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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

So as I understand it, both the FO and Captain got really drunk on their overnight in TYS and were mooning cars and the Flight Attendant was taking pictures.

Pretty dang funny, but I don't think either of these pilots have the maturity (especially the 43 yearold captain) to be in command of an airliner...

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20080927/BREAKING/809279982

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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 12829 times:

Regional or mainline, it's inexcusable. Let's be clear that this is a human being problem, not a mainline or regional problem.

User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2694 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 12819 times:

And hopefully the public will understand that just like any other people getting in trouble with alcohol, it's the same 1% of the crowd that makes 99% of the news reports like this.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 1):
Regional or mainline, it's inexcusable. Let's be clear that this is a human being problem, not a mainline or regional problem.

I wasn't trying to single out regional crews... it just seems like theres been a rash of regional crews lately that have been having this problem, with this being the latest one.

But yes, I agree, all crews (especially that 1%) need to realize they can't go out and do stupid stuff and get arrested on overnights.

[Edited 2008-09-28 11:11:54]

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 12644 times:

A guy just can't have any fun anymore.

Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school. I think an arrest is an over reaction. Perhaps a stern discussion about discretion. By stern I mean the cop talks, the mooners listen, and say "yes sir" a lot.
Probably end up on some sex offenders register, further diluting it's point for being.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 12325 times:

According to the article they were causing trouble in the mexican restaurant and were trying to start a physical altercation.

I think the PI charges are acceptable.

It sounds funny though that the 43y/o was mooning traffic. Too bad the article didn't have any pictures.


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 12275 times:

I think the number of such incidents is actually lower than in the past as alcohol issues and behaviours are generally less tolerated than in the past. As a result the arrest and charges being filed has increased (it is no longer just get them back to the hotel to sleep it off).

At the same time, press coverage of such events has increased. It used to be that this would not even be considered a story worth reporting.

I do believe that most people do understand that this is a general people issue that affects all professions. Not just with alcohol either. We all have had episodes of poor judgement.


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 12179 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
A guy just can't have any fun anymore.

Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school. I think an arrest is an over reaction.

Well, the problem is... their names were linked to the company. It's a real bad idea in general, career-wise, to be caught in public with something embarrassing that could be easily traced back to the company you work for.

If the guy hadn't mentioned who he was working for or what he did for a living, then it would have had been easier for the company to just simply put them through some kind of internal discipline + external assistance program. But when it becomes as public as it does, well, hoo boy! All bets are off in that particular case.

But, really, if someone has to call the cops on you after you've been heavily drinking, something is wrong, honestly. I say this as someone who has lived through college / university years and tolerated a lot of drunks that didn't cause law enforcement to show up.



DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 12171 times:

They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 12154 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 5):
It sounds funny though that the 43y/o was mooning traffic. Too bad the article didn't have any pictures.

Actually, I'm pretty thankful for that.  Smile



DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2694 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11935 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

So, are you on the road 150-230 nights a year?


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11815 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that will work.  Yeah sure

Its not like we can't drink for a certain amount of hours before we go flying already and a good chunk of the overnights are too short to allow it.

But yeah, just ban it. Screw personal responsibility, that makes sense.  Yeah sure



"A pilot's plane she is. She will love you if you deserve it, and try to kill you if you don't...She is the Mighty Q400"
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11771 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 5):
I think the PI charges are acceptable.

It sounds funny though that the 43y/o was mooning traffic. Too bad the article didn't have any pictures.

So if you want to see pictures, how can you say its indecent?

Quoting DingDong (Reply 7):
Well, the problem is... their names were linked to the company.

And that would be true of any group any of us ever worked for.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11700 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 12):
Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 5):
I think the PI charges are acceptable.

It sounds funny though that the 43y/o was mooning traffic. Too bad the article didn't have any pictures.

So if you want to see pictures, how can you say its indecent?

I said the PI charges were fair. PI=Public intoxication.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11650 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):

They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

Oh brother. Do you gather for bible study before bed, too?

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 10):
So, are you on the road 150-230 nights a year?

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The vast majority of crewmembers are trusted with millions of dollars of equipment, hundreds of lives, and the judgement to behave responsibly on a layover.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11603 times:



Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):

They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

Oh brother. Do you gather for bible study before bed, too?

So what if he/they did?  sarcastic 

Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 10):
So, are you on the road 150-230 nights a year?




The vast majority of crewmembers are trusted with millions of dollars of equipment, hundreds of lives, and the judgement to behave responsibly on a layover.

They're asked to do quite a bit in spending so much time on the road - people don't understand that these regional guys do several hours per day in the cockpit plus time spent on the ground during turns, not to mention short overnights at times.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11543 times:



Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
The vast majority of crewmembers are trusted with millions of dollars of equipment, hundreds of lives, and the judgement to behave responsibly on a layover.

