WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5118 times:
This is why I despise being a "modern" Greek. Send Frank Lorenzo in there ot bust the unions, better yet, send a hit squad...
"We did what Alitalia workers in Fiumicino did," Giatras said, referring to protests at Rome airport last week. Olympic workers have said they will team up with Alitalia unions and launch sit-in protests outside the ministry in the coming days."
This is all I ever see on the Ant1 news here in the US. The most worthless and lazy of the population of Greece have nothing better to do than strike or protest. We invented democracy yes, but by god, not only did we invent drama too, we have it down as ART.
This is a very sad thing that is happening at Olympic, but I do agree with the Parliament. The airline needs to be split and sold off. Wheres Icahn when you REALLY need him? Get a cold., heartless corporate mogul in there an dfire everyone and really put em in the streets, enough politics!
I'm getting off the soapbox now...
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
They wont get very far . The special forces should have been brought in to remove them and arrest them. Take their passes and put them on a security watch list. That will ruin their future job prospects. Its time to get tough with these people.
By the way alot of OA staff did not take part in this illegal action and have the same views as me. They would be glad to be rid of these lazy colleagues.
In a landmark decision, the European Commission approved a government plan to close the old Olympic Airlines and sell off a new slimmer version.Potential bidders begin to circle cautiously.
The European Commission has approved a plan to restructure and privatise troubled Olympic Airlines, it announced on September 17. The plan requires Olympic to be sold off to private investors, as well as undertake mass redundancies. The privatisation is to be wound up by the end of 2009 at the latest.
The commission also says that since its last ruling in 2005, Olympic has received more than 850 million euros in illegal state aid. This excludes 724 million euros in illegal state aid prior to that date .
The revamp process will transform the existing two companies, Olympic Airlines and Olympic Airways Services into three new entities. A new flight company will take over 65 percent of the capacity of Olympic Airlines as well as retaining the Olympic brand and famous logo of the Olympic rings. Two further companies dealing with ground-handling and maintenance will be spun off, the EC and the Greek government separately announced.
The three companies will be sold separately, Transport Minister Costis Hadzidakis said.
The privatisation "does not involve any state aid provided that the undertakings given by the Greek authorities are fully complied with," the commission said. In this way the new entities will be free of the burden of illegal state aid.
"Having carried out an in-depth study of the finances of Olympic Airways Services and of Olympic Airlines the Commission has found that since 2005 Greece has granted illegal and incompatible state aid," the commission said.
It is not yet clear where the money will come from to repay the illegal aid. "The remaining parts of Olympic Airlines and of Olympic Airways Services will be liquidated," the EC said. However the proceeds from this liquidation are not expected to be significant, observers believe. Little else will apparently be left from "old" Olympic, which will be responsible for the illegal aid.
The Phoenix that will rise from the ashes will not be called Pantheon, which will be an interim entity only, but is to be named either Olympic Air or Olympic Lines.
Hatzidakis after an inner cabinet meeting on September 17 reiterated the retention of the Olympic name and brand as well as vital routes and takeoff and landing slots in domestic and international airports. He pointed out that many routes are loss-making and restructuring is badly needed. "Olympic Airlines has a structural problem. The only profitable routes are the ones that are legally subsidised to remote [domestic] destinations" he added.
At present OA has 4,600 full-time employees and an estimated 3,500 seasonal staff. Workers not taken on in the new version of Olympic will be offered work in another state-owned company. Incentives will be given to an estimated 2,500 employees to retire.
Olympic already has accumulated losses of some 2.7 billion euros. The voluntary retirement scheme and other related costs are estimated at some 1 billion euro to the state budget.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
Quoting 1821 (Reply 5): Ancient Greece gave the world civilisation , modern Greece gives it destruction. Bravo Ellines
Problem is that too many villagers with no education got into politics and their families got jobs!! These are the people that need fired. There should be a zero tolerance attitude now towards those staff who are holding back OA's recovery plan. They wont win anyway so I doubt we will see the same AZ situation. If one thing is good its that the AZ situation will make the unions realise that they cant win.
There are plenty of good things that ''modern Greece'' has achieved BTW and the infrastructure is very good now.
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4856 times:
Greece Begins Search For Olympic Air Investors
September 26, 2008
Greece's privatizations committee on Friday gave the green light for the launch of a tender to find buyers for three new companies to replace ailing flag carrier Olympic Airlines.
Greece's conservative government announced last week it would break up the troubled airline, ending years of wrangling with Brussels over illegal state aid, with a view to fully privatizing it.
"Competitive procedures to choose private investors to buy the three companies -- flying, ground handling and aircraft maintenance -- will start," Greece's privatizations committee said in a statement. "The procedures will proceed as planned."
