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B6 E190's Going To Azul  
User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

This is a story that I actually wrote at work as a financial reporter. It was picked up by a Brazilian aviation community and the people are commenting like crazy.

Interesting, none the less and good to write. All rights reserved



JetBlue Executes Leases For 2 Embraer 190 Aircraft-Agência Dow Jones International News,18/Sep/2008,Thursday

JetBlue Airways Corp. (JBLU) said Thursday that it reached agreements to lease two of its Embraer 190 aircraft to be operated by Azul Linhas Aereas Brasileiras SA.

JetBlue also said it has executed an agreement to sell four new E190's, produced by Brazil's Embraer Brazilian Aviation Co. (ERJ), according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The four aircraft are scheduled for delivery to JetBlue in the first quarter of 2009 and are to be delivered to the third party immediately after, subject to contingencies including lease negotiations, according to the filing.

All of the aircraft are expected to be operated by Azul Linhas Aereas Brasileiras SA, or Azul Brazilian Airlines, founded by JetBlue's founder and former Chief Executive David G. Neeleman.

[Edited 2008-09-25 20:07:21]

[Edited 2008-09-25 20:07:34]


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User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Wow, first they sell ALOT of A320's and now they start selling the plane they love so much in the E190. This is one thing I dont miss about working at B6. Working at MCO it always looked like a used car lot for A320's. They would come in two or three at a time to the hangar to get stripped down...

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

ALOT? I love the drama....

They have been selling aircraft, yes - but so have other airlines - and other airlines have been retiring tons of planes too....

It's a GOOD thing.


User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3296 times:



Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 2):
It's a GOOD thing.

LOL. Ok. Sure


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

It's called managing capacity in a way that makes the company money. A few years ago when we opened 16 new cities in a 12 month period, there was no question...we needed every plane that we had in the fleet and every one that was rolling off the factory line. Now, with only a few new cities opening per year and a shift in fleet diversification and usage, the amount of aircraft in the fleet has to be managed.

So, sell off some of the aging 320's at a premium and some of the 190's that are rolling off the line at a very good premium while keeping the production slots. Until the economy stabilizes a bit, this is not a bad thing. It helps the airline's cash position, which helps it secure other things like financing for new aircraft and fuel hedges, while reducing how much is potentially lost due to having assets sitting around not making money.

~H81



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 1):
Wow, first they sell ALOT of A320's and now they start selling the plane they love so much in the E190. This is one thing I dont miss about working at B6.

Okay tell us what you have against B6 personally?

Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 1):
Working at MCO it always looked like a used car lot for A320's. They would come in two or three at a time to the hangar to get stripped down...

A used car lot of A320s? Can you explain this a bit more?

Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 1):
first they sell ALOT of A320's and now they start selling the plane they love so much in the E190.


Based on B6's large fleet and standing orders how many aircraft is "a lot" to you?

A388

[Edited 2008-09-26 07:48:21]

User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Okay tell us what you have against B6 personally?

Nothing at all. I used to work for them. They are a great airline and I learned alot from them.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
A used car lot of A320s? Can you explain this a bit more?

It was a joke. You could see the hangar from our ramp at MCO and they would come in and get stripped down to be sold and at certain points there would be 4 or 5 at a time that were stripped down and being sold off. Thats why I said it looked like a used A320 lot.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
How many aircraft is "a lot" to you?

It all depends on how many A/C the airline has in there fleet. If AA sold 30 A/C that isn't alot because they still have more than 500 or 600 A/C. When Jetblue sells 30 it is alot because they dont have alot of A/C in the first place. I dont mean that in a negative way.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

More information here:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4140142/

Rgs,


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

4 or 5 at a time? You make it sound like they have sold tons of planes!! You are overly dramatic.

JetBlue has 106 A320's - the largest A320 operator in the world. They have 70 additional on order. They currently have 35 E190's with 65 more on order (and options for 100 more).

Can you tell me how many A320's they have sold? Did you know that at the hanger in MCO they also remove Live TV from other airlines aircraft before they get sold as well?

Get your facts straight before you make mis-statements.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

A bit unrelated to the topic but to B6 employees or those who know!!

I just have one question with the opening of the new JFK terminal does it mean that I can walk through the TWA terminal as well?

Regards
BWIA 772



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Any idea if they've designated specific E190s (i.e. registration) to go?


Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2445 times:



Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
4 or 5 at a time? You make it sound like they have sold tons of planes!! You are overly dramatic.

JetBlue has 106 A320's - the largest A320 operator in the world. They have 70 additional on order. They currently have 35 E190's with 65 more on order (and options for 100 more).

Can you tell me how many A320's they have sold?

This is also kind of where I was getting to with my post. I don't know if B6 indeed has the largest A320 fleet but they sure do have a large fleet so I get your point. Now that we are talking about the A320, how many A320s do US and NW have?

A388


User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2389 times:



Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
Get your facts straight before you make mis-statements

Alright smart guy....How many A320's have they sold then?

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
Did you know that at the hanger in MCO they also remove Live TV from other airlines aircraft before they get sold as well?

Yes I did but I guess what gave it away that it was that the A320's that were sitting over there where blue and white with the words Jetblue being taken off the side...That was kinda what told me it was Jetblues airplane and not another. Do you have anymore good questions for me? LMAO


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2373 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 10):
Any idea if they've designated specific E190s (i.e. registration) to go?

The best I know jetBlue is not pulling any aircraft from the fleet. They are only giving Azul their next delivery slots. One aircraft, N289JB was already in the process of being delivered, but was shifted over to Azul....



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineIsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2248 times:



Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 12):
Alright smart guy....How many A320's have they sold then?

JetBlue has sold 13 A320's -

N507JB
N508JB
N513JB
N522JB
N526JB
N527JB
N531JB
N533JB
N543JB
N544JB
N546JB
N550JB
N582JB

The following 3 will be leaving the fleet shortly -

N556JB - 9/30
N548JB - 10/14
N581 - 11/3

Total of 16 total frames. While these sales have been going on, JB has continued to take delivery of A320 frames. The number of A/C currently in the fleet after all these sales are completed is only 4 less than the highest # of A320 JB has ever had.


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2225 times:



Quoting Isp (Reply 14):

N507JB
N508JB
N513JB
N522JB
N526JB
N527JB
N531JB
N533JB
N543JB
N544JB
N546JB
N550JB
N582JB

N528JB, N537JB, N542JB and N553JB are also sold to other operators (Blue Wings or TAM).

There was never a plane with the registration N513JB! This immatriculation was only shown on the plane with the c/n 1802 - the correct registration was N542JB.

Never heard of the sale of the N582JB, she still owns and operate by jetBlue: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...t=582JB&cmndfind.x=7&cmndfind.y=11

N550JB is not yet delivered to TAM as PR-MBY. I don't know, when the it would be.

Quoting Isp (Reply 14):
The following 3 will be leaving the fleet shortly -

N556JB - 9/30
N548JB - 10/14
N581 - 11/3

N546JB will leave the fleet for Blue Wings together with N564JB and N566JB. And N550JB will delivered soon to TAM. No idea about the N548JB and N581JB.

So, we have now 14 A320 which have leave the fleet of jetBlue and four or six will follow soon.


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