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Australian Aviation Thread 19  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2003 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19102 times:

In thread 19 we discussed:

* AirAsiaX to Melbourne
* Other Melbourne changes
* Minerology's MD82's have VP regs
* Charters were brought up...
* V Australia's 77W
* Virgin Blue to base a couple of EMB190's in Perth
* Routes for the EMB190's
* Tiger's Adelaide base announced
* New Polynesian Blue and Virgin Blue Pacific routes announced
* Jetstar to Bali
* The first Qantas A380 arrives

Elsewhere, the Qantas 777 talk rages on and Qantas attempts to distinguish itself from a virgin by claiming it is the most experienced airline.


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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19069 times:

Qantas reveals connectivity plans for A380s, A330s and 767s

In addition to Qantas' A380 offerings of in-seat communications (sadly, now appearing as cached internet content rather than full internet access) Qantas will be installing the AeroMobile system in 767's and A332's for domestic and trans-Tasman use. This will give passengers SMS and GPRS (eg BlackBerry and data) communications.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19044 times:



Quoting Allrite (Reply 1):

So... I can access everything (bar some blocked stuff) on my laptop while flying?


User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 19037 times:

Just seen the A380 doing some low turns over the eastern subburbs of Melbourne this afternoon. it is the first time I have seen it in flight Big grin

B727-200.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18939 times:



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
V Australia's 77W

Seems the 77W maqy be delayed due to the Beoing strikes.... Was in SMH today


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18858 times:



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
So... I can access everything (bar some blocked stuff) on my laptop while flying?

Not according to this article - at least on the A380. A full internet service is scheduled "later in 2009". I'm guessing technical issues rather than concerns over content - see this article.

I don't know whether the Aeromobile service can be easily filtered or not. According to this document on the Aeromobile site each aircraft is like a "country in the sky" so you need to have global roaming enabled!

In order to access the net on a laptop via the Aeromobile service you would need to have a GPRS compatible card or (more commonly) connect it to your mobile phone (eg Bluetooth or USB). GPRS data calls are expensive in Australia - I don't want to think what it would cost with roaming enabled if you intend to browse the web. Plus it's not *that* fast either.

The A380 uses the OnAir system and I believe it is designed that you can just plug in your laptop via ethernet or WiFi to hook into the net. As mentioned above, full internet access is not yet possible.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18787 times:



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
V Australia's 77W

We can only hope this comes in on time, otherwise they're so going to miss Christmas...

I wouldn't want to be a passenger with a confirmed booking between 15 December and Christmas right now on Virgin. It's not like it's going to be easy to put the pax onto other flights leaving for the USA at that time...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 18698 times:



Quote:
Melbourne Los Angeles QF93, 94 On selected flights from 20 October 2008 - Service departs Mondays from 20 October and Wednesdays from 7 January

Sydney Los Angeles QF11, 12 On selected flights from 24 October 2008 - Service departs Fridays from 24 October and Wednesdays and Sundays from 4 January

I question why only 2 return flights a week with the first plane? If you just ran MEL-LAX you could do 3pw, and I can't see how the SYD flights prevent doing that.

Quoting Allrite (Reply 5):
GPRS (is not that fast)

Isn't that technology 9600 baud? That's exceedingly slow. In practice probably about 1/4 the speed of the average dial up connection.


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18657 times:



Quoting B727-200 (Reply 3):
Just seen the A380 doing some low turns over the eastern subburbs of Melbourne this afternoon. it is the first time I have seen it in flight Big grin

Lucky you  Wink bet she looked nice inflight  Smile

I just saw the QANTAS A380 on the ADL website webcam, was anyone in ADL to see it? or get any photos?



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User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18625 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 7):
I question why only 2 return flights a week with the first plane? If you just ran MEL-LAX you could do 3pw, and I can't see how the SYD flights prevent doing that.

Yes I thought the same, it's obviously a very conservative timetable for OQA. I presume QF just want to hedge their bets a little, and not go too hard with a brand new aircraft, operating the longest 2 commercial routes any A380 has operated/will be operating for some time.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 4):
Seems the 77W may be delayed due to the Beoing strikes.... Was in SMH today



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
We can only hope this comes in on time, otherwise they're so going to miss Christmas...

I wouldn't want to be a passenger with a confirmed booking between 15 December and Christmas right now on Virgin. It's not like it's going to be easy to put the pax onto other flights leaving for the USA at that time...

