Atnight From Ecuador, joined Dec 2005, 520 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 27092 times:
Airbus has made an advertisement about the A350XWB with a new image of what the redesigned nose would look like. It also shows the 6 window cockpit instead of 4.
Personally I don't like it as much, and only hope that when it is all said and done it looks better than this cg ad.
Now, is the design freeze finally done? And does anyone else know if there are another pictures of the final look? I think that maybe the angle and the way the plane is shown makes the nose not look as good as it could.
Finally, is Airbus making their wing for the A350 a lot better than the B787? From what the ad says, it would appear they claim their new wing and flaps are revolutionary? Care anyone to explain that in more detail?
Now I hope Airbus gets this plane more less in track and avoids the embarrassment of the A380 and B787 delays.
TriniA340 From Trinidad And Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 27042 times:
Sorry, but I think it looks ugly. I had hoped it would look a little nicer than that. I prefer the pics that EK had released. These look different from the Emirates ones, not so? Or is it the angle?. Anyway, it's not looks that matter right, only performance....
AustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 560 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 26993 times:
Not ugly, but also not beautiful, I'd say. Mostly boring... Another tube with 2 wings, a tail, and two engines under the wings. The planes start to look the same from an E-170 to a B77W...
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6983 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 26941 times:
The A350 becomes worse and worse. If it comes to aesthetical design issues (not totally unimportant even in aviation), this mediocre thing is clearly inferior to the Dreamliner. In particular the nose is plain ugly. The current A340s/A330s are definitely nicer.
As to the drawing, also qualitywise the worst I´ve seen from Airbus in a long time.
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2): Mostly boring... Another tube with 2 wings, a tail, and two engines under the wings. The planes start to look the same from an E-170 to a B77W...
I fully agree. Bad times for us aviation fans ahead, bad times for spotters, too.
Teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 717 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26872 times:
Do remember that the picture has some effects on it to simulate motion
I would like to see more renderings before making my mind is it good looking plane or not.
ps. I do hope that Airbus releases renderings of this one with AY colors
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1197 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26827 times:
Honestly, it does not look as bad as I thought it would, but I will hold on to my final judgement until I see the rendering showing the final desing in full detail (wings, tail, etc.).
You can bash me all you want, but I consider the 747 and A380 equal... in their ugliness!!! Signed: 777 fanatic.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 693 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26829 times:
When they will start manufacturing it ?
to me it looks like A321
Slz396 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 21 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26165 times:
It looks very familiar IMO.
First of all, the typical Airbus style cockpit windows have clearly made it on the A350 too, just have a look at the shape of the side windows for instance.
For the rest, the nose looks just like the EMB170/190 or the 787, but then when each manufacturer goes in search the most aerodynamic nose shape, they are bound to find the same result aren't they?
Seems that is does make sense to come up with a low placed nose (i.e. with the nose tip ex-centric from the center of the fuselage cross section). The Emb 170/190 has it, the A380 has it, the 787 will have it and now also the A350.
When seen in profile these planes all have the same feature: a low placed nose, a long and flat face, a high curved forhead... You can discuss their differences in details, but the times are clearly gone when a plane nose was perfectly symmetrical and bullet shaped like on the 747, the 767, 777 or all the previous Airbus wide bodies.... Interesting to see how some older planes seem to have had it right 20 years ago on this: the ATP or the Bae146 definitely come to mind.
Compare the A350 to this picture of a 'naked' 787:
Gorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24956 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 21): I am remembering, obviously the surprise packet is the Mach 1.4 cruise!
More like warp 9!
If its anything, its boring. Not beautiful, not ugly, but just a bit boring. I am really happy those A330-200 are selling so well, so we will be able to see them for a long time.
However, there's more to an airliner than just the nose. Remember the A380 has to most beautiful pair of wings I have ever seen.
AAN777AN From United States, joined Feb 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24920 times:
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 20): Other than the typical 6 window Airbus cockpit lay-out I'd say there is a striking resemblance between the 2...
That, to me, is what makes this A350XWB rendering less aesthetically pleasing than the 787. The 787's windows seem to fit that shape better than the six-window Airbus arrangement.
26 Astuteman: It probably WAS the best thing that happened in the aerodynamics department.... Suggest we all wait to see it on the real thing.. I suspect we'll be
28 MIAMIx707: it looked perfect on the A300, but it was about time they changed it... I must be the only one who prefers the new nose, it looks pretty old school.
