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Another Soon-To-Be-Abandoned Neighborhood At LAX?  
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 19825 times:

Looking around on http://www.wikimapia.org , I discovered the satellite image of a neighborhood just directly west of LAX that appears to be in the process of being bought out and torn down. If I could provide the directly link, I would, but if you just search for LAX, move to the immediate east.

The boundaries of this neighborhood are Century Blvd to the south, La Cienega to the East, Aviation Blvd to the west, and Arbor Vitae Street on the north.

There are some holdouts that do not appear to be going anywhere; however, the majority of the lots appear abandoned. There also appears to be a school in the middle of the neighborhood as well.

It would make sense to remove this last neighborhood from the immediate LAX area, as it is completely surrounded by commercial zones. Yes, I hate for anyone to lose their houses, but in this case, LAX is a very noisy neighbor.

Ironically, I remember driving through this neighborhood many years ago when coming down from Bakersfield. At the time, the main exit for LAX off the 405 was Century Blvd. In the mid-1990's the 105 freeway became the preffered route for traffic from the south and the east and Howard Hughes Parkway became a shortcut exit for traffic from the north. This tiny neighborhood at the 405 & Century Blvd off-ramp no longer saw the volume of traffic exiting the 405.

Anyone know the story of what's going on here? Are there any pictures of the neighborhood on a.net?

Thanks in advance for all replies!!


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 19728 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):

That has not been a living establishment for years. It a fenced off area that still has the streets, but no houses or buildings. If I am not mistaken the land is owned by the airport already. The landing light systems for 6 L/R and 7 L/R go through it.

Some of the locals will have more ifno for you. I only worked at LAX for 1 1/2 years, but did live near that piece of land.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2001 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19559 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
That has not been a living establishment for years. It a fenced off area that still has the streets, but no houses or buildings. If I am not mistaken the land is owned by the airport already. The landing light systems for 6 L/R and 7 L/R go through it.

You're on the wrong side of the airport. This place the OP is talking about is on the eastern edge, east of Sepulveda. The area you're talking about has been vacant for years, though the streets still look like they're in decent condition. It's a "butterfly reserve," yet I've never seen a single butterfly around LAX.

A friend's grandmother used to live up on that hill until LAWA (I think) came and bought the property when they expanded the airport and put the north runway complex in. She misses the view of the ocean. I can't say I blame her.

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
The boundaries of this neighborhood are Century Blvd to the south, La Cienega to the East, Aviation Blvd to the west, and Arbor Vitae Street on the north.

I just drove by that neighborhood last month when I was on La Cienega. I didn't go in it, but it didn't look like anything was torn down. Of course, looking at the satellite photo on Google maps tells a different story. I'll have to drive through there when I'm in LA next time.


User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19559 times:

I know exactly where you mean, I used to work at the CarMax in the area. I don't know what the plan is but some of the apartment buildings and houses are still being used. The LAFD has been using some of the abandoned homes for fire training before they are torn down. After the homes are torn down they add grass, a sprinkler system, and a fence to each lot.


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User currently offlineAuroraLives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19530 times:



Quoting B-787 (Reply 3):
The LAFD has been using some of the abandoned homes for fire training before they are torn down.

Is that related to the mass'o'police cars at the corner of Hindry Ave and W 98th ??


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19519 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):

That has not been a living establishment for years. It a fenced off area that still has the streets, but no houses or buildings. If I am not mistaken the land is owned by the airport already. The landing light systems for 6 L/R and 7 L/R go through it.

No, I don't think he's refering to the long-abandoned Playa del Rey residential area, which is now a butterfly preserve, IIRC. This is to the East of the airport. I've never noticed it before, either. The recent Google Earth image is the same as the Wiki map, shows some houses, but also some vacant lots. It looks like it's being recently dismantled. Any others with more info?