Now that would be something... VA not having an aircraft, very few seats around over that period and QF putting the A380 on a special additional service to fill the gap. Fate is a strange thing...

GW



How good is it?
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18615 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 7):
I question why only 2 return flights a week with the first plane? If you just ran MEL-LAX you could do 3pw, and I can't see how the SYD flights prevent doing that.

You would think they would like to get it running as many services as possible once delivered. SQ had no issue getting there first A380 working 7 days a week.


User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18612 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):
You would think they would like to get it running as many services as possible once delivered. SQ had no issue getting there first A380 working 7 days a week.

Thats true, but on the other hand EK only did a few services with theirs before putting it in MX for a couple of days IIRC.



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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 18538 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 7):
Isn't that technology 9600 baud? That's exceedingly slow. In practice probably about 1/4 the speed of the average dial up connection.

No, it's up to about 115kb/s I think. Bah, who needs that speed anyway? I met my wife over a 2400 baud connection!  Smile



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User currently offlineQantasA333 From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 18481 times:



Quoting 747m8te (Reply 8):

Lucky you Wink bet she looked nice inflight Smile

I just saw the QANTAS A380 on the ADL website webcam, was anyone in ADL to see it? or get any photos?

Yes I was in ADL, had a front row view of the plane. Not as big as I though it would be! Very quiet compared to the 777 and 330 which took off before it. It's back in ADL early tomorrow night and another 12 times up until 17th October. I took some pictures on my phone, which aren't good quality.


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18449 times:

www.adelaidenow.com.au







User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18447 times:

Outstanding, thanks Tayser. God it's hot in QF colours!


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18314 times:



Quoting GarethW (Reply 11):
Thats true, but on the other hand EK only did a few services with theirs before putting it in MX for a couple of days IIRC.

Yeah - but I believe that was an issue to do with the showers  Smile


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18304 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 7):
I question why only 2 return flights a week with the first plane? If you just ran MEL-LAX you could do 3pw, and I can't see how the SYD flights prevent doing that.



Quoting ANstar (Reply 10):
You would think they would like to get it running as many services as possible once delivered. SQ had no issue getting there first A380 working 7 days a week.

QF, being the conservative bunch that they are, would probably want to give the A380 a fair amount of slack in the schedule to iron out any in service kinks prior to Xmas. Don't forget that SQ's first A380 only operated SIN-SYD which, if something went wrong, was not that far away from SQ's main base AND SQ could cover the capacity shortfall caused if the A380 went MX by re-booking pax on their 3 other services or QF/BA services. I'm sure they'll ramp up aircraft usage as more A380's arrive and they can schedule them all in a bit better.


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18301 times:

another great short of it climbing out of ADL:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...rbanSG/2890790677_4630b68d4d_o.jpg


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18244 times:



Quoting Allrite (Reply 12):
No, it's up to about 115kb/s I think. Bah, who needs that speed anyway? I met my wife over a 2400 baud connection!

Well, that's not quite as bad. But I'm not particularly happy with my allegedly 7.2Mbps connection mostly due to it's crappy latency and reliability.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18201 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 17):
Don't forget that SQ's first A380 only operated SIN-SYD which, if something went wrong, was not that far away from SQ's main base

and minor things did go wrong - glitch with towing bar, etc.


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18186 times:

The A380 looks amazing in QF colours - the 747 on the other hand looks awful

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18059 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 20):
and minor things did go wrong - glitch with towing bar, etc.

As they always do with these things. Better to have some slack in the schedule to allow for it to minimise disruptions.

NIce pics of the A380 in ADL too! Pity it wont be a regular scheduled thing.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18009 times:

Brisbane International's stylish refurbishment

Article & full gallery

All images are copyright brisbanetimes 2008









Very swish...

In other news

Rex Exits Mildura to Sydney

Source

Quote:
Regional Express (Rex) has announced that it will exit the Mildura to Sydney route from the 2nd of November 2008.

Rex General Manager, Network Strategy and Sales, Mr Warrick Lodge said, “Rex took the commercial decision to open up the Mildura to Sydney route back in 2002, however the 8000 annual passenger route has always been a marginal one.”

continues....



User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17952 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 23):
All images are copyright brisbanetimes 2008

Tan seats? Green carpet? It's a bit horrible...

I don't mind the bench seat type things, they look okay, but the single seats look quite crap to me.