29 Olympic472: It is good that there is no resemblance to the A380 (my vote for he worst nose to date). My pov is that this is a compromised result. Why? Because it
30 MIAMIx707: That plane looks awkward in about half the angles. The 330-300 is better proportioned. Interesting how tastes differ. This Airbus impression actually
31 PM: G I V E M E A B R E A K! Like The 767 or 777 were style icons! BLAND, BLAND, BLAND... Kudos to Airbus: ground-breaking airliner and it looks good!
32 AmricanShamrok: Yeah I don't see anything wrong with it...it looks fine
33 EPA001: A very good post Slz396! It is clear that in the fierce competitive airliner market every minimal performance gain is pursued. So it is no wonder tha
34 Acheron: I don't think those image do justice to the new design, so I'll wait until new rendering in customers' liveries are out before making an uninformed op
35 AutoThrust: Thanks for giving me hope, it will look better then this. I really hope so.
36 Stitch: The 777 is the best-looking commercial airliner in service today, IMO. The 777-200 family looks the better of the two, but it's a beauty to my eyes.
37 BA319-131: Wow, not the best looking plane out there, that's for sure! That said, if this shape helps with the economics of operating it, doe people, other than
38 Frigatebird: Except it lacks 2 engines But why on Earth does Airbus keep clinging on to the XWB extension??? By now, the airline world knows it's wider than the A
39 DL767captain: The picture just confuses me, it looks like an A380 who had the top smushed down! It's not the best looking aircraft but it will be interesting to see
40 Rheinbote: The nose profile makes me think "BAe's revenge". To me it looks pretty close to the BAe146. D'accord "Its high-lift system uses streamwise motion" is
42 Rikkus67: I have to say, it would have been nice if Airbus had went with a 4 window layout on the A350, but just like people have come to accept the more standa
43 MIAMIx707: Has the A350 ever been flashy?? I don't think Airbus can make a plane look any worse than the frog-jet A318, now that's ugly! IIMO the best looking '
44 Heavierthanair: G'day While the nose may not overly excite us A-Netters it may please the bean counters of the airlines planning to buy the thing. More interesting to
45 Meta: I like this picture in the link a lot better than what was previously shown.
46 EA772LR: I like it. Airbus has a unique style with their designs and I love the almost everything they make looks, especially the A330/A340. I think the A350 w
47 Osiris30: Agreed, the perfect circular nature is probably what appeals to you (it is what does it for me visually). I think the 787 will be the new Boeing cham
48 SpeedBirdA380: And I thought I was passionate about plane's But I think we are all missing the point a bit here. Airbus are not in business to build beautiful plane
49 SEPilot: Personally, I consider the aesthetics of all airliners flying to be pretty close to the same (except for the A380, which I consider positively ugly, a
50 DocLightning: SECOND most beautiful. The 747 has the prettiest.
51 AirNZ: Okay, so how do you propose any aircraft can look much different from another......considering they are all a tube, two wings, a tail and either two
52 474218: Does anyone else have a problem with the title of this thread? What is shown is not a design or photo. Its an artist's conception!
53 Nomadd22: I kinda doubt if anyone else was confused by the title. My 9 year old thinks the 787 windows look sinister. She likes them. She aso thinks the new 35
54 EbbUK: Yes this impression of the 350 makes it look as bland as the 767 Well if anyone would know huh Kaneporta?.... I am waiting!
55 EA CO AS: I'm guessing the research showed Airbus the same thing that Boeing learned - an ultra high-efficiency aircraft with these mission characteristics req
56 Areopagus: I agree. As for low-slung snouts, we shouldn't forget the DC-9. Hmm, did some have more elongated snouts than others? From some angles, the 777 looks
57 Crjfixer: Believe it or not as far as noses go the crj looks pretty mean, too bad the rest is junk lol. Although fairly plain looking i like what i see so far f
58 Ikramerica: I think it has to do with maximizing cargo room. If you make the bottom of the fuse as long as possible, you get more LD3s in. You can push the nose