-Rampart


User currently offlineOntime From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19322 times:

Looks like this area was cleared out to make way for the now-defunct Manchester Square check-in area. The elementary school in the middle of the neighborhood was also closed.

http://www.amandakellerkonya.com/portfolio/schools/98thStreet.html

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...Manchester-Square-LAX-s-money.html

http://www.lawa.org/ResidentialAcqui...sidentialacquisitionrelocation.cfm

[Edited 2008-09-23 14:15:32]

[Edited 2008-09-23 14:18:09]

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19321 times:

The area west of LAX, between the airport and the Pacific Ocean, used to be called the Surfridge neighborhood:

http://www.lakata.org/arch/surfridge/

http://www.elsegundo.net/el-segundo/...21/curbed-la-ghostown-del-rey.html

The neighborhood to the north and north west is called Playa Del Rey and Manchester. A good deal of it still exists - only the areas closest to LAX were torn down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa_del_Rey,_Los_Angeles,_California

Thanks for the info so far - I'll have to check it out next time I'm in the area!!



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1507 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19180 times:

Internet links courtesy of the LAWA website:
http://www.lawa.org/ResidentialAcqui...sidentialacquisitionrelocation.cfm

http://www.lawa.org/ResidentialAcquisition/docs/Acq_Spring_2007_V4.pdf

[Edited 2008-09-23 14:56:02]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18099 times:

Ya, got the wrong side of the airport! Sorry PanAm, I was of no help!  Smile

ASSFO



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User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17977 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
I discovered the satellite image of a neighborhood just directly west of LAX

Well the OP did say west...



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17677 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
The boundaries of this neighborhood are Century Blvd to the south, La Cienega to the East, Aviation Blvd to the west, and Arbor Vitae Street on the north.

The name of this area is Manchester Square. The majority of the area is abandoned, however, LAWA (the landlord) is now in complete control of the region. Some inhabitants are still living there as their properties are still being negotiated out. This area is a favorite for film crews as it has apartments and homes of all types than can resemble virtually almost anywhere in America, LAWA's film dept is constantly showing it to location scouts. An Airport Police detachment is present to keep the area secure. It is a long time coming before actual LAX expansion reaches this area...if at all. If it does occur, the hotels and rental car facilities (north of Century Blvd) must be relocated in order to connect LAX (present) to the Manchester Square area -- talk about expansion!


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17332 times:
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Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):

Anyone know the story of what's going on here? Are there any pictures of the neighborhood on a.net?

Thanks in advance for all replies!!



Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
No, I don't think he's refering to the long-abandoned Playa del Rey residential area, which is now a butterfly preserve, IIRC. This is to the East of the airport. I've never noticed it before, either. The recent Google Earth image is the same as the Wiki map, shows some houses, but also some vacant lots. It looks like it's being recently dismantled. Any others with more info?

-Rampart

I live in Santa Monica/Mar Vista and from what I know, it's not Playa del Rey but some beach. I'll do some checking around and see what I can come up with as I have some friends who live in Playa.

Slightly off topic, does anyone know anything about those apartments that sit north of the airport by the runways in Westchester on Lincoln as it curves around running parallel to the runways?


User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17332 times:
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I remember late 90's when I would go to Manhattan Beach then swinging by INnOut Burger and head over to Sandpiper Drive. Its a hill located in this Neighborhood. Unfortunately its all blocked off now. It was the best for spotting.


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9395 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16934 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):

Slightly off topic, does anyone know anything about those apartments that sit north of the airport by the runways in Westchester on Lincoln as it curves around running parallel to the runways?

I can see what looks like 2 rather large apartment buildings just north of where Lincoln passes under Westchester Parkway. That what you're talking about?

I've driven by them many times, but never noticed them.

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
The boundaries of this neighborhood are Century Blvd to the south, La Cienega to the East, Aviation Blvd to the west, and Arbor Vitae Street on the north.

Just drove on the border of this neighborhood 20 minutes ago (got off of the 405 onto Century west, and turned south onto Aviation). But I had no idea that there was a residential neighborhood there. Or there used to be....

