Ncelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10006 times:
As discussed in earlier postings, the BA 752 fleet will eventually be phased out, with some aircraft (the ETOPS rated ones) probably going to Open Skies & the others probably being sold.
Does anybody have an idea when that will take place? I am asking this because last week I flew on 2 BA 752s and my goodness were they in a bad cosmetic condition. Outside: the radome was pitted, with paint chipping. Paint chipping around the cockpit windows. Engine cowling & pylons with chipped paint. Flaps showing thick trails of oil/dirt, crackling paint on top of the wings - simply awful.
Inside it wasn't any better: leather seats with cracking upholstery, folded tables that had different colour from one seat to the next (some blue, some beige, and of a different type). Disjointed ceiling & storage bin fittings, including some panels that were falling off (with cables appearing behind them), ripped/worn seat pockets.
I was simply amazed that BA would let such a bird fly. I am sure it was safe to fly, but is this the image that BA wants to portray? At least a minimum of cosmetic doing-up was required, like putting panels back together.
Even in the latter days of the first batch of 752s (G-BIK*) they didn't look that worn out.... I wonder how much longer BA will offer this product in its current state.
CityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9182 times:
Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4): BA is bad at keeping its plane in top tip conditions inside!
Unfortunately, I have to concur. It's embarrassing, and I think a lot of people higher up the ladder at BA need to get out of their fancy offices and 'get dirty' by checking out their product now and then - and that doesn't mean the odd First class flight to visit the office in New York.
They shouldn't be looking too tired as the seats are the space saver seats that where fitted to all the A319, A320 and 757 aircraft to add an extra row on each aircraft a year or two ago.
If I remember rightly the BUS series of aircraft where last to be fitted with the seats as they where originally planned to have been removed from the fleet and retired.
When it comes to the 747's BA is currently in process of refurbishing all the toilets on the 747's, With new lights, White walls and silver and blue detailing. However the WT/WTP cabin upgrade is looking like not happening to 2010.
The WT/WTP relaunch was planned to coincide with the delivery of BA's first new 787-836 aircraft. They were originally due start entering service in Aug 2010. Now with deliveries being delayed by anything up to and over a year they are now looking at the possibility of rolling it out on the 777 fleet first.
The reason the 777'swill probably get the refurb first is because when the older 777's (G-ZZZA-C, G-RAES and G-VIIA-N) are fitted with the new CW seats they will not have the new Rockwell AVOD due to the older 777's being fitted with a non Rockwell IFE system called G-MIIS. To change the G-MIIS system to the new avod would mean all the current IFE cabling being pulled out and new Rockwell cabling being fitted. BA have decided that the cost of rewiring could not be justified. This is because when BA relauch WT/WTP all longhaul aircraft will be re fitted with a brand new state of the art IFE system. At the same time as the new seats are fitted.
A340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6888 times:
While some 747's are looking tired I wouldn't go as far as to say it's embarassing. In fact I think most of the longhaul fleet are in a good cosmetic condition. The 767's were all dusked and the 777's look fine, with the exception of some older examples. The 747's are getting attention. I noticed brand new jumpseats and panels on one example with the new toilets the other day.
On a slightly different subject, it's about time BA replaced the ugly and old fashioned pink and blue headrest covers in WT. They replaced the ugly WTP examples with a light blue cloth, in WT they could keep the lower material but use a more modern and uniform colour, the current doesn't really match BA.
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LHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6683 times:
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 7): The WT/WTP relaunch was planned to coincide with the delivery of BA's first new 787-836 aircraft. They were originally due start entering service in Aug 2010. Now with deliveries being delayed by anything up to and over a year they are now looking at the possibility of rolling it out on the 777 fleet first.
Very interesting... so is the plan possibly that at least some of the older 744s will never get the new WT/WTP because by 2010/2011 they will soon be getting phased out and replaced by A380?
Also, I guess the A380 will be arriving before the 787 now.
Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned forever skyward
I flew BUSJ in July, and the cabin was looking very worn. Pieces of the ceiling falling off, dirty walls, bits of the seats were tattered and torn. Not a great impression really, if it was someones first time on BA.
Virtual From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
The tattiest plane I've ever been on was BA 747 in 1996. Both the exterior and interior were in terrible condition. The insides of the doors had been re-painted with a brush! The sort of thing you would expect from a third-world carrier, not BA.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
The date for 787's had slipped to 2012, I'm hearing rumours that 2013 is more likely.
So possible we'll get the A380 in service before the 787, despite the original schedule of 787's in service 2 years before the A380.
I think if you could go on board much or all of a major airline's fleet over a short period of time, you'd find enough aircraft with imperfect interiors, some less than good exteriors too.
Not an excuse, but BA is far from unique here.
767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4): Hands up, BA is bad at keeping its plane in top tip conditions inside
agreed, other airlines like Thomson when buying older planes such as 757/767's and other second hand 737-800's are re fitting all their interiors to look brand new, this year ( actually yesterday) i flew on a First Choice A321, was told by the pilots it was about 11 years old, the cockpit was looking old with paint chipping in some places, but the cabin was immaculate.
If FCA and Thomson can afford to do it i'm sure BA will have no problem
Skyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
I recently flew from SYD-LHR on a BA 747 in economy. On the way there, a girl across the aisle from me had a reading light that kept flicking on and off regularly at random. It was a full flight and she had the same seat all the way. By the time we landed at LHR, she was hysterical and in tears.
OK, she might have been a little more sensitive than the average person but I have to admit that it would have been pretty annoying after 21 hours. B.A. had tortured the poor girl with sensery deprivation!
On the way back I flew premium economy and my seat was broken and wouldn't recline fully. Not only that but my IFE wasn't working in my seat and the entire row behind. Once again it was a full flight so there were no spare seats when I asked to move. The stewardess did not even apologize about the seat or IFE, which is pretty appalling for a Premium Economy seat!
The long haul fleet needs some love and attention if my 2 flights were anything to go by.