Fair play for Brisbane giving it a go though!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
25 747m8te : Yes...um it actually appears quite retro, though not too bad, its a nice change from the usual airport lounges. The bench seats look good though, act
26 Zkpilot : I haven't read that article, but from an inside source I know, they said that they should still get the first aircraft operating on time (as they hav
27 ANstar : which will probably work for them as it sounds as if they are no where near to selling out their flights. Better to consolidate and run full than fly
28 Zkpilot : Exactly...what I don't get is why they didn't plan to start off 3x weekly in the first place?! Most airlines when they start a new route do so 3x wee
29 Alangirvan : A Qantas person told me that when you start a new route to America, Travel Agents are not so interested in flights that are less than daily frequency
30 VH-BZF : They will also continue to have crew and engineer training! As said above, they would prefer I'm sure to have slack in the timetable to allow for del
31 Pilotdude09 : hehehe, suprised they even have Adelaide on the flight computer!, not like anyone actually wants to go there
32 Alangirvan : Like the famous day in 1988 when a Qantas 747-300 diverted into Canberra Airport. Sydney Airport was closed because of storms, so the plane flew in d
33 Sydscott : Maybe if they canned all of the 737 morning services from SYD once a week and consolidated them all onto 1 A380 service we could see it.
34 Jetfuel : No souces quoted, no rumor. What are the odds we see Tiger pull out of Australia in late 2009?
35 QF175 : For an airport, it's lovely... Think about the colour system - tan for Queensland outback, Green for the rainforests, hint of blue for the water - ve
36 TruemanQLD : It wouldnt suprise me much - they really havent done enough advertising. With most people now going to each airlines website and checking the flight
37 747m8te : I tend to disagree that they would pull out next year, Tiger have announced quite a bit of expansion in recent months, upping services on most of the
38 ANstar : Skybus were expanding in the USA and look waht happened to them! In saying that, I reckon Tiger will stay as it will be propeed up by its parent for
39 Jetfuel : Let's just say their parent is not in the business of losing money....
40 Post contains links Tayser : Photos from the naming ceremony of VH-OQA on SSC: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25946138&postcount=706
41 GarethW : I'm of 2 minds really. Firstly I agree that while SQ won't be all that excited if TT doesn't generate good numbers in a good timeframe in Australia,
42 Jetfuel : Being on the Gold Coast I can tell you that domestic tourism is down around 25-30% and thats a big slice of the market. I just dont see how TT can po
43 6thfreedom : Interesting thoughts. I read an article the other day stating that many "business" pax were downgrading to LCCs where there was sufficient frequency
44 GarethW : To TT's credit they have already shown that they are prepared to can routes which aren't viable, i.e DRW at quite short notice. Time will tell I supp
45 Alangirvan : TT must be going OK on MEL-ADL if they are going up to 6 times daily, but they have not put their toe in the water so far as business destinations are
46 REALDEAL : actually there are still quite a few seats on QF ex BNE, SYD & MEL to LA (& SYD/SFO) 15-25DEC, plus US ex SYD & MEL, plus NZ ex BNE, OOL, SYD & MEL &
47 Post contains links Tayser : Great crosswind landing video of the A380 at ADL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqvfk1GhA0E
48 TruemanQLD : Wow thats incredible - thanks for sharing
49 TruemanQLD : Saw the OOL-KIX flight take off today - does anyone know the loads for the flights? KIX and NRT would be great trueman
50 Aussie747 : V Australia Launch has been delayed until 28FEB from 15DEC.
51 REALDEAL : we all knew this was coming, but trying to blame a 2 1/2 month delay on Boeing strike !!! Come on, we're not that stupid. VA really needs to get it's
52 ANstar : Huh? what planet are you on.... how can they start with no aircraft???? They already have their crews in training.
53 REALDEAL : The strike is a kind of blessing in disguise. The VA Sales Prevention Team has been working overtime & the loads were very ordinary we heard from a r
54 ANstar : I doubt the cheapy fare people (ie 1k) would take refunds. I'm sure it will be Mr Boeing who is paying....not VA.
55 REALDEAL : yes that will cost VA heaps bet it's not Boeing who are paying 100%. Sure VA realised they'd be tens of millions of dollars better off pulling the la