59 KLMD11L: It's OK, I think whatever design they come up with will NOT beat the gorgeous nose of the A330/340!
60 MIAMIx707: No, it's an optical illusion from the different DC-9 paintschemes. The question is, are the DC-8 and DC-9 noses the same? There seems like a slight d
61 Astuteman: This and many other posts only go to show that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I search through the library of A380 pics here on A-net, and the
62 Tdscanuck: I don't believe so, although they must be close to freezing the mold lines. I depends on your definition of "a lot". In commercial aircraft aerodynam
63 Astuteman: The main characteristics, including the mold lines, were frozen quite some time ago. Full, detailed design freeze for the A350-900 is the end of this
65 Columba: The best looking jet airliners ever produced are the Caravelle, the 707, the 727, 747, Dc 10, MD 11, L1011, Tu 154, A343 and A354 - period - the A300,
66 JD747: It's funny to see how different we think about the same thing. I was about to say that the L-1011 has the ugliest nose (well, in fact I've never like
67 BlueSky1976: IMO the best looking nose in commercial aircraft history belongs to the Caravelle, followed by Tu-154:
68 Moo: Which, by inference, you are saying the best looking nose comes from the De Havilland Comet De Havilland supplied Sud with the entire nose section fr
69 TrentXWB: "Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder" - how true. How differently we think about the same airplane? I'll wait for the actual thing before writing m
70 BlueSky1976: Thanks for that information, I wasn't aware of that. Proves that you learn something new every day.
71 474218: And the curved windshields are far better aerodynamically than the flat panels used by most other manufactures.
73 TriniA340: Though I think the DC-10/MD-11 has the best-looking nose of all, followed by the Airbus widebodies. I think some ppl may change their opinions about
75 ContnlEliteCMH: Or three engines. Aircraft can look different the same way that people look different, considering they all have two eyes, a nose, two lips, two chee
76 MadameConcorde: Nice looking aircraft, I only wish the nose would not look like this... I guess aerodynamics have got priority on aesthetics.
77 SpeedBirdA380: This thread give's me an idea. Why dont we have an A.net competition to design the most beautiful aeroplane?
78 Teme82: That's easy Nose from Caravelle and the rest of the body of A350
79 A342: IMO the wing fences make the A320 look distinctive. I hope it stays that way.
80 474218: If you really believe this, I would hate to see your wife, girlfriend or significant other. The L-1011 is one of the best looking airlines ever, righ
85 CastropRauxel: As long as we're on the subject of beautiful aircraft - this one is plain ugly. here, i've said it. just plain ugly. that bulbous head is just horrid
86 DocLightning: *Tries not to choke on the innuendo* This is the song I've been singing since Boeing first showed the 7E7 nose. "Gee, looks a lot like the Comet!" No
87 Tdscanuck: How did they just change the nose if the mold lines are frozen? Tom.
88 PM: I'm guessing they changed it quite some time ago but they are only revealing it now.
89 Tdscanuck: I am shocked (shocked!) at the suggestion that Airbus wouldn't immediately disclose such a wholly irrelevant cosmetic change to the eager a.net membe
90 MIAMIx707: The L1011, when flying overhead it looks like an evil bat, especially the shorter '500 with a bigger wingspan. Those flaps in landing config. are impr
91 Astuteman: That'll be the one Cigar goes to EA772LR I understand that they didn't JUST change the lines. I believe this configuration to have been set earlier i
92 EPA001: I also think PM gave a reasonable explanation for this fact! As Astuteman was referring to the "thought police", we should send the A-net "early disc
93 Moo: Am I the only one that distinctly remembers the actual change occuring some months ago, with lots of speculation here on A.net and on FlightGlobal as
94 HapppyLandings: Most of you must date widebody women, because all I hear is Airbus this and Boeing that, along with some DC-10's and L1011's, so few have mentioned CO
95 Tdscanuck: I remember a change happening some months ago, but I don't recall it being the same as this one. They've rolled the nose multiple times and I'm losin
96 Moo: I wouldn't say they've rolled the nose multiple times - they went from the RayBand evil nose to the six window version, which is this version. Hence
97 AustrianZRH: Don't you insult all our girlfriends! . But I agree, the Concorde is one of the best looking (if not THE best looking) passenger airplanes ever made,
98 TriniA340: So is this the same nose as on the Emirates pics, but from a different angle? Cuz I think the EK nose looked awesome!
