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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

I could spot AirTran's 717s in DAB for some time in the past, however it loooks like they cut ATL-DAB.

Does anybody know how their Load Factors were on that route?

Thanks!


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Bad.

No, seriously...I don't think the load factors were that terrible. FL just felt that DAB wasn't worth it. But that's okay, no one at DAB liked FL anyways.  Silly


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Interesting. I wonder if they will ever come back seasonal? When I have attended both Daytona races, I saw a significant amount of AirTran 717's taking off.

I remember Delta used to bring 767's into DAB during race week. Anybody know if they still do?

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4111 times:
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Generally they do not. They do some up conversion of RJs to MD-88, MD-88s to 738/752s, but it is generally small moves.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4110 times:



Quoting Typhaerion (Reply 3):
They do some up conversion of RJs to MD-88, MD-88s to 738/752s, but it is generally small moves.

Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year? I can't remember, but I think they had planned to at one point.



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4026 times:



Quote:
Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year? I can't remember, but I think they had planned to at one point.

Most of the Nascar teams are based in the CLT area so that would make sense.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3981 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year? I can't remember, but I think they had planned to at one point.

If memory serves this is accurate...



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7180 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3924 times:

They were pretty bad starting in Jan '08. They fell 12 to 17 points behind MCO. The only time they were good was from Apr 07 to Dec 07. I would guess that FL needs a 73-76 BELF to make money to Florida because fares are so low.

Air Tran LFs to all destinations. DAB is the first number and MCO is the second.

DAB MCO
Jan-07 51.32 66.10
Feb-07 61.82 76.72
Mar-07 71.90 82.69
Apr-07 79.35 80.76
May-07 87.19 74.50
Jun-07 89.57 78.39
Jul-07 88.38 81.46
Aug-07 84.97 80.58
Sep-07 70.31 64.05
Oct-07 83.54 77.98
Nov-07 76.62 75.84
Dec-07 73.71 72.55
Jan-08 58.65 70.70
Feb-08 62.41 81.24
Mar-08 67.83 80.21
Apr-08 62.18 75.51
May-08 61.93 78.41


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3867 times:



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
Interesting. I wonder if they will ever come back seasonal? When I have attended both Daytona races, I saw a significant amount of AirTran 717's taking off.

I'd say no. At first they were going to, but then backed outta that.

And the reason you saw so many 717s was because the weekend of the 2008 Daytona 500 FL up'ed their schedule from 2 daily to 4 daily (5 on Sat). That went down to 3 after a month, then down to 1 after another month. Then gone.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I remember Delta used to bring 767's into DAB during race week. Anybody know if they still do?

Not after 2005. I believe 06 and 07 brought nothing more then 738s. But this year (2008) we had multiple 757s that weekend, then they gave us an overnight 757 for the month of April.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year? I can't remember, but I think they had planned to at one point.

Negative. They had it scheduled, but removed it before Feb. My guess is that they didn't want to compete with US and their multiple 737s to/from CLT.

However, LGA was added for 2 months or so, and there were some weekend CVG flights.


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

BTW, where all cab we fly from DAB non stop?

I can only find Charlotte



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2678 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3756 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 9):
BTW, where all cab we fly from DAB non stop?

I can only find Charlotte

US flies to CLT 3x daily with CRJ/CR7, and DL to ATL 5-6x daily with a mix of CR7s and MD80s. CO, UA and FL have all gone in the past 2 years, and it doesn't look like anyone else is coming to DAB anytime soon.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3700 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 10):
CO, UA and FL have all gone in the past 2 years, and it doesn't look like anyone else is coming to DAB anytime soon.

CO will be back seasonally with it's daily (and extra weekend) EWR flight.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3598 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8):
Negative. They had it scheduled, but removed it before Feb. My guess is that they didn't want to compete with US and their multiple 737s to/from CLT.

