Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4036 times:
According to the article, the Jamaican authorities approached Aeromexico about this possibility. I guess the Jamaicans are after the Chinese tourists, seeing as Aeromexico now flies to Shanghai.
My assumption (and please correct me if I'm wrong), due to Visa issues, it would be difficult for Jamaica to attract Chinese tourists via the United States. However, bringing them via Mexico would involve 3 flights, Shanghai-Tijuana-Mexico City (or Cancun)-Kingston.
As far as business links between Mexico and Jamaica, well I don't think there are many. Don't know what to think about these flights.
any opinions, suggestions, disagreements are welcome.
While this was discussed in the Caribbean Thread, i think it is noteworthy enough to have its own thread. Hopefully the flight will infact come to fruition in January.
Basically, I applaud the Jamaica tourist board for going after the Chinese market, it's really a no brainer given the size of the population and the amount of money in China at the moment. However, I do not think that Mexico is the right transit point. Many of my fellow Caribbean posters disagree with my point of view, however my feeling is that they should have simply codeshared with Air China or someone from LAX as JM already flies to LAX. Additionally they could have codeahred through other destinations in the US as well (not only LAX but wherever else JMand eg. Air China fly). The visa issue to me is a small part of the problem. Many Chinese tourists visit the USA and so obtaining a visa isn't impossible. In the same breath, since tourism in China is Government controlled, I would imagine the getting a visa is a slightly different and perhaps better organized process than we in the Caribbean might know.
As I have said before, for me the numbers just don't seem to make sense.
Hypothetical. AM flies 3x? a week to Shanghai. The 777-200 seats 300pax? That's 900 seats a week. If AM flew into Jamaica once per week with a 150 seater that's 1/6th of the total China-Mexico traffic that would go to Jamaica. Even worse is the fact that the link will only happn on one day so essentially it is half the flight from Shanghai to Mexico will go to Jamaica. The numbers just seem unrealistic.
As you quite rightly said there is little or no business and even fewer VFR links so no other way to fill up the MEX-JAM flight. I think Jamaica was better of codesharing via the US or Europe.
Of course this is just my view and i respect the views of the other members.
I wish this flight all the successes possible, but my prediction is that it won't last 6 months!
“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6009 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
And my 2 cents worth: perhaps Jamaica, not being a US destination, might be exempt from the usual and very important feature of AM route rumors/proposals/expectations (to the US anyway): most of the time, the service never materializes -- not a single flight is ever flown! (Applications are submitted AND approved but that's as far as it goes folks...)
That being said, Jamaica seems like a stretch as a big Chinese-travel destination (the Chinese tourist would certainly be flying over many, many beautiful resort areas to go halfway around the world to end up in the Caribbean), especially when considering the number of hours required to make the trip. Sure, the world travelers who have been every place else (read: closer) would make the trip but the market to support MEX-KIN service seems inadequate at best. (If there were a local market for Mexico-Jamaica to help fill the a/c, fine, but I really don't think there's much there either.)
To me it seems like, say, the Seychelles as a destination for US travelers; sure, there are some who have been every place else first and are still willing and able to fly that distance for a week on a new beach... But enough to support a non-locally supported flight? I don't think so.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1): Sorry to bust your bubble, but this is already being discussed ad nauseam in the rapid fire Caribbean Thread.....they are averaging 70 posts a day!
You're not bursting anyone's buble my friend. No worries
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2): Basically, I applaud the Jamaica tourist board for going after the Chinese market, it's really a no brainer given the size of the population and the amount of money in China at the moment. However, I do not think that Mexico is the right transit point. Many of my fellow Caribbean posters disagree with my point of view, however my feeling is that they should have simply codeshared with Air China or someone from LAX as JM already flies to LAX. Additionally they could have codeahred through other destinations in the US as well (not only LAX but wherever else JMand eg. Air China fly). The visa issue to me is a small part of the problem.
Disagree, the Visa issue is big problem for many tourists, Canada is probably the same thing.
However, I agree Mexico is not the most appropiate transit point, going from China to Jamaica (via Mexico) will require at least 3 flights. I don't think people from China will get on 3 flights (one of them 14+ hours long) to see the beach. Might as well go to Guam or Hawaii. Obviously there will be a small percentage of locals from both countries taking the flights.
According to the article, it sounds like these flights will really happen
MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
Anyone know for how long did Mexicana had it's Mexico City-Kingston flight?
The Chinese tourists are a good idea, but I'm sure there can be much more than that if we're able to figure out what kind of market did Mexicana had back then. Mexican tourists to Jamaica? Jamaican tourists to Mexico?
Since then sure was one, Jamaica will be mostly benefited by not only the Chinese and Japanese markets, but by the Central and South American ones as the USA, specifically Miami, can be avoided through TIJ, MEX... CUN?
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
Do Chinese need visas for México?
Do Jamaicans need visas for México?
I see all efforts Jamaica is doing to get tourist to the island, but to rely on AM thrice weekly MEX-TIJ-PVG to try to get the Chinese to the island is a bit far-fetched, but stil more realistic than a weekly/bi-weekly PEK/PVG-ANC-MBJ charter.
These are the nationalities that have visa free access to Mexico:
"Si eres nacional de Alemania, Andorra, Argentina, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bélgica, Bahamas, Bulgaria, Canadá, Chipre, Corea del Sur, Costa Rica, Dinamarca, Eslovaquia, Eslovenia, España, Estados Unidos de América, Estonia, Finlandia, Francia, Gran Bretaña, Grecia, Hungría, Hong Kong, Irlanda, Islandia, Israel, Italia, Japón, Letonia, Liechtenstein, Lituania, Luxemburgo, Malta, Mónaco, Noruega, Nueva Zelanda, Países Bajos, Panamá, Polonia, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Rumania, San Marino, Singapur, Suecia, Suiza, Uruguay y Venezuela, podrás internarte a México sin necesidad de visa, presentando tu pasaporte y la "Forma Migratoria de Turista, Transmigrante, Visitante persona de negocios o Visitante consejero", que puedes obtener en agencias de viaje, líneas aéreas o en el propio punto de internación a México.."
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7938 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
How colorful! I would be among the first to fly MEX-KIN or CUN-KIN or whatever if AM launches this flight, but I don't think this will or should happen. It just won't work in my opinion. I applaud, though, the initiative of the Jamaican tourism authorities and that AM is willing to evaluate all types of proposals for new markets.
PVG-TIJ-MEX-KIN with AM would be a very exotic route and the dream of many a.netters... two sectors on a 772ER and one perhaps on an E-190. Let the (fantasy) trip reports be posted.
Next flights: MEX-AMS KL 74M | AMS-PRG KL E90 | PRG-CDG AF A320 | CDG-MEX AM 788
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3593 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8): How colorful! I would be among the first to fly MEX-KIN or CUN-KIN or whatever if AM launches this flight, but I don't think this will or should happen. It just won't work in my opinion. I applaud, though, the initiative of the Jamaican tourism authorities and that AM is willing to evaluate all types of proposals for new markets.
I agree Eddie, I don't think Aeromexico will launch Kingston, and if they, I don't think it would work, but the fact that they took the time to look at Jamaica makes me happy. 5 years ago, they would've never even considered it.