Well, as long as they weren't in violation of the carrier's "bottle to throttle" rule, the only reason this is any of the company's business at all is that they identified themselves as employees of the company, harming the company's reputation.

If they hadn't said who they worked for and their (sensitive) position - presuming this is the only time they've been involved in such an incident - it really wouldn't be any of the employer's business.

Now if it's happened before, that suggests an alcohol problem which, considering their job, IS the company's business and action would be called for.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11491 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

Poor you. That sucks. My companies overnight trips usually involve: heavy drinking, hooking up with coworkers, and many other things that I never seem to remember but always regret.
 Silly

In fact at our meetings, my boss always challenges me to a drinking game.

I dont see why it should have to be different with pilots. As long as they are sober, not hung over, and get some sort of rest for the return flights.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 12):
And that would be true of any group any of us ever worked for.

Yes indeed.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
A guy just can't have any fun anymore.



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school.

Yeah really. Granted this might have been on the immature side, but I have to admit it sounds fun. Let the guy have a good time as long as hes sober for the return. There were no details on when this dude was schueduled to return so we cant make any judgements on that.

I for one would love to party with him!



Stewed...Lewd...Crude...Irreverent...Belligerent
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10903 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.

Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

...and Moses separated the waters for the people of Israel...

Please tell me you are kidding!!!!

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 10):
So, are you on the road 150-230 nights a year?

Thank you

Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
Oh brother. Do you gather for bible study before bed, too?

...and is saving himself for that special one, after marriage that is!

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.

Poor you. That sucks. My companies overnight trips usually involve: heavy drinking, hooking up with coworkers, and many other things that I never seem to remember but always regret.

Ok, who do you work for and are they hiring????



Honestly...if you are not a crewmember then you have no idea what its like to finally be off a plane after being on duty 12-14 hours. After that kind of day a cold beer (or 2, or 3, or 4...) is my best friend!!!!


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10823 times:

If regionals banned drinking than all kaos would break out. People are just plain stupid and the case in question shows it.

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineSalukipilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10822 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 18):
Honestly...if you are not a crewmember then you have no idea what its like to finally be off a plane after being on duty 12-14 hours. After that kind of day a cold beer (or 2, or 3, or 4...) is my best friend!!!!

I quoted this for absolute truth.

Any of you A.net-ers want to run your mouths from the safety of your computer screens remember this:

You DONT fly an airplane....you DONT have the responsibility stressing you out and you DON'T have any reason to question those of us who do.

Monday morning quarterbacking and PPL-Amazing is what makes the A.net forums an absolute abortion of aviation.

Now I have been to the mexican place that this crew went to and I have had my fair share of brews but I have never mooned traffic on the walk back. Just remember...you all have done something at some time which would have got you arrested.

...and for the love of GOD please stop thinking you know what us airline pilots lives are like... Unless you advance the thrust levers for a living you DONT understand...

Rant Over



Silver Airways Captain
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10698 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 13):
I said the PI charges were fair. PI=Public intoxication.

Ah, OK. I thought you were saying PI= Public Indecency. I'll let go of your chain now.  Smile



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

An arrest is an over reaction in my book.

Really bad idea yes, however im in favor of the crew. Most people on this board arent air crew members. When you have a long over night and want to go have fun the only thing stopping you is your 8 or 12 hour limit. Obviously mooning cars is a dumb idea, however when your drunk when do you have good ideas? You dont, your drunk. Doesnt make them bad pilots or crew. Yes it looks really bad for the airline and the job but who hasnt had a night where you do something dumb when your drunk? I know crews and employees of major airlines that get drunk and stupid all the time, however its YOUR time....you do what you want. Just not when its gonna affect your employment of the airline or determine weather you have a job in the morning. Im just saying be gentle on this crew. They where having stupid drunkin fun that everyone has had before but they got busted. Also remember.....

How accurate is our media? There are always 2 sides to a story...

[Edited 2008-09-28 18:21:39]

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

Okay, so I'm in college and I find this hilarious. Especially since he is 43. And TYS...please tell me how you COULD NOT get drunk there on an overnight? It's either that or subjecting yourself to severe boredom or strip clubs.