99 MadameConcorde: This is a great idea. I will have 14 Concordes made just the same as the ones that were retired in 2003. I'd rather see all of them given to BA. Barb
100 HapppyLandings: LOL!! No insults intended. I just like them "Slim and Beautiful"
102 MIAMIx707: kudos to you and your supersonic inflatable girlfriends
103 Stitch: She is in a class by herself. We wouldn't insult her by mixing her in with the riff-raff.
104 WesternA318: *gasp* Say it isnt so, we actually agree on something jacob!?!?
105 JoeCanuck: The 727-200...best looking commercial bird ever...in the history of ever.
106 MD-90: 773ER in Boeing's house colors for that airframe was anything but bland. I'm not sure of the love for the A300. I always thought it looked pretty chu
107 Hloutweg: Reading some good documents on Airbus vs Boeing competition, I became curious of what's happening at Airbus' page these days, and bam! I noticed they
108 ContnlEliteCMH: I really believe it. Perhaps you've been staring at airplanes so long that you can no longer separate airliners from women. The L-1011 was no DC-10!
109 EPA001: You are correct there! Nevertheless I liked the design of DC-10 (and the MD-11). But I also liked and still do the L-1011 quite a bit better then the
110 Shamrock350: These are the latest images from Airbus.com They're slightly different looking again.
111 SpeedBirdA380: Looking at the middle picture the nose actually reminds me a bit of Concorde.
112 WINGS: That sure is a HUGE improvement. Glad to see the visual aspect of the A350XWB improving. Take a look at those wings. Airbus sure knows how to make th
113 AustrianZRH: You beat me by 1 min 52 sec . Now that's one good looking plane, much better than the one published by flightglobal.com cited in the thread starter!
114 EPA001: Yup, this looks better! I agree! Also the wings look quite spectacular! I am sure WINGS will be very happy to see that! But when is the published des
115 RJ111: New airliners look so pap now. The 787, A380, A350 all of them to weird to me. Give me a conserative looking 767 or A343. I kinda like that slightly u
116 Baroque: Naughty Airbus with a metric thrust of "74,000 lb. slst" Oops. But they are nice wings, Wings, and big ones too!
117 EA772LR: Holy smokes! That is beautiful... What a nice improvement. I hope that Airbus keeps this design. Absolutely beautiful!
118 PGNCS: It comes down to making money. Whatever is most efficient in the total scheme of things will get built. Only a tiny minority of people book flights b
119 DocLightning: Imagine how it felt to watch the last 727 get retired...
120 BlueSky1976: Nice front. Nice fuselage. Nice wings. Ugly wingtips. They look like taken off the Discus-2 sailplane. Hopefully they look a little better in the real
122 Stitch: And in an aesthetically-positive direction, at that.
123 Kaneporta1: They will!!! The Trent XWB never had chevrons.
124 RJ111: It's hard to tell really from a few generated images and i even if you find them ugly now you get used to them. Believe it or not i used to think the
125 TriniA340: Relief! Not quite as nice as the original XWB designs, but wayyyyyyyy better than what I saw on Flight Global. I do like it....
126 Aclco: in the last graphics released, to make the A350 look better, the airbus' ad team only photoshopped the various windows frames painting them black.. yo
127 Dalavia: Yes, these are a world of improvement over the FlightGlobal images. The black front window frames are a huge aesthetic improvement. And yet, these are
129 WINGS: Need I say more? I'll say it again. Airbus sure know how to make the best looking wings in the industry. Both in terms of looks and performance. Rega
130 EPA001: Especially the A380 wings are the best looking I have ever seen! When you view the A380 head-on, the looks are so stunning! I just can not get enough
132 Revelation: Ugh! The long sweeping wings of the A380 only accenuate its stubby, chubby fuselage. Maybe the A380-900 will be long enough to help rectify that. And
133 EPA001: Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the wingtip fences were necessary to stay inside the 80 x 80 meters maximum dimensions for this plane
136 Oa260: Totally agree The A350XWB will look equally as good.
137 Vasu: Both Boeing and Airbus make lovely wings, ok...? Doesn't matter if you're from the US or Europe! haha
138 Jambrain: is there any chance of GE making an engine offering in the current climate or are RR going to get a free ride for the foreseeable future?
139 MIAMIx707: Another boring twinjet but at least it has good proportion and not the fat, ungainly winbox bulge or the oversized square tail like the A330-200, so i
140 PM: I keep reading things like this. I understand that trijets and quads add(ed) variety but I can't agree that any plane is "boring" because it has a si
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