56 ANstar : Doubt it - will cost them in all the staff costs as staff recrutiment and training is going as scheduled. If the strike ends early, they will commenc
57 777ER : IMHO DJ will charter either an NZ or UA B744 as they will have spare aircraft. NZ is parking up one B744 shortly and NZ wouldn't turn down a request
58 REALDEAL : no they won't start before 28 feb. This has been handled very badly by VA.
59 777ER : Why has this been handled very badly by DJ? I think February 28th is a very safe starting date considering both Boeing and DJ havn't a clue when the
60 ANstar : doubt it as well. They will rebook onto exisiting services. UA have just released extra flights and I am sure all seats are not sold out at this poin
61 Zkpilot : Nice thought, but I highly doubt the side-by-side part... I could however see VA chartering that 744... maybe 3x per week (since it has bigger capaci
62 ANstar : I reckon the ACCC and NZCCC would not object to a total buyout from either side
63 TBCITDG : Can any one confirm whether the A380 will do a fly over at the football grand final?
64 777ER : The New Zealand Commerce Comminsion would have a problem with a total buy out as DJ is one of NZs biggest competitors on both TT, Domestic and Pacifi
65 ANstar : QF would still provide enough competition for it to pass. DJ aren't nearly as much of a competitor on TT as QF....
66 Post contains links and images Jetfuel : Headed out to BNE today to see the A380 come in again. It was approximately 2 hours late from MEL. After watching the parade of A320/737/767 land it
67 777ER : Even with QF, it still wouldn't be enough for it to pass, especially with the CHC routes as DJ has nearly the same number of flights as QF/JQ. If DJ
68 Alangirvan : DJ is not yet a very big player on TransTasman. After a few years from the CHC base, they are the smallest airline on Trans Tasman. Their frequencies
69 REALDEAL : what extra flights ? Can't see any ???
70 ANstar : They announced extra MEL services about a month ago for the christmas peak period (It will ops non stop)
71 Flyboysp : Weren't these extra flights to MEL in lieu of SYD flights?
72 6thfreedom : 17 Dec to 1 Feb. B744 daily LAX-MEL. so if these flights had any capacity, it will be soaked up. I wouldn't be surprised if UA extends this period to
73 Travelhound : Just had a look at VBA on the ASX. Trading at $0.335. Capitalised around $376 million dollars (AU). Air New Zealand are capitalised at just over one
74 REALDEAL : no extra flights at all-the only change at UA is that extra Xmas flights now go MEL/LAX nonstop instead of MEL/SYD/LAX but they will be heavily weigh
75 Post contains links QF175 : Brisbane is really booming... IT’S A BRISBANE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT BONANZA NON-STOP TO THE SOLOMON ISLANDS & MORE FLIGHTS TO WELLINGTON Source Regar
76 Zkpilot : Also the like of FJ (owned by QF) and TN, SB, etc provide enough competition. In fact if NZ and DJ were to either take a stake or similar in each oth
77 6thfreedom : No one said extra flights... but is extra capacity. Total Australian capacity at the moment is 347 seats x 28 for MEL and SYD = 9716 seats during pea
78 IndianicWorld : just wondering if the a380 was in melbourne today? saw a plane fly to the south however couldnt quite tell from where I was if it was this plane.
79 REALDEAL : actually Anstar did say extra flights, when there aren't any-this is same as been for quite a few years 3 extra flights, only differnce they are now
80 6thfreedom : In the past during peak UA would operate 14pw to SYD with 7 of these extending to MEL, AND would add an extra 3pw non-stop to SYD, meaning total freq
81 REALDEAL : ok, then but wouldn't LAX/MEL flights be heavily weight restricted even when carrying no freight with UA's inferior engines? How mny passengers are l
82 Post contains links Vhqpa : S9 have announced an extra BNE-CNJ-BNE rotation on Thursdays starting from 30OCT. http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=82920&nav=2 Vhq
83 6thfreedom : You can't be serious... UA operated non-stops to LAX-MEL back in 1999, with services ceasing post 9/11. If UA was picking up any less than 300 pax du
84 Thegeek : I wondered about that too. Of course, it isn't so much the engines that are the problem, but the MTOW and/or fuel tankage. It seems that the extra fl
85 ZK-NBT : Really? UA back to AKL-MEL? Seasonally anyway? Would be great if so! QF will be back to 744s daily from JAN 1st.
86 Post contains links 777ER : Qantas, Sydney Airport panned Sydney Airport and national airline Qantas have been savaged by readers of leading American travel magazine Conde Nast T
87 ANstar : It is showiwng non stop in the booking systems with a single flight number?