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 13):
I remember late 90's when I would go to Manhattan Beach then swinging by INnOut Burger and head over to Sandpiper Drive. Its a hill located in this Neighborhood. Unfortunately its all blocked off now. It was the best for spotting.

That's over on the west side of LAX, as pointed out earlier.

Quoting Chrisair (Reply 2):
It's a "butterfly reserve," yet I've never seen a single butterfly around LAX.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
No, I don't think he's refering to the long-abandoned Playa del Rey residential area, which is now a butterfly preserve, IIRC.

FYI, if anyone cares (hey, they fly!), it's a preserve for the El Segundo Blue Butterfly.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16913 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
I live in Santa Monica/Mar Vista and from what I know, it's not Playa del Rey but some beach. I'll do some checking around and see what I can come up with as I have some friends who live in Playa.

That beach is Dockweiler State Beach... (east of that are the dunes and Butterfly Reserve) ...BUT the thread starter is not talking about that end of LAX. That's the west end, he's asking about the nearly abandoned area on the far east end of LAX hemmed up near LaCienega and nearly the 405 Freeway.

The Dunes/Blue Butterfly Habitat is no longer a neighborhood... period. Roads and a few telephone poles exist but no structures exist there except FAA facilities/equipment.

BN747



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16724 times:

I can's see what looks "abandoned", not many cars granted but looks ok!

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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16684 times:

And more's the point, the abandoned area by Playa del Rey at the Western end of the field which has been disused for years surely could be used for something more than just positioning a VOR?


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User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16639 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
Slightly off topic, does anyone know anything about those apartments that sit north of the airport by the runways in Westchester on Lincoln as it curves around running parallel to the runways?

I lived in those apartments briefly in 2004. Fourth floor, closest to the runways. Yes, as you would expect, AWESOME view of the 24's. I would sit out on the patio with my scanner and just watch the heavies roll in. I'm a bit surprised no ones submitted any pictures to a.net from there yet.

Also, since the outside hallways are all concrete, if you stand in one during reverse thrust of a 757 for example, its absolutely deafening. But hey I'm into that sort of thing. Quite a few airline employees have apartments there and I think even some of the international airlines rent out those apartments for their flight crews to stay in. I saw Aer Lingus and Thai flight attendants stroll in and out of there all the time.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16639 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 16):
I can's see what looks "abandoned", not many cars granted but looks ok!

Trust me Cumulus...it's a ghost town...just drive right thru it and see for yourself...it's why film crews like it so much, it's mini town without the normal street film permit hassles (and cost)....over 95% uninhabited. All owners (apartment owners too) have been bought out..a few stragglers remain...but their days are numbered.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16613 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
just drive right thru it and see for yourself

I would do, but it's thousands of miles away for me living near London! Hardly a day out!



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16292 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 17):
And more's the point, the abandoned area by Playa del Rey at the Western end of the field which has been disused for years surely could be used for something more than just positioning a VOR?

To be exact, Playa Del Rey's beach begins at the up corner, but mainly that beach you see in the second photo is Dockweiler, then the hilly Dunes/Blue Butterfly Habitat (with all the roadways that lead to where many homes once stood), and of course Pershing Road and the western end of LAX itself.

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 16):
I can's see what looks "abandoned", not many cars granted but looks ok!



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 20):

I would do, but it's thousands of miles away for me living near London! Hardly a day out!

And looks from 1000s miles away and 1000s of feet from above can be deceiving...  wink 

BN747



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User currently offlineNorthstar From Sweden, joined Aug 2008, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12369 times:



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 18):
lived in those apartments briefly in 2004. Fourth floor, closest to the runways. Yes, as you would expect, AWESOME view of the 24's. I would sit out on the patio with my scanner and just watch the heavies roll in. I'm a bit surprised no ones submitted any pictures to a.net from there yet.

hmm , And why didnt you take the pictures !! shame on you ...  Wink  Wink


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12212 times:

I live in westchester, and let me tell you something. If the resisdents can prevent LMU from expanding, they can block LAX expansion as well. The residents are terribly stubborn!


