forget the site of the 2 EA 1011's parked back to back on the small DAB ramp. At the time only EA and NA served DAB, the latter only having maybe 2-3 flights a day. EA had maybe 10 tops as I recall. The photo of the UA DC-8-61 at DAB was indeed a charter, as they never served DAB during that period.

I hope my recollections are helpful at least a little.

Cheers

LGA777


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5223 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
I think during the 70s, early 80s DAB got pretty much all of Eastern's fleet types at the time. Up until the early 1980s DAB was busier than MCO.

what explains the dropoff at DAB? Ok so who's right about the last sentence, you or 727lover lol?

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):

I've been an Eastern fan for 35 years

since you were like 1 years old then? you don't look older than 35  old  Big grin

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 22):
I grew up in Central Florida

thought you were 100% New Yorker, but you're a local!


User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Now Tico is know as the place the sport bikes go to run at high speed around the road at the end of the runway. With the hairpin turns around it and all. I have run it a few times on my sport bike but I don't turn into corners like someone other people do.


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25 727LOVER : Lets put it this way: I can remember when MCO had only 4 carriers. National, Eastern, Delta, Southern. Hmmmm, .... .....maybe Air Florida was in ther
26 Post contains links N702ML : With all of this discussion of the old days at MCO and DAB, you may want to check out these links from one of my personal favorite websites: http://ol
27 NASCARAirforce : Maybe it was 40 operations. I was told this by one of the Operations guys that been at DAB since then, however I think some were seasonal charters. I
28 N702ML : With all due respect, I am not sure this is correct. Here's why: Disney World opened on October 1, 1971. At that time, Orlando was served by Eastern,
29 ABQopsHP : It isnt much by my 1978 Southern Airways sched had the following non stops..... To BHM 2 To VPS 2 To FLL 4 To HSV 2 To MEM 1 To MIA 9 To TLH 5 No serv
30 USPIT10L : You're welcome, N702ML. Oldterminals.topcities.com was one of my very favorites, but he hasn't updated that site in over a year. Love the coverage of
31 Bbinn333 : Wow DAB-MCO That Is Crazy What Aircraft Was If If anyone knows it must have been 5-10 min. !
32 N702ML : According to National's January 7, 1974 timetable: Flight 121 Boeing 727 Equipment Depart Newark - 5:15pm Arrive Arrive Jacksonville - 7:13pm Depart
33 FLFlyer : I was in flying school in '69 in MLB and use to ferry private aircraft around the state. I flew from TPA -MLB one evening on NA. When I checked in I w
34 Sparky35805 : Eastern flights 92 and 95 operated MLB TIX MCO STL SEA and return in April 1971.This route was called the space corridor and was started in 1967 using
35 Thorny : Thanks! I have no recollection at all of flying out of Melbourne, but I'm sure it was National, so it must have been.
36 TDubJFK : But I wonder what type of facilities they used for passenger check-in and security at TIX.
37 Jamake1 : I am looking at a May 1, 1973 OAG. MCO-TIX was discontinued with the May 1, 1973 schedule change. EA operated flight 322...a DC-9-30...on a MIA-TIX-GN
38 Timz : I can't find any flights at Titusville in the 1/68 Timetable OAG, but maybe "Scheduled Air Taxi" flights weren't all listed. In the 1/69 and 8/69 QR O
39 LGA777 : I never saw in person or saw a photo of the Terminal at TIX but back in the late 60's early 70's many small airports had tiny terminals and keep in m
40 N702ML : My pleasure, LGA777.... and let me add....i post that information NOT for the intention of disagreeing with the original poster....but because i find
41 NASCARAirforce : MCO growing and offering cheaper flights. Hopefully this will help: From the FAA: I was wrong in terms of commercial ops - MCO did have more, it was
42 LGA777 : N702ML I could not agree more, and I ment ZERO disrespect to NASCARAirforce either or anyone else on here, I just did not agree politely with his fac
43 Logos : Interesting thread. I have a co-worker who moved to Orlando in the early 70's and she swears her first flight into Orlando went in ORL (now Orlando Ex
44 N702ML : According to the official website of the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority: 1962: Commercial air service starts relocation of service to McCoy AFB p
45 ImperialEagle : Especially in Florida. Until TPA's current terminal opened in the early 1970's the pax facilities were located where the large G/A FBO is now. Westsh