US flies Express only to CLT. No mainline. The CLTDAB route was restarted last year after being discontinued for ten years. US closed ABQ, AUS, CVG, DAB, MLB, SWF, and SAT as mainline stations on September 3, 1997.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3519 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
US flies Express only to CLT. No mainline.

We were talking about the weekend of the Daytona 500 (2008) where US brought in multiple mainline 737s. 18 to be exact.  Silly


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2678 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):
CO will be back seasonally with it's daily (and extra weekend) EWR flight.

Excellent news. You know the exact date they'll be back? Hopefully it's before Riddle lets out so I can go home on someone that isn't DL or US.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3428 times:



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I remember Delta used to bring 767's into DAB during race week. Anybody know if they still do?

Biggest I've seen is a 752.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year?

US ran a DAB-CLT flight with a 733. I don't think DL has ever run a DAB-CLT flight.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3413 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):


Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I remember Delta used to bring 767's into DAB during race week. Anybody know if they still do?

Biggest I've seen is a 752.

They brought in a 767 in 2005 and a couple different years before that. See reply 8.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Didn't they also run a DAB-CLT flight (IIRC on a MD-88 or 738) for the Daytona 500 this year?

US ran a DAB-CLT flight with a 733. I don't think DL has ever run a DAB-CLT flight.

-Mir

Not this year, but they have in the past.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

With the downturn of the economy, DAB load factors fell off. And, our company needed to cut some of it's least profitable stations. Sadly, DAB was a casulty. It was the weakest link in our otherwise strong Florida service. And, with the land of Mickey being a reasonable distance, DAB was prime for the cut. Hopefully maybe someday down the line when the economy turns around maybe service to DAB could resume.


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 5):
Most of the Nascar teams are based in the CLT area so that would make sense.

Most of the NASCAR teams have their own planes - ever notice the 727s, Saab 2000s, Emb 120s that are in and out of DAB during race week? Anyone that doesn't have their own plane charters a few aircraft - I have seen USA Jet, Falcon, Ameriflight, Kalitta and Blue Moon Aviation bringing in aircraft for team charters. This past year several teams chartered Express Jet E145s - some teams did sell their own personal aircraft since they found it cheaper to charter flights than to own an aircraft and deal with maintenance and crew costs.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I remember Delta used to bring 767's into DAB during race week. Anybody know if they still do?

In all the years since 2004 that I have been attending the races I never saw anything bigger than a 757 brought in. Delta brought in 767-400s though when the Superbowl was in Jackson - the Patriots flew on a DL 767-400 out of DAB.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 10):
US flies to CLT 3x daily with CRJ/CR7, and DL to ATL 5-6x daily with a mix of CR7s and MD80s. CO, UA and FL have all gone in the past 2 years, and it doesn't look like anyone else is coming to DAB anytime soon.

I was aware of UAL pulling out of DAB after a little over a year, but didn't know COA pulled out.

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 13):
We were talking about the weekend of the Daytona 500 (2008) where US brought in multiple mainline 737s.

Multiple 737s for Daytona 500? I was there spotting on Saturday (Busch) and Sunday (500) and I just saw Emb-175s

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 17):
With the downturn of the economy, DAB load factors fell off. And, our company needed to cut some of it's least profitable stations. Sadly, DAB was a casulty. It was the weakest link in our otherwise strong Florida service. And, with the land of Mickey being a reasonable distance, DAB was prime for the cut. Hopefully maybe someday down the line when the economy turns around maybe service to DAB could resume.

The big thing is the housing market collapsing. Daytona was supposed to be the next West Palm Beach (yeah I know people are laughing since it is a Redneck Riviera), but they were trying to shed the Redneck and Springbreak image and rediculously build high rises up and down the beach that would be going for $500K or more. The idea was if people were buying $500K condos on A-1A they wouldn't be concerned about saving $200 by driving 60 miles each way to MCO and flying WN etc, they would want a close convenient airport like DAB so they could fly to see families in the Northeast and Great Lakes region where most of Florida originated from.

