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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

Just was reading this article on the Reuters website and thought i might share it with u all. I love being Greek !!!!!!!!!!!!!  Big grin

http://www.greekcity.com.au/frame/in...UtilitiesNews/idUSLN34455920080923


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

This is why I despise being a "modern" Greek. Send Frank Lorenzo in there ot bust the unions, better yet, send a hit squad...  banghead 

"We did what Alitalia workers in Fiumicino did," Giatras said, referring to protests at Rome airport last week. Olympic workers have said they will team up with Alitalia unions and launch sit-in protests outside the ministry in the coming days."

This is all I ever see on the Ant1 news here in the US. The most worthless and lazy of the population of Greece have nothing better to do than strike or protest. We invented democracy yes, but by god, not only did we invent drama too, we have it down as ART.


This is a very sad thing that is happening at Olympic, but I do agree with the Parliament. The airline needs to be split and sold off. Wheres Icahn when you REALLY need him? Get a cold., heartless corporate mogul in there an dfire everyone and really put em in the streets, enough politics!

I'm getting off the soapbox now...  duck 



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5585 times:
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Quoting 1821 (Thread starter):
Just was reading this article on the Reuters website and thought i might share it with u all. I love being Greek !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow!!! I'd thought that this things only occur at Barcelona airport when Iberia workers lost its handling job...

I don't think that Olympic must to be split and sold in three parts... maybe an alliance or a sold of an important stake in the company would be the salvation of this airline.

What about an alliance with Aegean?

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5568 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
We invented democracy yes, but by god, not only did we invent drama too, we have it down as ART.

LOL  laughing  Megale vgazo to kapelo mou se esena . English translation : " i take my hat off too you "



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

They wont get very far . The special forces should have been brought in to remove them and arrest them. Take their passes and put them on a security watch list. That will ruin their future job prospects. Its time to get tough with these people.

By the way alot of OA staff did not take part in this illegal action and have the same views as me. They would be glad to be rid of these lazy colleagues.

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In a landmark decision, the European Commission approved a government plan to close the old Olympic Airlines and sell off a new slimmer version.Potential bidders begin to circle cautiously.
The European Commission has approved a plan to restructure and privatise troubled Olympic Airlines, it announced on September 17. The plan requires Olympic to be sold off to private investors, as well as undertake mass redundancies. The privatisation is to be wound up by the end of 2009 at the latest.

The commission also says that since its last ruling in 2005, Olympic has received more than 850 million euros in illegal state aid. This excludes 724 million euros in illegal state aid prior to that date .

The revamp process will transform the existing two companies, Olympic Airlines and Olympic Airways Services into three new entities. A new flight company will take over 65 percent of the capacity of Olympic Airlines as well as retaining the Olympic brand and famous logo of the Olympic rings. Two further companies dealing with ground-handling and maintenance will be spun off, the EC and the Greek government separately announced.

The three companies will be sold separately, Transport Minister Costis Hadzidakis said.

The privatisation "does not involve any state aid provided that the undertakings given by the Greek authorities are fully complied with," the commission said. In this way the new entities will be free of the burden of illegal state aid.

"Having carried out an in-depth study of the finances of Olympic Airways Services and of Olympic Airlines the Commission has found that since 2005 Greece has granted illegal and incompatible state aid," the commission said.

It is not yet clear where the money will come from to repay the illegal aid. "The remaining parts of Olympic Airlines and of Olympic Airways Services will be liquidated," the EC said. However the proceeds from this liquidation are not expected to be significant, observers believe. Little else will apparently be left from "old" Olympic, which will be responsible for the illegal aid.

The Phoenix that will rise from the ashes will not be called Pantheon, which will be an interim entity only, but is to be named either Olympic Air or Olympic Lines.

Hatzidakis after an inner cabinet meeting on September 17 reiterated the retention of the Olympic name and brand as well as vital routes and takeoff and landing slots in domestic and international airports. He pointed out that many routes are loss-making and restructuring is badly needed. "Olympic Airlines has a structural problem. The only profitable routes are the ones that are legally subsidised to remote [domestic] destinations" he added.

At present OA has 4,600 full-time employees and an estimated 3,500 seasonal staff. Workers not taken on in the new version of Olympic will be offered work in another state-owned company. Incentives will be given to an estimated 2,500 employees to retire.

Olympic already has accumulated losses of some 2.7 billion euros. The voluntary retirement scheme and other related costs are estimated at some 1 billion euro to the state budget.

http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nath...rticle?e=C&f=13305&t=03&m=A20&aa=1


User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Ancient Greece gave the world civilisation , modern Greece gives it destruction. Bravo Ellines


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5494 times:



Quoting 1821 (Reply 5):
Ancient Greece gave the world civilisation , modern Greece gives it destruction. Bravo Ellines

Problem is that too many villagers with no education got into politics and their families got jobs!! These are the people that need fired. There should be a zero tolerance attitude now towards those staff who are holding back OA's recovery plan. They wont win anyway so I doubt we will see the same AZ situation. If one thing is good its that the AZ situation will make the unions realise that they cant win.