88 6thfreedom : Makes no difference, UA equipment is unchanged, so if they managed non-stops when they started in Oct 1999 and operated during Dec and Jan with 300+
89 Zkpilot : correct... in fact with slight, minor incremental improvements with fuel burn etc its possible they can even get further now... Also UA has aparently
90 EIRules : Hi everyone. Sorry for crashing your thread but I have a question that perhaps someone in here could help me with. I am planning on starting a full ti
91 Alangirvan : If you look through back issues of Airliner World, you will see a feature about a young pilot at EasyJet Newcastle base, who did her training in New
92 ANstar : Have you checked out pprune? They may be able to help more on advice for flying schools in OZ?
93 EIRules : Thanks for the tip. I'd happilly come to NZ but have heard very little about schools in NZ that offer integrated courses which allow you to fly comme
94 NZ107 : On an aside: does anyone know what seat the front cover of the QF inflight magazine was taken from? It's something that I'd love to replicate sometime
95 REALDEAL : how many seats on UA 744's that service MEL ? Something like 378 ? If they are weight restricted SFO/SYD & LAX/SYD those extra kilometres are really
96 Post contains links Zkpilot : CTC might be worth a look for you then... they DO have an integrated course... www.ctcwings.com
97 Post contains links 777ER : NZ is suspending SYD and OOL - HLZ from March till October 2009 Air NZ Hamilton-Aust flights to be suspended next winter Air New Zealand will suspend
98 777ER : Further to reply #97, NZ is also reducing is SYD and BNE - DUD services from daily to 5x weekly
99 QantasA333 : Depends on the airline you're flying. If you're flying QF, inside the QF terminal near gate 1 is a transfer bus, which will drive you over to the int
100 GarethW : Yeah I actually quite enjoy transiting from Int'l to Dom QF at SYD (or vice versa). The bus ride is great going along the side of the ramp past the c
101 Alangirvan : The Qantas transfer bus is free. Last time I inquired DJ was planning to set up an inter terminal bus, and they were going to charge about $15 for th
102 TruemanQLD : Yeah especially when you have cranky bus drivers that charge you $5.5 each. SIN is for free and you dont have to lug you luggage up into the bus - yo
103 Thegeek : Doh!! I was looking at a code share flight. Yes, and it is completely unnecessary. Why can't the airlines stitch up a deal with the operators of the
104 6thfreedom : In these times of people chasing the best deals and booking single sectors, I would have thought that Sydney Airport should provide the transfers for
105 REALDEAL : hardly !!! Minimum connecting times are growing + the merchant ankers at Macripoff don't do anything for nothing. They'd probably charge their mother
106 Post contains links Rsg85 : Theres a new airline due to be based at melbourne looking for a320 pilots quoting from the ad "The proposed airline will initially operate a small fle
107 ANstar : Yes - pops up every 6 months or so. They have been trying to launch for about 3-4 years now.
108 REALDEAL : wo !!! Credit crunch has hit. Heard from some corporates this am who are ... WE ONLY FLY QANTAS types, who now want cheapest way to USA & will even lo
109 ANstar : And on the domestic front I am sure we will see a lot more of this as well. DJ could really do well out of this as well as the negative safety issues
110 QF175 : I understand a Shanghai Airlines cargo 742F is due in BNE on 15OCT @ 22:30L. Does anyone know whether this aircraft is painted in SAC's livery, or Chi
111 Smi0006 : There was an article in today's age news paper about the postponing of an announcement regarding Melbourne Airports expansion of their domestic termin
112 ANstar : Cancelled - the first one was delivered in such a state from SPIRIT that they canned the idea of getting more from them.
113 Post contains links REALDEAL : think Tiger will be main beneficiary. see separate thread .... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4172359/
114 777ER : Have JQ cancelled all their A321 orders, even from Airbus or just their Spirit deliverys? What will happen to the current A321s in the fleet?
115 Travelhound : I see the CASA aircraft register shows them having two in their fleet (ex spirit aircraft). I can't remember where, but I remember reading they were
116 REALDEAL : " target=_blank>http://www.seek.com.au/users/apply/i...sid=1 in light of recession & lower cost of fuel & extremely low cost of leasing Md80's wouldn
117 TruemanQLD : Why? It is a stupid idea to start an airline know, let alone with MD-80's. They are old and there are not many Australians who know how to fly them,