And for those older users that say, "this is disgusting" or "ban drinking on overnights" should really get a life. Tell me that you haven't been there when you went to college. I swear, some people like to pretend that they never had a good time back in the day.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

I am glad there are not any pictures because I see a bunch of assholes every day and they are fully clothed.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
25 PilotNTrng : As if Alcoa " Alkillya" Highway needed anymore distractions. Anyone that has ever driven to McGee Tyson Airport, knows what I am talking about. Nice o
26 As777 : Wow. Really? In my organization, its promoted! My boss has been to every place I go to now, when I have to go, he tells me the best bars to go to, or
27 WestJetYQQ : I think it's a shame that the names of pilots must me so attached to the airlines. They make headlines so easily. You'll never see a headline like "Of
28 PilotNTrng : Since they were "off the clock" and perhaps deadheading the next morning or not flying 8 hours bottle to throttle , will they be fired? This isn't a t
29 FlyDeltaJets87 : Military personnel can spend a year or more in locations where no alcohol consumption is allowed, and you might get leave just a few days in that yea
30 Cubsrule : Are you suggesting that I shouldn't question the judgment of someone who gets extremely drunk and moons traffic? If my doctor did that, I'd be pretty
31 727forever : And the Bible Thumping Tee Totelers make their grand appearance. What's next, banning drinking on days off because it might affect your judgement whe
32 Cubsrule : As someone who flies AX several times a month, I'm curious what you mean by that. They seem, in my experience, no better or worse than most regionals
33 Bobs89irocz : When i make what a doctor makes then i would think twice about not drinking on my overnights...Until then, you become an airline pilot and tell your
34 Cubsrule : Why should level of compensation determine what someone can and cannot do on his overnights? I don't know of any doctors that have killed 50 people i
35 DingDong : The key to being an adult here is... if you want to imbibe alcohol and am of legal age, fine, have fun. But whatever you do, don't screw up so badly
36 SupraZachAir : I think I've found a video of this same captain... you'll have to skip forward to 4:45 into it.
37 GoBoeing : That is the military. This is a discussion of airline flying though. So the military does not apply. I do understand your comparison, however, but I
38 Post contains links TheGreatChecko : Ok, so it was a poor argument linking pay with how much you'd drink. I think the only change would be what you drank, not necessarily how much. Howeve
39 Rampart : Well said. I have admiration for the level of skill, education, experience, and tenacity required to be a pilot or other crew member. I cannot stand
40 Wjcandee : In most jurisdictions, cops have much better things to do than arrest people for public intoxication. It's a hard charge to get a conviction on, becau
41 Jetjeanes : This stuff happens all over the united states in just about every major city everyday. But when the word airline pilots come to light bells are set of
42 MikeygFLL : if the crew wants to have fun i say let them. a lot of us drink and go to work the next day i dont think we have to single out pilots just cause they
43 Airbuster : So if i just had a 12 hour duty day with 4 stretches, de-icing, winter weather, delayed flights, etc etc etc. I get in the hotel, tired and needing t
44 Xpat : Finally, someone brought up this point. It would be a whole different story then wouldn't it? If a passenger were "just letting off steam" because th
45 Cubsrule : My point was simply that the potential for catastrophic results is a better criterion than pay for what professionals ought to be able to drink in th
46 Av8rDAL : My roommate is an F/O for Pinnacle Airlines and I've heard about some of the overnights these guys do (called "highspeeds" internally). You get an 8
47 Highflier92660 : What do I take from this sobering article? Is it the dangers of alcoholic abuse compounded by the fact that this was a regional jet crew hours away fr
48 AndyinPIT : First of all you dont even know the captain so you can not say anything bad about him! Second of all do you always believe what you hear in the news!!
49 Illini_152 : Except doctors don't generally face the same fate as their patients when they screw up. A doctor screws the pooch and kills someone, and they can kee
50 Cubsrule : So that justifies excessive alcohol consumption?
51 Rampart : Teachers? Police? Firefighters? Surgeons? Corporate executive? Priests? Military? Actors? Rock stars? Star athlete? Your local politician? Pilots? --
52 Tommy767 : Oh yeah! great place, I go there from time to time. El tarasco on Manchester near LAX is also great, but I rarely see LAX crews. I think In and Out i
53 Mikefad : Gotta agree with you on that point......But after a certain age this type of behavior isn't even funny anymore. I'd equate it with the kids who were
54 FlyDeltaJets87 : There's a difference between 2 or 3 to help you relax and having enough to get so intoxicated as to where you're doing stupid shit in public and to s
55 Wjcandee : And, apparently, minor ones as well, like the one involved here. Truly MAJOR airports, as I'm sure you know, are an *insane* scene if you know where
56 TheGreatChecko : No, it doesn't. I think he was trying to point out that comparing these two professions makes no sense. If anything, a pilot has a whole heck of a lo
57 TheGreatChecko : Not all regional overnights are at reduced rest. (8 hours is considered reduced rest) While overnights come in all shapes and sizes, many are in exce
58 Cubsrule : No, a (limited) comparison is completely valid. Pilots and doctors both have the ability to kill people. Neither should be drinking to the point that
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