The new airline will retain Olympic's name and trademark -- the five Olympic rings that symbolize the five continents.
The ministers of finance, development, transport and employment make up the privatizations committee.
"We are moving to rid citizens of the burden of Olympic Airlines... a burden that costs Greek taxpayers millions of euros each day," Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis said at a party conference on Friday.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4584 times:
Quoting 1821 (Reply 3): Megale vgazo to kapelo mou se esena
*bows* ty ty *breaks out the ouzo for everyone* well, we greeks did ONE thing right, and KEPT it right...
Quoting OA260 (Reply 4): They wont get very far . The special forces should have been brought in to remove them and arrest them. Take their passes and put them on a security watch list. That will ruin their future job prospects. Its time to get tough with these people.
Amen to that. Had it been any other group of people, they would probably been shot on site, or if it was a US AIrport..
Quoting OA260 (Reply 4): By the way alot of OA staff did not take part in this illegal action and have the same views as me. They would be glad to be rid of these lazy colleagues.
I wish I could find some of those folks...
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4420 times:
In regards to the OA employees who illegally enmtered the airport i say as my father sais: Ti milao se esena ti milao sto diho to idio pragma. To gaithouri tha to katalavi pio poli. : English translation. " I speak to you i speak to the wall what's the difference? . The donkey will understand much more than you.!!!!!
Just when will these villagers learn ( i am fortunately a villager who actually has a brain and an education ) that the days of i know your brother and father and yes your family can work here at OA dosen't metter if you never went to school or you cannot comprehend that times are changing.
Please note that this is some people and not all Greeks.
FlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 645 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4381 times:
Hehe, reminds me of my 4 weeks in Greece early this year: I saw a taxi strike, a metro strike, huge demonstrations on Panepistimou street, got tear gas in my eyes a couple of times, snow storm (and had 2 days off because of that), a small earthquake.. What's there not to like! =)
Flew OA, A3, LH, MA and BA to/from Greece this year and have to say that A3 ranks near the top of that lot, whereas I wasn't as impressed with OA.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4266 times:
Isn't it ironic that Communism, as a political system, is pretty much a relic, but some aspects of the very worst of it still remain in the countries that gave the world the concepts of modern government?
The places that gave us Direct Democracy (Greece) and Republicanism (Rome) are being held hostage by the concept of "jobs for life no matter how lazy, incompetent, or outright stupid" the eternally employed and unfireable workforce.
Russia privatized Aeroflot years ago. China believes that "to get rich is glorious!", and has told inefficient state-run to become competitive or go out of business. The concept of the governments propping inefficient industries for "image purposes" is as archaic as the vacuum tube.
The EU has ruled many times that state subsidies - specifically here to AZ and OA - are illegal and must stop. The worst of the employees cry out, "we don't care what the law says - we only care about keeping our cushy jobs!!" They insist that the government pump endless amounts of unlimited money into the airlines so that they can keep their jobs.
This has to end, and the EU has to stand up to this nonsense.
Quote: Problem is that too many villagers with no education got into politics and their families got jobs!! These are the people that need fired.
BRAVO!! I can never believe that all OA employees are the chain-smoking, job-for-life, lackey-employed, "go-away-I'm-on-my-government-required-2½-hour-ouzo-break" type. These are the types that are ruining the airlines, but they are by no means what all of the employees are.
Quote: Can't they merge OA and AZ?
It would certainly be a first step to make the issue a bit simpler!
That would be ancient Greek drama , with Italian subtitles.....
SO true!! And can you imagine the war that would occur between the unions trying to merge seniority lists?
Quote: Wheres Icahn when you REALLY need him?
In the 15th circle of hell, being p***ed on frequently by TWA employees, where he belongs.
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1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
Since most of us agree that their is virtually no difference between Greece and Italy then i propose a new alliance or merger between AZ and OA. And we should brand the new airline " STRONZOPOULOS AIRWAYS" . And the new company motto will be." Fly with us and you will end up at your destination in way or another " lol
Anax From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
take it easy Aneters. I know most people are just fed up with OA. I am fed up with unions as well. But it is not a nice thing knowing that you willloose your job in a few days.
As for those of you who write comments (both for OA and AZ) like : shut them etc , you might as well think this situation , for you , your families and children. Many of you have mortgages right? Do you get my point?
GermanInItaly From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
This is a nonsense. The Alitalia affair has been closed with a good result at the end and anyway the stories of Olympic and Alitalia are quite different.
I never heard that Italians and Greeks are cousins as are two completely different people, but i have always heard that the French and Italians are cousins.