118 Jupiter2 : Martinair has announced they are ceasing their twice weekly services to SYD. Last service ex SYD will be the 24th DEC 2008. They have cited their desi
119 777ER : JQ have announced SYD-AKL and OOL-AKL. QF will still have 4x daily SYD-AKL By the looks of it JQ will only have 1 A320 based in AKL with daily AKL-SYD
120 VHSMM : What's the view of A-netters re Qantas outfitting their A330-300s with a Y+ cabin? The A333s currently fly to a number of destinations that have a Y+
121 Allrite : Well, I know they've added extra headroom to one A333 in WA! Can Qantas afford to have further aircraft out of service for refitting right now? And I
122 777ER : Just saw JQs announcement on 1 News here, and the new CEO announced that JQ have applied for New Zealand domestic rights, but refused to go any furthe
123 Ben175 : Would the observation deck be a good place to catch the A380 tomorrow in PER? Is it parking at the Domestic or International terminal?[Edited 2008-10-
124 Post contains links QF175 : Norfolk Air - Discontinuation of OOL services Source NorfolkAir has only operated 2 OOL services and already they have brought in the axe - the airlin
125 REALDEAL : Actually the timing is perfect. Hundreds of aircraft lying around, like after SEP 11 , when the likes of DJ & QF picked up really cheap leases. Could
126 QFYMML : Not to let the facts get in the way of a good story but following 9/11 QF picked up 738's that AA no longer wanted & they were brand new from the fac
127 TruemanQLD : On relatively new aircraft, not 15 year old things!
128 Post contains links ANstar : Cloud over Tiger profitabitlity http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-for...eneral_aviation/read.main/4157840/
129 VHSMM : I just flew into Canberra this moring and amongst the usual Qantas Dash 8s, B737 and the odd Virgin aircraft, I saw a Qantas B767 lurking near the air
130 Jetfuel : " target=_blank>http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-for...7840/ Well we will wait for the announcement. They dont like not winning but I would say that
131 QF175 : MEL-CBR-MEL I understand that they use the Millennium configured 767-300s (aircraft with 30 J seats) due to the large demand for Business Class. I ha
132 VHSMM : Thanks QF175
133 REALDEAL : EXACTLY !!! Glut of aircraft leads to plummeting lease costs. Now all we need is AUD$ to get back closer to par with USD$ & oil price to keep falling
134 Travelhound : I think the first 4-5 aircraft were ex AA being 1-2 years old.
135 Pilotdude09 : Do you think the government is stupid? They will not let it happen be it Tiger or Singapore Airlines. Simple as that.
136 Alangirvan : All of the 738s were new off the production line. AA have only recently started ordering 738s again. Qantas did take some 717s that were ordered by T
137 REALDEAL : ah yep !!! All tiger (OZ) have to do is become 51% Australian, then they can fly to U.S. Then if they wanted to they could use SQ aircraft, crews, ev
138 Gemuser : You keep saying this and it is NOT TRUE! Even 51% Oz owned they still need fedral government approval! Which said government can give or withhold at
139 ANstar : And I cant see anyone wanting ot buy into their loss making Australian operation currently. Um - no they couldnt unless SQ was granted rights. Given
140 REALDEAL : if tt had rights OZ/USA they could use any carrier they wanted to use, just as FJ are currently using UA.
141 Post contains links 777ER : Emirates' Tasman profit climbs 50pc Emirates airline increased its profits on the Tasman by more than 50 per cent to $26.2 million, according to accou
142 QFYMML : Not really. I'm talking about slots for new birds that QF secured quickly from AA following the downturn in the US after 9/11. I can only find one 73
143 Gemuser : NO THEY CAN'T! To do that, again, requires federal government approval and they won't get it, other then on a interim/emergecy basis. The FJ/UA deal
144 REALDEAL : don't agree. SQ have much bigger plans for TT than to just be a low cost OZ & maybe trans-tasman carrier. I mean why would they bother? Also her Gold
145 ANstar : Don't get your hopes up - they couldnt get off the ground in good times.... how are they going to get financing in the current climate?
146 TruemanQLD : Sure Ill just go and ask them. And then it will change again tomorrow so whats the point?
147 DavidByrne : Eh? So you're saying that SQ/TT could seek to deceive the Austrlaian government, and that the government would fall for it and grant them rights to L
148 REALDEAL : if TT get rights then they can put any aircraft they want on route, even if it has to be a charter. Not that much dofference these days between chart