46 Logos : Thanks a bunch. Don't know why I didn't think to look there myself. Cheers, Dave in Orlando
47 28L28L : Great thread! I just happen to have an EA 26 Apr. 70 timetable. For Titusville/Cocoa Beach It shows one flight to ATL (EA788), one to JAX (EA262), one
48 LGA777 : From reading old timetables I believe both EA and NA brieflly operated the DC-8 at ORL, in around 1960-1961, but with ORL's longest runway being 6000
49 WA707atMSP : DL flew TPA-MIA with 747-132s, too, as a tag on a DTW-TPA 747 flight.
50 Timz : What timetables?
51 LGA777 : I have seen then somewhere, I need to dig out my old George Cerley National book, that may be where I saw the NA DC-8 at ORL schedules. And Timz I ho
52 EXAAUADL : I think EA use to serve Ocala with Electras. I also think that either Titusville or MLB was part of the MCO-HSV-STL-SEA routing for the Apollo Program
53 Timz : The 15 Oct 1961 QR OAG shows no jets at Orlando. 1 Nov 1961 and 15 Nov 1961 show a DL 880 arriving from and departing to DAL and another from and to A
54 Sparky35805 : MLB was part of the HSV route from summer 1967 on.TIX was operated on this route for about two years.The ORL round trip was started in 1963 using Elec
55 Atlturbine : I remember as a kid vacationing with my parents in Key West during the 70's & early 80's seeing Eastern 727's departing EYW @ least a couple of times
56 Maxpower1954 : I'm a Florida native - born in Lakeland, raised near Ft. Myers. National flew into Lakeland from its beginnings in 1934. I have a very clear memory fr
57 Kellmark : I remember that we (EAL) did operate out of there with B727-100s, at least until we had an incident where a landing B727 left tire tracks just before
58 Timz : LAL still has a NA CV440 in the 15 Feb 62 OAG; it isn't listed at all in the 15 March 62. PIE has NA in the 15 June 1961 OAG, but not in the 1 Oct 19
59 Maxpower1954 : Great info timz, I've long been curious about this. Thanks for looking it up. Seems like the pulldown in the smaller cities was related to the phaseou
60 Sparky35805 : NA operated a MIA -EYW as late as April 1959 with Lodestars.They were used throughout Florida and as far west as MSY as late as 1956 and as far west a
61 Maxpower1954 : Right Sparky, one of my trivia questions to spring on airline buffs is what major U.S. carrier never flew the DC-3? My good friend and fellow US Airwa
62 Kellmark : I believe that EAL did not fly the DC4. They took the early Connies. I would guess that TWA did the same but I am not sure.
63 ImperialEagle : Grandfathered "Major Trunks" or airlines that have become "Major Trunks" in recent history? For instance, I don't recall CO ever using -4's-----but i
64 Sparky35805 : Mid Continent which was considered a trunk line never operated 4 engined equipment.However,Continental operated one DC-4,1953-1954 .I have a black and
65 Maxpower1954 : Sparky is right. Mid-Continent is one correct answer, they had DC-3s and Convair 240s when merged with Braniff in 1952. My other answer was Continenta
66 NASCARAirforce : LGA - According to Wiki - McCoy ceased operations as a base in 1975
67 Post contains links Sparky35805 : The Continental DC-4 photo can be found at www.aviationphotographs.net. Click on the Stapleton Airport section and then the Gil Bliss photographs and
68 Maxpower1954 : Thanks, Sparky - I had no idea that CO ever had a DC-4. I see that a/c crashed at BFI in 1955. Also, thanks for the info on NA. Flew on them many time
69 Maxpower1954 : I also think it's very odd that three of National's fatal accidents occurred within 150 miles of each other. A National DC-6 crashed in the Gulf of Me
70 Post contains links 727LOVER : That book has been sitting in my place for 10 years, and I've never read it. DONNA flt 193 routed MIA-MLB-TPA-MSY-MOB-PNS Perhaps you'll enjoy my NA
71 Milesrich : Eastern flew DC-4's, A LOT OF THEM. They had the first supposed Gust Lock accident over Ft. Deposit, MD in 1947, and an Eastern DC-4 was rammed by a
72 Maxpower1954 : Yes milesrich, the 1947 EA DC-4 accident will forever remain a mystery. Ernest K. Gann mentioned it in "Fate is the Hunter", mentioning elevator "un-p
73 717-200 : One of the requirements Boeing had to meet to satisfy the 727 launch customer EA in the early 1960's was the ability to operate out of LGA's 4900 ft
74 FalconBird : I remember from Lexington,KY, in the late 60's and some in the 70's, Eastern flew STL, SDF, LEX, HTS, CRW, DCA and back utilizing Lockheed Electra's a
75 Sparky35805 : Eastern also served Muscle Shoals AL,Dothan AL,Rome GA,Owensborough Ky,Bowling Green Ky,and Columbus Ga.Huntsville Al was a small cotton mill town whe
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