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

Tommy, what is LMU?

And I agree about the part of preventing expansion - the LAX Master Plan has put a cap on passenger capacity, after which time a gate will be removed. Very few people outside the immediate area believe it, but Westchester and El Segundo made it happen.

Watch peoples' eyes glaze over when you tell them that LAX won't expand indefinitely..."but it HAS to!! Where else are we going to send everyone?"

On that note, thanks to all for your responses!! I have updated the Wikimapia location and included several of the links provided. Sorry to see a neighborhood go, but in this case, it's probably for the best.



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25 Tommy767 : Loyola Marymount University. I live in westchester in a house and I attend school there.
26 LAXintl : LMU = Loyola Marymount University They have been trying for an expanded the campus.... however the neighborhood has come up against this this basicall
27 Malaysia : Whats the apartment complex name and whats the usual lease rate? Id do anything to live there if I ever worked in LAX. Sound is not a problem to me.
28 Post contains links LAxintl : Park West. $1215-$2085/month per their listing http://www.rent.com/rentals/californ.../los-angeles/westchester-adjacent/
29 Malaysia : Thanks, definitely not for agents at LAX unless they have good second income or roomies, It sure would help is Google Earth could easily pop names of
30 N1120A : I think you confused east and west The El Segundo Blue Butterfly is a federally endangered species that only has 3 colonies, all around LAX. Playa de
31 Post contains links LAXintl : According to residents it is... http://la.curbed.com/tags/loyola-marymount While not one of the prettiest areas of LA, having spent many days around
32 Post contains images Charles79 : " target=_blank>http://www.rent.com/rentals/californ...acent Oh yes, Park West. I just moved out of this complex at the beginning of Sept and though
33 Tommy767 : It's more of a ghetto. Around USC, you have to worry about getting shot at night. This is true. And there are some things going for westchester and t
34 BN747 : To say in a less offensive manner... USC sits squarely on the northern border of 'the Hood', with downtown LA just to the north. BN747
35 Tommy767 : What is so offensive about it? The area around USC is simply just not a safe area in general which is common knowledge. Not all parts of 'the hood' a
36 JetJeanes : The east side its that neighbrhood down in front of the herbalife building,,, Arbor vitae i thought ran east and west, there used to be a few cargo pl
37 BN747 : Well the exact same could be said for anywhere in downtown LA at nite or certain streets downtown during broad daylight. Same can be said of Hollywoo
38 Tommy767 : True but there are plenty of places along venice that I would consider "unsafe at night" if you know what I mean. A lot of LMU kids live in park west
39 LACA773 : To a point but it's mainly minority families and more gang bangers to the east of their. It has become very very dangerous in recent months. Two rape
40 Malaysia : I take it the balcony is wearing out and not level anymore?
41 RampRat74 : My brother lived in the apartments that backed up to Century Blvd, right behind the Taco bell. He moved there back in 1989 after getting hired on with
42 Post contains images Aaway : The way there (circa 2004):
43 Aaway : Others have mentioned the name of the complex, lease rates, etc. If LAWA succeeds with the North Airfield revamp (moving 6L / 24R 340 feet northward)
44 Post contains links PW100 : See this masterplan document for more detailed plans: http://www.laxmasterplan.org/docs/fi...al_mp/011_MainDocument_Ch_2.02.pdf Pages of special inte
45 Post contains links JOEYCAPPS : Certainly not THIS Parkwest, right? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Alask...Airlines/Boeing-737-790/1324473/L/
46 Post contains links PanAm747 : http://www.equityapartments.com/mark...hure.aspx?page=overview&PropID=725 The Parkwest Apartments in the picture are at 9400 La Tijera Blvd, at the c
47 SJC4Me : Hey, my old room!
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