SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2183 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12412 times:
A guy just can't have any fun anymore.
Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school. I think an arrest is an over reaction. Perhaps a stern discussion about discretion. By stern I mean the cop talks, the mooners listen, and say "yes sir" a lot.
Probably end up on some sex offenders register, further diluting it's point for being.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12043 times:
I think the number of such incidents is actually lower than in the past as alcohol issues and behaviours are generally less tolerated than in the past. As a result the arrest and charges being filed has increased (it is no longer just get them back to the hotel to sleep it off).
At the same time, press coverage of such events has increased. It used to be that this would not even be considered a story worth reporting.
I do believe that most people do understand that this is a general people issue that affects all professions. Not just with alcohol either. We all have had episodes of poor judgement.
Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school. I think an arrest is an over reaction.
Well, the problem is... their names were linked to the company. It's a real bad idea in general, career-wise, to be caught in public with something embarrassing that could be easily traced back to the company you work for.
If the guy hadn't mentioned who he was working for or what he did for a living, then it would have had been easier for the company to just simply put them through some kind of internal discipline + external assistance program. But when it becomes as public as it does, well, hoo boy! All bets are off in that particular case.
But, really, if someone has to call the cops on you after you've been heavily drinking, something is wrong, honestly. I say this as someone who has lived through college / university years and tolerated a lot of drunks that didn't cause law enforcement to show up.
They ought to just ban drinking on the overnights and be done with it.
Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.
Oh brother. Do you gather for bible study before bed, too?
So what if he/they did?
Quoting Travatl (Reply 14): Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 10):
So, are you on the road 150-230 nights a year?
The vast majority of crewmembers are trusted with millions of dollars of equipment, hundreds of lives, and the judgement to behave responsibly on a layover.
They're asked to do quite a bit in spending so much time on the road - people don't understand that these regional guys do several hours per day in the cockpit plus time spent on the ground during turns, not to mention short overnights at times.
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11311 times:
Quoting Travatl (Reply 14): The vast majority of crewmembers are trusted with millions of dollars of equipment, hundreds of lives, and the judgement to behave responsibly on a layover.
Well, as long as they weren't in violation of the carrier's "bottle to throttle" rule, the only reason this is any of the company's business at all is that they identified themselves as employees of the company, harming the company's reputation.
If they hadn't said who they worked for and their (sensitive) position - presuming this is the only time they've been involved in such an incident - it really wouldn't be any of the employer's business.
Now if it's happened before, that suggests an alcohol problem which, considering their job, IS the company's business and action would be called for.
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4): Granted, this is the kind of stuff some of us did in college or high school.
Yeah really. Granted this might have been on the immature side, but I have to admit it sounds fun. Let the guy have a good time as long as hes sober for the return. There were no details on when this dude was schueduled to return so we cant make any judgements on that.
Quoting Travatl (Reply 14): Oh brother. Do you gather for bible study before bed, too?
...and is saving himself for that special one, after marriage that is!
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17): Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):
Our organization does not allow alcohol consumption on overnight business trips.
Poor you. That sucks. My companies overnight trips usually involve: heavy drinking, hooking up with coworkers, and many other things that I never seem to remember but always regret.
Ok, who do you work for and are they hiring????
Honestly...if you are not a crewmember then you have no idea what its like to finally be off a plane after being on duty 12-14 hours. After that kind of day a cold beer (or 2, or 3, or 4...) is my best friend!!!!
Salukipilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10590 times:
Quoting OOer (Reply 18): Honestly...if you are not a crewmember then you have no idea what its like to finally be off a plane after being on duty 12-14 hours. After that kind of day a cold beer (or 2, or 3, or 4...) is my best friend!!!!
I quoted this for absolute truth.
Any of you A.net-ers want to run your mouths from the safety of your computer screens remember this:
You DONT fly an airplane....you DONT have the responsibility stressing you out and you DON'T have any reason to question those of us who do.
Monday morning quarterbacking and PPL-Amazing is what makes the A.net forums an absolute abortion of aviation.
Now I have been to the mexican place that this crew went to and I have had my fair share of brews but I have never mooned traffic on the walk back. Just remember...you all have done something at some time which would have got you arrested.
...and for the love of GOD please stop thinking you know what us airline pilots lives are like... Unless you advance the thrust levers for a living you DONT understand...
I dont know what the hell im doing here.....someone help me....please!!!
Bobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10130 times:
An arrest is an over reaction in my book.
Really bad idea yes, however im in favor of the crew. Most people on this board arent air crew members. When you have a long over night and want to go have fun the only thing stopping you is your 8 or 12 hour limit. Obviously mooning cars is a dumb idea, however when your drunk when do you have good ideas? You dont, your drunk. Doesnt make them bad pilots or crew. Yes it looks really bad for the airline and the job but who hasnt had a night where you do something dumb when your drunk? I know crews and employees of major airlines that get drunk and stupid all the time, however its YOUR time....you do what you want. Just not when its gonna affect your employment of the airline or determine weather you have a job in the morning. Im just saying be gentle on this crew. They where having stupid drunkin fun that everyone has had before but they got busted. Also remember.....
How accurate is our media? There are always 2 sides to a story...
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9998 times:
Okay, so I'm in college and I find this hilarious. Especially since he is 43. And TYS...please tell me how you COULD NOT get drunk there on an overnight? It's either that or subjecting yourself to severe boredom or strip clubs.
And for those older users that say, "this is disgusting" or "ban drinking on overnights" should really get a life. Tell me that you haven't been there when you went to college. I swear, some people like to pretend that they never had a good time back in the day.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller