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JAL B744 @ Cyyz Today...What's Up With That?  
User currently offlineDC10sRULE From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Hello All,

Saw a JAL B744 at CYYZ Terminal 3 tonight:
JAL 8806 arrived from RJGG (Chubu-Centrair) and departed as JAL 8069 to LDZA (Zagreb)

I've been at CYYZ for several years and this is the first time I have seen JAL. I was told the flight was bringing Japanese tourists to see the changing fall foliage in Ontario and was an annual event. Also, was curious why they went on to Zagreb of all places.

Any info on this flight would be appreciated.

I'm sure someone in A.NET land has the REAL answers.

Take Care!!!!!

JA               

[Edited 2008-09-24 21:36:23]

[Edited 2008-09-24 21:37:12]


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User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

I hope its not too see the fall colors as they are early arriving here. everything is still green.


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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3077 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
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Quoting DC10sRULE (Thread starter):
Any info on this flight would be appreciated.

JA8078 was used on the flight.


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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4016 times:



Quoting DC10sRULE (Thread starter):
I've been at CYYZ for several years and this is the first time I have seen JAL. I was told the flight was bringing Japanese tourists to see the changing fall foliage in Ontario and was an annual event. Also, was curious why they went on to Zagreb of all places.

Comes in once or twice a year. It's quite a 'call to arms' so to speak for YYZ spotters.

I've seen it each year of the last 3 years.

1011yyz



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Some of the leaves are changing up north but seem slower this year in Southern Ontario. The odd tree is starting to be a brilliant red. These charters are booked well in advance unfortunately and can't be rescheduled to match mother nature. Trees last year turned colour early because of the dry summer. This year with lots of moisture they are a bit later. The tour operators must roll the dice. :P

*The aircraft drops people off and doesn't sit here and wait for them. They often are picked up in Montreal or back in Toronto depending on the tour. Where that planes goes next would depend on other charters or rotation.

[Edited 2008-09-25 13:07:30]

User currently offlineAC330 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

I saw a JAL 744 at YUL last week as well. They often come in two or three times throughout Sept and Oct for the fall foliage tours. In previous years I have also seen All Nippon 747's at YUL for the same reason.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3852 times:



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 2):
JA8078 was used on the flight.

8078 is one of several JAL birds that is often used for charters. It's got a large coach section, with a smaller business section, and... if memory serves me right, no first class at all.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

The JL 744 operated ZAG-KIX today, as a passenger charter.
Most probably NGO-YYZ was a pax-charter as well.
YYZ-ZAG was a positioning flight and therefore empty.

JL is very often operating passenger charters to several places. For the Canada spotters; YQB is on the list next month, also B744 equipment  Wink



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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

These are fall colour charter flights. Japanese passenger groups spend time touring cottage country north and east of Toronto (Collingwood area, Kawarthas, etc).

I believe there are four charters this year to Toronto. I had the dates handy but can't seem to find them...


User currently offlineDC10sRULE From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

I didn't believe the "foliage" story only because - as mentioned - it would be very difficult to ensure that the visitors actually see the fall colors they paid for.

Nice to see JAL @ CYYZ though - I've always looked for them in my travels to other airports since I miss out on them at home. As an aside, has JAL ever served CYYZ with scheduled traffic or was it only CP & Canadian flying to Asia before Air Canada??

Thanks to all for the info.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
8078 is one of several JAL birds that is often used for charters. It's got a large coach section, with a smaller business section, and... if memory serves me right, no first class at all

Actually, a small correction on this one. I flew on this bird a couple years ago as JL17 YVR-NRT. It did have 8 first class and a decent business cabin (not like the ones they flew into JFK or SFO at the time). It even had a window in the washroom behind the L1 door. So unless they densely reconfigured this bird over the last four years, I am pretty sure it does have a first class section.

The ones that don't have the First class at all are used on YVR, HNL, and certain European routes like Rome or Milan. To name a few birds, they were JA8088, JA8089, JA8901, JA8917, JA8921 off the top of my head. There are other ones as well but just not sure at the moment.



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

To correct you

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 10):
It did have 8 first class and a decent business cabin (not like the ones they flew into JFK or SFO at the time).

9 First Class seats, old style. This cabin is not used on any charter flight.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 10):
So unless they densely reconfigured this bird over the last four years, I am pretty sure it does have a first class section.

So, no changes in configuration on this bird.

btw, charter flights are usually served by either JA8075 / 8078 / 8079 / 8085 / 8086 since they have a same cabin config.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 10):
The ones that don't have the First class at all are used on YVR, HNL, and certain European routes like Rome or Milan. To name a few birds, they were JA8088, JA8089, JA8901, JA8917, JA8921 off the top of my head.

Add JA8087 and you're done with it  Wink In Europe, only FCO and MXP see these machines.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3368 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
Add JA8087 and you're done with it In Europe, only FCO and MXP see these machines

Thanks a lot. Yeah completely forgot about about JA8087.



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User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

JAL has 7 flights coming to YUL this year for the fall colours. The most ever. It looks like this type of charter business is booming.

I don't know about YYZ's JAL flights but here is a list of this fall's flights to YUL (all flights using a 744):

Sept 21.......FUK-NGO-YUL 12h50/15h15 YUL-KIX
Sept 23.......SDJ-YUL 8h40/13h40 YUL-NGO
Sept 30.......NGO-YUL 9h05/11h30 YUL-YVR-NGO
Oct 1..........FUK-NGO-YUL 12h50/14h50 YUL-CTS-KIX
Oct 3..........KIX-CTS-YUL 12h10/14h30 YUL-CTS-FUK
Oct 10........KIX-YUL 7h00/9h10 YUL-CTS-KIX
Oct 12........NRT-YUL 7h10/9h10 YUL-CTS-NGO

Air Berlin/LTU have also joined in this year bringing German tourists for a special fall colours cruise departing from Montreal and ending in New York. Two seperate flights on 2 seperate days using A330's.

Wednesday, Sept. 24th
LTU1150 ARR: 15H40 Düsseldorf - Montréal
LTU1151 DEP: 17H40 Montréal - Düsseldorf
Airbus A330-300

LTU1154 ARR: 15H55 Munich - Montréal
LTU1155 DEP: 17H55 Montréal - Munich
Airbus A330-200

Tuesday, Oct 14th
LTU1150 ARR: 15H40 Düsseldorf - Montréal
LTU1151 DEP: 17H40 Montréal - Düsseldorf
Airbus A330-300

LTU1154 ARR: 15H55 Munich - Montréal
LTU1155 DEP: 17H55 Montréal - Munich
Airbus A330-200

Let's hope other carriers also come in the future. It makes for some great spotting. Specially going into the slower season when some carriers reduce flights or stop all together.

YULspotter


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

All the way from Japan to see Fall leaves?! Guess I'm lucky,I see em on my way to work .


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Same thing is done to Fairbanks,AK for the northern lights.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3187 times:



Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 9):
As an aside, has JAL ever served CYYZ with scheduled traffic

To the best of my memory, YVR is the only city in Canada that has ever had JL scheduled service.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3175 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Same thing is done to Fairbanks,AK for the northern lights.

And Anchorage.... that's how I know a good bit about JAL......  Smile
But they're not here for the Aurora.


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Yes, all that distance to see leaves.

Those of us who experience all four seasons often forget to appreciate what we have. Not everyone gets to see that in their part of the world. The blanket of colours in fall can be quite amazing.

...and we get to see aircraft/airlines that don't normally transit our airports so we get to see some different colours, too.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3004 times:



Quoting Polaris (Reply 18):
Not everyone gets to see that in their part of the world

That's awkward. I mean NRT, KIX, NGO, and FUK, we see it. The only problem is, now because of all this warming, they don't change colours until December, but we still get them!!!

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 13):
Oct 10........KIX-YUL 7h00

Umm........ did you refer that the flight was going to leave at 7 o'clock in the morning? It can't be scheduled for only 7 hours all the way to Montreal right? Or that must be one fast plane.

NRT-YVR is scheduled to be 8 h 35 min isn't it?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2862 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 17):

Well I didnt want to mention what they were doing under the Aurora

ASSFO



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