For years JBU was supposed to fly JFK-DAB with E190s, infact it was supposed to be one of their first destinations when they got the E190s - and their CEO was quoted as saying that is the route he was going to use the E190 on, yet this many years later and still no JBU at DAB.


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3212 times:



Quote:
Most of the NASCAR teams have their own planes - ever notice the 727s, Saab 2000s, Emb 120s that are in and out of DAB during race week? Anyone that doesn't have their own plane charters a few aircraft - I have seen USA Jet, Falcon, Ameriflight, Kalitta and Blue Moon Aviation bringing in aircraft for team charters. This past year several teams chartered Express Jet E145s - some teams did sell their own personal aircraft since they found it cheaper to charter flights than to own an aircraft and deal with maintenance and crew costs.

Yup, I knew that. BTW, Who's your driver?

It was back around 2000-01 when I saw the 767's for the race.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3182 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
In all the years since 2004 that I have been attending the races I never saw anything bigger than a 757 brought in. Delta brought in 767-400s though when the Superbowl was in Jackson - the Patriots flew on a DL 767-400 out of DAB.

Your right! Forgot that was for the bowl and not the race. Like Delta767-400ER just said, it was back in 2000-1 when the 767s were in for the race.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
I was aware of UAL pulling out of DAB after a little over a year, but didn't know COA pulled out.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3966476

See reply 25 for reason why. Like what's stated above, they'll be back seasonally (last I heard at least)

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
Multiple 737s for Daytona 500? I was there spotting on Saturday (Busch) and Sunday (500) and I just saw Emb-175s

They weren't going in and out on Sat and Sun, LOL. No point on doing that when everyone's already in DAB. There were 3 turns + 1 ron on Thursday. 4 turns + 1 ron on Friday (left Sat morning). Then 1 turn + 1 ron on Sunday. 5 turns + 1 ron on Monday. And one last turn on Tuesday. There were some 175s thrown in there as well. You certainly missed out  Wink Here are a few from my friends Billy and Jon:


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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3167 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
The big thing is the housing market collapsing. Daytona was supposed to be the next West Palm Beach (yeah I know people are laughing since it is a Redneck Riviera),

An interesting sidebar: When we had the DAB flights, we had more disabled people needing wheelchairs and those dreaded aisle chairs! Who knew? When I think of Daytona Beach, I think of hot trashy women peeing in the streets from too many keg parties and NASCAR good old boys and girls. Our DAB flights into BWI had as many if not more wheelchairs than our rolling champ RSW! Only thing that comes even close are LAS flights. Seems, when folks lose in LAS they wheel off the plane in BWI or wherever their final destination.




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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3125 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
This past year several teams chartered Express Jet E145s - some teams did sell their own personal aircraft since they found it cheaper to charter flights than to own an aircraft and deal with maintenance and crew costs.

Several teams, even some of those that own planes, do fly some folks on commercial flights. I've been aware of media types and folks associated with NASCAR itself using commercial flights between CLT and race sites around race weekend, as well. There's no question that the demand for commercial service to and from CLT is more than just fans.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3100 times:



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 19):
Yup, I knew that. BTW, Who's your driver?

It was back around 2000-01 when I saw the 767's for the race.

Surprising as it may seem despite my name, I am not a huge NASCAR race fan. I know more what their aircraft look like than their cars. I would probably say Mark Martin though, since he is a local boy here- lives in Spruce Creek, flies a CJ-2+

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 20):
They weren't going in and out on Sat and Sun, LOL. No point on doing that when everyone's already in DAB. There were 3 turns + 1 ron on Thursday. 4 turns + 1 ron on Friday (left Sat morning). Then 1 turn + 1 ron on Sunday. 5 turns + 1 ron on Monday. And one last turn on Tuesday. There were some 175s thrown in there as well. You certainly missed out Here are a few from my friends Billy and Jon:

I thought I had heard of USAirways 737-300/400s showing up at DAB for race week. I was actually happier to see the E175s - that was my first time seeing E175s in US colors at the time. I live on approach to 18R at MCO so I see US 737s all the time.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
Several teams, even some of those that own planes, do fly some folks on commercial flights. I've been aware of media types and folks associated with NASCAR itself using commercial flights between CLT and race sites around race weekend, as well.