There are plenty of good things that ''modern Greece'' has achieved BTW and the infrastructure is very good now.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Greece Begins Search For Olympic Air Investors

September 26, 2008
Greece's privatizations committee on Friday gave the green light for the launch of a tender to find buyers for three new companies to replace ailing flag carrier Olympic Airlines.

Greece's conservative government announced last week it would break up the troubled airline, ending years of wrangling with Brussels over illegal state aid, with a view to fully privatizing it.

"Competitive procedures to choose private investors to buy the three companies -- flying, ground handling and aircraft maintenance -- will start," Greece's privatizations committee said in a statement. "The procedures will proceed as planned."

The new airline will retain Olympic's name and trademark -- the five Olympic rings that symbolize the five continents.

The ministers of finance, development, transport and employment make up the privatizations committee.

"We are moving to rid citizens of the burden of Olympic Airlines... a burden that costs Greek taxpayers millions of euros each day," Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis said at a party conference on Friday.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1222426598.html


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Can't they merge OA and AZ?

It would certainly be a first step to make the issue a bit simpler!

 butthead 


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5304 times:



Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 8):
Can't they merge OA and AZ?

It would certainly be a first step to make the issue a bit simpler!

No OA is no where near the disaster that AZ is !!


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5075 times:



Quoting 1821 (Reply 3):
Megale vgazo to kapelo mou se esena

*bows* ty ty *breaks out the ouzo for everyone* well, we greeks did ONE thing right, and KEPT it right...

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
They wont get very far . The special forces should have been brought in to remove them and arrest them. Take their passes and put them on a security watch list. That will ruin their future job prospects. Its time to get tough with these people.

Amen to that. Had it been any other group of people, they would probably been shot on site, or if it was a US AIrport..

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
By the way alot of OA staff did not take part in this illegal action and have the same views as me. They would be glad to be rid of these lazy colleagues.

I wish I could find some of those folks...



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User currently offlineAnax From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5029 times:



Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 8):
Can't they merge OA and AZ?

It would certainly be a first step to make the issue a bit simpler!

That would be ancient Greek drama , with Italian subtitles.....

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I wish I could find some of those folks...

i didn't take part...



god is a spotter!!!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4997 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I wish I could find some of those folks...

My friends and Oikoyennia you can add to that !

Quoting Anax (Reply 11):
didn't take part...

Bravo..... Respect  thumbsup 


User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

In regards to the OA employees who illegally enmtered the airport i say as my father sais: Ti milao se esena ti milao sto diho to idio pragma. To gaithouri tha to katalavi pio poli. : English translation. " I speak to you i speak to the wall what's the difference? . The donkey will understand much more than you.!!!!!

Just when will these villagers learn ( i am fortunately a villager who actually has a brain and an education ) that the days of i know your brother and father and yes your family can work here at OA dosen't metter if you never went to school or you cannot comprehend that times are changing.

Please note that this is some people and not all Greeks.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Olympic Airlines ... : the "Greek" Alitalia !
Alitalia ... : The Italian Olympic Airline !

Those two should be merged to form the perfect example of the worst ever you can find on earth in terms of economy, unions, management, customer services .


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

I would like to see a Middle Eastern company/carrier take over.

User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Hehe, reminds me of my 4 weeks in Greece early this year: I saw a taxi strike, a metro strike, huge demonstrations on Panepistimou street, got tear gas in my eyes a couple of times, snow storm (and had 2 days off because of that), a small earthquake.. What's there not to like! =)

Flew OA, A3, LH, MA and BA to/from Greece this year and have to say that A3 ranks near the top of that lot, whereas I wasn't as impressed with OA.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2351 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4809 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
Olympic Airlines ... : the "Greek" Alitalia !
Alitalia ... : The Italian Olympic Airline !

A wise Greek man once told me that the Italians and the Greeks are like cousins  Wink lol



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Isn't it ironic that Communism, as a political system, is pretty much a relic, but some aspects of the very worst of it still remain in the countries that gave the world the concepts of modern government?

The places that gave us Direct Democracy (Greece) and Republicanism (Rome) are being held hostage by the concept of "jobs for life no matter how lazy, incompetent, or outright stupid" the eternally employed and unfireable workforce.

Russia privatized Aeroflot years ago. China believes that "to get rich is glorious!", and has told inefficient state-run to become competitive or go out of business. The concept of the governments propping inefficient industries for "image purposes" is as archaic as the vacuum tube.

The EU has ruled many times that state subsidies - specifically here to AZ and OA - are illegal and must stop. The worst of the employees cry out, "we don't care what the law says - we only care about keeping our cushy jobs!!" They insist that the government pump endless amounts of unlimited money into the airlines so that they can keep their jobs.

This has to end, and the EU has to stand up to this nonsense.

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Problem is that too many villagers with no education got into politics and their families got jobs!! These are the people that need fired.

BRAVO!! I can never believe that all OA employees are the chain-smoking, job-for-life, lackey-employed, "go-away-I'm-on-my-government-required-2½-hour-ouzo-break" type. These are the types that are ruining the airlines, but they are by no means what all of the employees are.

Quote:
Can't they merge OA and AZ?

