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LH Going All Airbus (at Least In MUC)

Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

Lufthansa will withdraw all its 737s from MUC and become all Airbus there. This is done to cut maintenance and crewing costs. It is planned that the fleet in MUC will consist of 27 A330/A340 and 40 A320 aircraft.

Link :
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-all-airbus-mainline-fleet-at.html

It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong

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Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

That is not really a surprise considering that they only have 737's and 744's in their fleet since the 737 will leave the fleet and the 744 have always been FRA-based. So there are just Airbusses left for MUC.
Well, and all the little birds from Cityline, Eurowings, Air Dolomiti and co...

FlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

It will just mean that all B737s are going to be stationed in other stations, probably will be split up towards HAM und DUS, and with the FRA 737 station will probably remain more or less the same...

Just my guess on this!

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Thilo

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LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
It is planned that the fleet in MUC will consist of 27 A330/A340

How many of those A340s will be A343 and A346? And also while on the subject how many A346 are FRA based?

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A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

I found this to be the really interesting part of the article:

Quoting Flightglobal:
and nine 50-seaters (CRJ200s/ATR 42s).

Harbarth says the last 50-seaters will leave during the 2009-10 winter timetable as 112-seat Embraer 195s are delivered. Lufthansa has 30 of the Brazilian regional jets on order, "more than two-thirds" of which are likely to be based in Munich, with the rest going to the airline's principal hub in Frankfurt.

God to see the new 195s here. When will the first be delivered?

Apart from that, I wonder which airline actually has ATR-42s based at MUC now? EN and Contact Air come to mind.

Exceptions confirm the rule.

Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting Godbless (Reply 1):
That is not really a surprise considering that they only have 737's and 744's in their fleet since the 737 will leave the fleet and the 744 have always been FRA-based.

Wasnt there a time when the following routes were operated with a 747-400:

MUC-BKK
MUC-LAX
MUC-SFO

N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

The thread title is highly misleading.

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
112-seat Embraer 195s are delivered. Lufthansa has 30 of the Brazilian regional jets on order, "more than two-thirds" of which are likely to be based in Munich,

So it looks like MUC won't be all Airbus

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 5):
Wasnt there a time when the following routes were operated with a 747-400:

MUC-BKK
MUC-LAX
MUC-SFO

I believe that at least MUC-LAX did, though I think even these routes may have rotated via the outstation from FRA.

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Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 2):
It will just mean that all B737s are going to be stationed in other stations, probably will be split up towards HAM und DUS, and with the FRA 737 station will probably remain more or less the same...

The planes are being withdrawn from service.

NS

TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5309 times:

Since the B735 will leave the fleet in 2009, there will be no meaningful gain in size at the other 737-stations due to the harmonization of the MUC-based fleet.

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WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8476 posts, RR: 78
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 5281 times:

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They tried that back in 2005 as well... I was on 737 at that time and I was flying out of MUC a lot of times. Maybe this time it'll work.

The 737s fly a lot out of HAM and DUS and FRA as well.

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Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 3):
Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
It is planned that the fleet in MUC will consist of 27 A330/A340

How many of those A340s will be A343 and A346?

10 A340-600s, nine A340-300s, four A330-300s is the current fleet.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 3):
And also while on the subject how many A346 are FRA based?

24-10=14 (20 are delivered this far).

[Edited 2008-09-24 23:08:04]

CastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
The planes are being withdrawn from service.

About time. I never cared much for the 737 family... hopefully LH will take a few 747 out of service as well, once they recieve the A380s.

Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3593 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
So it looks like MUC won't be all Airbus

The article does not say that the Embraers will be ending up with Lufthansa (mainline). IIRC, this is a major issue at the moment - whether under a collective agreement the 100+ seat Embraer can be operated by one of the Lufthansa subsidiaries/affiliates or must be operated by mainline. In the mid 1990s, there was the same drama when the 80+ seats Avro RJ85 were introduced and the unions initially blocked operation by Cityline.

RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

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Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Lufthansa will withdraw all its 737s from MUC and become all Airbus there. This is done to cut maintenance and crewing costs. It is planned that the fleet in MUC will consist of 27 A330/A340 and 40 A320 aircraft.

Link :
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

We don't consider in this notice the Lufthansa flights operated by Lufthansa Cityline like BCN-MUC, right?

Regards,

Gerard

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RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7695 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

I remember many years ago the MUC-SFO route was flown with a 747-400 on a flight that arrived at SFO just as the SFO-FRA flight was taxiing out to Runway 28R for its flight back to FRA. I believe that LH switched to using an A340-600 on the MUC-SFO route, and the flight arrives in the late afternoon af SFO and leaves in the evening.

UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting CastropRauxel (Reply 11):
hopefully LH will take a few 747 out of service as well, once they recieve the A380s.

Aren't the 744's supposed to stay until 748's come on board?

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Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
So it looks like MUC won't be all Airbus

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
We don't consider in this notice the Lufthansa flights operated by Lufthansa Cityline like BCN-MUC, right?

LH mainline is going all Airbus don´t be so nit picky.
This will be old news when LH is getting their CSeries as I think they will be mainline, too.

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Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6884 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
believe that at least MUC-LAX did, though I think even these routes may have rotated via the outstation from FRA.

Yes, 744's have operated to/from MUC but there is not, and I don't think there ever was a 744 base in MUC.

Caspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 15):
Aren't the 744's supposed to stay until 748's come on board?

That's what I heard, too. LH has the need for a plane between the A380 and the A340-600. Right now this is the 747-400 and after that it will be the 747-800.

CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2080 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

The flightglobal article also mentions 7 x RJ85 and CRJ900 plus 23 x CRJ700 and Q400 being stationed at MUC. I thought LH Cityline had all 12 x CRJ900 at MUC and all CRJ700 at Köln, in a very streamlined operation.

Do they swap aircraft around as the market changes or has it always been this way? I counted 8 x CRJ900 at MUC some weeks ago when I landed there on a Saturday morning, including the one I was on.

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Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3593 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

I don't think that any CR700 is based at CGN. They do not have any CR7 schedules from CGN. There are quite a few at DUS in addition to the three EW ones.

N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting CastropRauxel (Reply 11):
hopefully LH will take a few 747 out of service as well

Hopefully why?

Quoting Columba (Reply 16):

LH mainline is going all Airbus don´t be so nit picky.

Since when? Especially given that they launched the 748I

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Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3075 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I would assume that this would also mean
that some 737s will still end up flying into MUC?

I could see 737s being based elsewhere and operated by their own crew bases
still touching down and simply returning after their flights? Or are all flights to and from MUC operated by MUC crew?

Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Since when? Especially given that they launched the 748I

Again Lufthansa mainline is going all Airbus in MUC Smile

This does not mean Lufthansa Cityline, Lufthansa Cargo or whatever airline associated with Lufthansa, Lufthansa mainline will continue to operate Airbus and Boeing aircraft but so far no Boeings will be stationed in MUC......... Smile

It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong

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