When I went to Riddle and worked for Riddle at DAB, there was talk about Richard Petty coming in on a Delta flight and the deputies that work there were supposed to meet him at the gate, but we never saw him.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3047 times:



Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 23):
When I went to Riddle and worked for Riddle at DAB, there was talk about Richard Petty coming in on a Delta flight and the deputies that work there were supposed to meet him at the gate, but we never saw him.

Part of the problem with DAB specifically is that folks who stay the night after the race tend to do so in Orlando and therefore fly back from MCO. The early Monday morning FL and US flights are great flights on which to spot luminaries.



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25 NASCARAirforce : Well I found it odd that they said that Petty was coming on a Delta flight when I saw his Westwind parked at Sheltair.
26 DeltaRules : I was in the stands for the 500 & saw a 733 take off behind the backstretch. Interestingly, I also saw one of the Star Alliance 757s in the night aft
27 B777ER : Funny, anytime DAB is mentioned, the redneck games, errr, I mean NASCAR is brought up and that bloody race. Let me tell you all, the only exciting thi
28 Frequentflyer : Thanks for the good discussion guys; and for the stats, Enilria. ... I cannot help but ask whether anybody here knows how US is doing on CLT-DAB? Any
29 DeltaRules : I saw the mythical B6 E-190 at DAB one day in late June that was diverted due to wx at MCO. So at least DAB can say that B6 was in town.
30 Pilotboi : And once in a great while the wx will allow for 4 or 5 aircraft. 6/25/08: 5 aircraft. 1/19/08: 5 aircraft. Yea, but capacity has decreased significan
31 RL757PVD : Is LTU still one of the options? we used to go have fun at gate 6 with different airlines/destinations. I recall putting up a AA flight to LYH on the
32 AdamWright : What the hell is LYH and why would anyone ever want to fly there? Do they even get airline service?
33 Pilotboi : Nope. If I can recall correctly: Delta, Continental, AirTran, United, US Airways, and JetBlue.
34 RL757PVD : I think AA, Gulfstream, Air Canada, and Air Transat, and maybe one other used to also be on there. I have no idea... but the person I was with wanted
35 Cubsrule : Lynchburg Regional Airport, Virginia (though you could have learned that from the mouseover...). They get EV CRJs to ATL and EN DH3s to CLT. My guess
36 FlyDeltaJets87 : The overnight 757 continued from after the Daytona 500 up through at least April - I came back on the overnight 757 when I came back home from Spring
37 RL757PVD : That was an inside joke actually as for the city name on the board, there were thousands of cities to choose from.
38 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Wouldn't have anything to do with fellow ERAU grad, a.netter, and photographer AdamWright, would it?   [Edited 2008-09-30 14:38:02]
39 Pilotboi : I spoke of the worng month in my previous post. It was the month of March where we had the overnight 757s. But there was a time between the weekend o
40 NASCARAirforce : NASCAR events are the only time anything exciting happens at DAB - tons of corporate jets - to 727s hauling pit crews, upsized airliners to handle th
41 UN_B732 : Delta definitely ran one DAB-CLT section this year for the Daytona 500 on the MD-88. I remember it clearly. DL also did LGA with an MD-88 if I recall
42 PanAm330 : They ran LGA with a CRJ-200 as a knee-jerk reaction to FL's LGA non-stop. It was scheduled as a CR9, then CR7, then finally flew with a -200. And now
43 Pilotboi : Sorry to get you down, but wrong and wrong. We never had a flight that was direct to/from CLT. Trust me, I worked that entire weekend. There were sev
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