It would certainly be a first step to make the issue a bit simpler!

That would be ancient Greek drama , with Italian subtitles.....

 rotfl 

SO true!! And can you imagine the war that would occur between the unions trying to merge seniority lists?

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Wheres Icahn when you REALLY need him?

In the 15th circle of hell, being p***ed on frequently by TWA employees, where he belongs.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

A Greek drama merged with an Italian opera would probably be new piece of art... Big grin Big grin Big grin

User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Since most of us agree that their is virtually no difference between Greece and Italy then i propose a new alliance or merger between AZ and OA. And we should brand the new airline " STRONZOPOULOS AIRWAYS" . And the new company motto will be." Fly with us and you will end up at your destination in way or another " lol


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4528 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 18):
In the 15th circle of hell, being p***ed on frequently by TWA employees, where he belongs.

I, being a former TWA employee, an really missing my family there, would most certainly hope so, but I fear that treatment such as his is what would be needed at OA.



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User currently offlineAnax From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

take it easy Aneters. I know most people are just fed up with OA. I am fed up with unions as well. But it is not a nice thing knowing that you willloose your job in a few days.
As for those of you who write comments (both for OA and AZ) like : shut them etc , you might as well think this situation , for you , your families and children. Many of you have mortgages right? Do you get my point?
Peace



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User currently offlineGermanInItaly From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

This is a nonsense. The Alitalia affair has been closed with a good result at the end and anyway the stories of Olympic and Alitalia are quite different.
I never heard that Italians and Greeks are cousins as are two completely different people, but i have always heard that the French and Italians are cousins.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

Greece has a much more viable option. Aegean Airlines.

25 OA260 : Vevaios, Only the ones that do nothing and got in without an interview should be going. My cousin is also worried about his job but is highly qualifi
26 Post contains links LAXintl : Greek tragedy continues. Entire country on strike over OA. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...ope/10/08/greece.transport.strike/
27 OA260 : Tell us something knew , they can strike all they want it will go ahead.
28 Vasu : Please don't flame me... this is only a very "basic" statement... But couldn't OA just vanish, making Aegean the national carrier. Then Aegean could h
29 OA260 : One reason NO. Olympic is worth saving and will be a viable company if the right business decisions are made. There is no reason why it cant be a pro
30 Sflaflight : ...better yet, merger it with Jat, Aerolineas Argentinas and Air Jamaica and we could see a world power airline the likes we haven't seen since the d
31 OA260 : In some other good new for OA. The website from 13th October will feature the ''manage my booking '' upgrade and will allow passengers to update perso
32 Ek773er : Hi all, There are some rumors going on, for sometime now that Qatar Airlines are interesting to make a move and buy OA. This is rumored for over a yea
33 OA260 : Yes totally agree , they need someone who will invest and run it properly and who has the money to do it.
34 Post contains links LAXintl : Blocking runways seems fashionable these days, along with another nationwide strike planned Full story http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1223994666.h
35 OA260 : Yep its only the start but tough decisions will and have been made. They will not win despite how many times they try to block the runways. If it com
36 GermanInItaly : Not sure the Italians will appreciate this. Especially the north Italians who have really nothing to do with Greeks since they are much closer to us.
37 Oa260 : And I dont appreciate being classed with the Italians so we are in agreement then.
38 Bennett123 : I have just checked a RTN flight from London to Athens in about a month. Easyjet £116.37 Aegean £170.68 Olympic £186.70 Assuming that this is repre
39 Oa260 : There are cheaper fares than that in X class , depends on availability. For an A340 with 23kg baggage allowance with full hot meal service and free b
40 Ek773er : Easyjet is an LCC airline and OA does not compete with those. Also OA flies out of LHR not LTN from which both Aegean and Easyjet operate. I do n't k
41 Post contains links Ek773er : This is turn up again by an article in a local newspaper http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=2&artid=1403902&ct=3 A poor translation "Bow for the Qat
42 OA260 : Fingers crossed or Inshallah as they say in DOH. It would be great news.
43 OlympicATH : Southern Italy and Sicily where actually colonized by Greeks well before the rise of Rome, around the 8th century B.C. With this colonization, Greek
44 OA260 : A3 seem to have a big presence at SKG. Last night I saw 3 A320's/1 B737 and 1 Avrojet.
45 OlympicATH : Indeed OA260, Aegean is the biggest carrier in Thessaloniki. Olympic has significantly reduced its presence in northern Greece and Aegean took advant
46 OA260 : I flew in with Swiss last night and there seemed to be alot of LH traffic originating in FRA. Some with double connections. Russians/Ukranians and th
47 Post contains links Oa260 : Another strike and the boards at ATH are looking unhealthy:: Larnaca Aegean Airlines A3 904 21/10/2008 14:00 Cancelled Kavala Aegean Airlines A3 154 2
48 Post contains links LAXintl : Yet more travel distruptions with OA. Full Story http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1225395984.html
49 1821 : Bravo megale se parathehome. Translation : " good on you mate i'm proud of what u said. "
50 LAXintl : Greece today announced 10 parties that were interested in the various portions of OA. Greek government plans to split OA into three separate parts wit
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