149 ANstar : The artivel is good - however I think it fails to take into account the difficulty a new start up would have getting funds to start in this climate.
150 REALDEAL : If starting small (short haul) with MD80's don't need anywhere near as much cash. If fuel does go up, airline could just park them in middle of the d
151 Gemuser : NO they can't! It has to be put on their AOC, other than short term emergency stuff. You try getting an aircraft not on the Oz register, without an O
152 DavidByrne : I think that REALDEAL fails to appreciate that these issues are political - it's not just a matter of getting the appropriate paperwork in place (tho
153 Alangirvan : Of course the other way Singapore Airlines could do it, is to set themselves up as a US carrier. I did not say this would be easy. Look at all the hoo
154 Post contains links Allrite : There was an interesting article (subscription required) in today's AFR about Qantas Chairman Leigh Clifford where he discusses Alan Joyce's selection
155 B727-200 : Reading through some of the posts above regarding SQ/TT on the TransPac route has been interesting. There is no doubt that SQ has been desparate to ge
156 Gemuser : Why not? Who says? The fedral government can set ANY restrictions it likes on international trade (trade between Oz states is a very different matter
157 Gemuser : True, but also a lot of the issues are technical. A SIN registered aircraft CANNOT operate for an OZ airline (except under emergency conditions) for
158 Alangirvan : Have you noticed that SQ is also interested in flying SIN-HKG-NYC? Yes, they are starting to work on the HKG authorities, to get these traffic rights
159 Post contains links Vhqpa : DJ opened up their new HQ in Brisbane today source I also found out on Galileo last night DJ are making changes to their flight numbers effective from
160 REALDEAL : Actually anyone can do charters !!! (might be a time limit though say 6 months, but this could be rolling, ie. 6 months & then another 6 months-could
161 Allrite : Maybe this would be an indication that the passenger numbers aren't there. Maybe another US airline would take up the slack if UA disappeared. Wasn't
162 Gemuser : No they can't! They have to have an AOC and if they are doing charters on Oz traffic rights they have to have an Oz AOC! Yes and they had a Canadian
163 REALDEAL : no Branson british !!! don't be ridiculous. The operator has to have an AOC but not necessarily an Australian, NZL or U.S. AOC. Eg. Air Icelandic cou
164 TruemanQLD : Exactly, or a SQ A380 could crash off the coast, not as dramatic but still alot of money and lives. Though this is not the only reason, it could have
165 ANstar : LoL..... and lets not forget that a certain airline should start flying to most points in Asia from Australia as well! Australian domestic airlines a
166 Gemuser : Correct, but a bit misleading the way you have put it. They can be 100% foregin owned PROVIDED the FIRB rules that the proposal is "in the public int
167 Gemuser : More than you from the looks of it! Gemuser
168 Thegeek : If they had 5th freedom rights through LAX, yes. What planet do you live on? I'm sure in Maroochydore cars stop at red lights! Perhaps you're thinkin
169 Alangirvan : Some people may be surprised that a Singapore registered aircraft cannot operate for an Australian airline, because Qantas has chartered planes from
170 Allrite : Out of curiosity, how large is the charter market in Australia for leisure services? I've read plenty of stories about European charter airlines (some
171 Alangirvan : Charter flights within Europe, were just arrangements where Tour Companies booked whole planes to carry people on holiday. Some of the tour companies
172 Gemuser : In both those cases the operator had international traffic rights on the sector and was the actual operator. QF effectively brought seats. In both ca
173 Alangirvan : There is no airline called Air Iceland. Perhaps you meant Icelandair? There is quite a well known ACMI carrier Air Atlanta which performs charters all
174 Gemuser : Which it may or may not get. That was the point. It would depend on a number of circumstances. Gemuser
175 Sparklehorse12 : It is a shame that SQ are going to be kept out of the SYD > LAX route but them's the brakes when you have two airlines using the disgraceful tactic o
176 Post contains links DJ748 : Looks like a new route has been opened up, thanks to JQ - CNS-OOL. Soure is here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/16/2393537.htm http://www
177 Alangirvan : The OOL-CNS flights were operated with Australian Airlines painted planes, so they were sort-of Qantas. I see the North Queensland Tourism person welc
178 REALDEAL : why on earth would they need an OZ AOC for int ops ? You can do a series of charters for 6 months !!! Longer with approval !!! this is in an employme
179 Post contains links and images ANstar : Virgin Blue have moved into their new headquarters http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news...lage/2008/10/17/1223750314196.html Their reception looks pre
180 Smi0006 : Rather off topic but I had to share, was at traffic lights in Melbourne on sat night with my sister we sat at the lights at three in the morning wait
181 REALDEAL : in Greece a red lights means ... stop if you feel like it can't remember the name, but the point was, rules are ment to be bent, be flexible, nimble
182 Gemuser : We were talking about a 51% Oz owned TT, operating on Oz traffic rights, in that case an Oz AOC would be mandatory and ANYBODY operating for them wou
183 REALDEAL : no you don't need an OZ AOC. Air Atlanta Icelandic & some other ACMI specialists can operate into & out of OZ without an OZ AOC !!!!
184 Gemuser : NOT on Oz traffic rights, THEY CAN"T On their own or ad-hoc rights yes, on Oz RPT, forget it. Gemuser
185 ANstar : Yes - please divulge! Yes and I have also been in greece in a taxi at 130km/h with no seatbelts - doesn't mean it is RIGHT I would presume they would
186 TruemanQLD : Reading the last 40 Posts everyone has said the same thing 50 times. Can we agree to disagree?
187 Post contains links and images QF175 : Another render of the planned Brisbane Domestic terminal expansion: Source 22OCT
188 Zkpilot : Might I suggest then, that you try to reverse back over the ground sensors that control the traffic lights? Also just because you decide to go throug
189 Smi0006 : Haha Wasn't even aware that there was a ground sensor a handy tip! However due angle of the intersection it would have been impossible to see the tru
190 ANstar : Yes we should stop for fear of becoming like the NZ thread :p
191 6thfreedom : Is the $130M just for a car park, or does it include other works... the plans look rather lavish in the current environment...
192 Pilotdude09 : Last night Virgin Blue had fares between Perth-Karratha/Newman inclusive of tax and fees for $9 one way. $18 return!!!!! beats the $560 Qantas offers.
193 Zkpilot : Most traffic lights around the world have sensor pads under the road surface around traffic lights... they are usually located where the first car wo
194 Post contains links VH-BZF : An interesting/amusing TV report about the A380 arriving at LAX on its inaugural flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=u
195 Ben175 : Hey, have the E-jets been flying Perth - Adelaide/Broome? I've seen them in the past few weeks quite alot, especially in the late mornings. They only
196 ANstar : And lets hope the services are supported, otherwise it is back to the higher fares!
197 Post contains links TruemanQLD : http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...8/10/24/2400735.htm?section=justin Is this a fatal incident in terms of Qantas's safety record. RIP
198 Pilotdude09 : The E-jets are pretty neat looking a/c. Seen them flying out of KTA and approaching and look great in the DJ livery
199 Jetfuel : NO IT IS NOT! It's a sad event but totally unrelated to QF's (flying) safety record
200 Post contains links DJ748 : Pacific Blue has just increased services at BNE again. They have increased their services to NAN from 14 to 16 times each week, although not much of a
201 ZK-NBT : Wow I didn't realize they had so many flights BNE-NAN. FJ have announced OOL 2 weekly with 738s. FJ use the 763 to BNE on Sundays but they don't have
202 Post contains links and images QF175 : With the introduction of the extra 2 weekly NAN services, Brisbane will see a total of 53 weekly flights operated by Pacific Blue/Polynesian Blue - am
203 ZK-NBT : Interesting the Press release even stats they will go 14>16 weekly, that sounds alot to me, 9 seems more realistic. Wow! 7or 8 daily flights on avera
204 Ben175 : Any chance we could see Pacific Blue going PER-SIN & CGK along with DPS? to compete with JQ
205 ANstar : Now - when will the International terminal get a lounge? I owuld think it would be int he works especially with VA starting up. I think that refers t
206 REALDEAL : the 2 new FJ OOL/NAN flights from 1DEC connect perfectly with NAN/LAX, meaning if you lived on the gold coast you no longer have to drive to BNE or f
207 REALDEAL : just noticed Startegic Aviation advertising in Darwin for flight attendant for A330's Darwin team. Why DRW ?
208 Post contains links Allrite : As we are over 200 replies, Australian Aviation Thread 20 is now up.
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