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BA 752 Fleet Looks Tired  
User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

As discussed in earlier postings, the BA 752 fleet will eventually be phased out, with some aircraft (the ETOPS rated ones) probably going to Open Skies & the others probably being sold.

Does anybody have an idea when that will take place? I am asking this because last week I flew on 2 BA 752s and my goodness were they in a bad cosmetic condition. Outside: the radome was pitted, with paint chipping. Paint chipping around the cockpit windows. Engine cowling & pylons with chipped paint. Flaps showing thick trails of oil/dirt, crackling paint on top of the wings - simply awful.
Inside it wasn't any better: leather seats with cracking upholstery, folded tables that had different colour from one seat to the next (some blue, some beige, and of a different type). Disjointed ceiling & storage bin fittings, including some panels that were falling off (with cables appearing behind them), ripped/worn seat pockets.

I was simply amazed that BA would let such a bird fly. I am sure it was safe to fly, but is this the image that BA wants to portray? At least a minimum of cosmetic doing-up was required, like putting panels back together.
Even in the latter days of the first batch of 752s (G-BIK*) they didn't look that worn out.... I wonder how much longer BA will offer this product in its current state.

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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

I dont think this is limited to the 752 fleet. The 747's also look quite tired at the moment.


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User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Given the economic climate, it might it be that BA are choosing to use their finances/resources more wisely by keeping their aircraft mechanically sound rather than cosmetically.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 9505 times:

Are all BA B752s RB211-535E4 equipped or are there a few -535C around.
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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 9284 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
I dont think this is limited to the 752 fleet. The 747's also look quite tired at the moment.

... and the A320s (BUS* series)
... and the B767s

Really only the A319/320 (new)/321/777 look good at BA currently, and that's only because they're new.

Hands up, BA is bad at keeping its plane in top tip conditions inside!

It's widely expected that BA's 752 will all go to OpenSkies in a matter of months, as more A320/321s arrive steadily in the BA mainline LHR fleet. Good riddance I say!


User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 9223 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
BA is bad at keeping its plane in top tip conditions inside!

 checkmark 

Unfortunately, I have to concur. It's embarrassing, and I think a lot of people higher up the ladder at BA need to get out of their fancy offices and 'get dirty' by checking out their product now and then - and that doesn't mean the odd First class flight to visit the office in New York.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 8722 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Are all BA B752s RB211-535E4 equipped or are there a few -535C around

All have E4 engines now.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 8218 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):

... and the A320s (BUS* series)

They shouldn't be looking too tired as the seats are the space saver seats that where fitted to all the A319, A320 and 757 aircraft to add an extra row on each aircraft a year or two ago.

If I remember rightly the BUS series of aircraft where last to be fitted with the seats as they where originally planned to have been removed from the fleet and retired.

When it comes to the 747's BA is currently in process of refurbishing all the toilets on the 747's, With new lights, White walls and silver and blue detailing. However the WT/WTP cabin upgrade is looking like not happening to 2010.

The WT/WTP relaunch was planned to coincide with the delivery of BA's first new 787-836 aircraft. They were originally due start entering service in Aug 2010. Now with deliveries being delayed by anything up to and over a year they are now looking at the possibility of rolling it out on the 777 fleet first.

The reason the 777'swill probably get the refurb first is because when the older 777's (G-ZZZA-C, G-RAES and G-VIIA-N) are fitted with the new CW seats they will not have the new Rockwell AVOD due to the older 777's being fitted with a non Rockwell IFE system called G-MIIS. To change the G-MIIS system to the new avod would mean all the current IFE cabling being pulled out and new Rockwell cabling being fitted. BA have decided that the cost of rewiring could not be justified. This is because when BA relauch WT/WTP all longhaul aircraft will be re fitted with a brand new state of the art IFE system. At the same time as the new seats are fitted.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 6929 times:

While some 747's are looking tired I wouldn't go as far as to say it's embarassing. In fact I think most of the longhaul fleet are in a good cosmetic condition. The 767's were all dusked and the 777's look fine, with the exception of some older examples. The 747's are getting attention. I noticed brand new jumpseats and panels on one example with the new toilets the other day.

On a slightly different subject, it's about time BA replaced the ugly and old fashioned pink and blue headrest covers in WT. They replaced the ugly WTP examples with a light blue cloth, in WT they could keep the lower material but use a more modern and uniform colour, the current doesn't really match BA.



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 6724 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 7):
The WT/WTP relaunch was planned to coincide with the delivery of BA's first new 787-836 aircraft. They were originally due start entering service in Aug 2010. Now with deliveries being delayed by anything up to and over a year they are now looking at the possibility of rolling it out on the 777 fleet first.

Very interesting... so is the plan possibly that at least some of the older 744s will never get the new WT/WTP because by 2010/2011 they will soon be getting phased out and replaced by A380?

Also, I guess the A380 will be arriving before the 787 now.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 6301 times:



Quoting A340600 (Reply 8):
While some 747's are looking tired I wouldn't go as far as to say it's embarassing

 checkmark  I agree. I've seen pics on the BA 747s and they look just fine compared to UA and NWs



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 6090 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
I agree. I've seen pics on the BA 747s and they look just fine compared to UA and NWs

I ahve flown on 4 744s of BA this year and all of them were fine. The WT and CW were all fine and they are far from being embaressing.

Last time I flew a 757 was last year from LHR to EDI and it was also in good condition.



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User currently offlineDanTaylor2006 From UK - England, joined Feb 2006, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 5904 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
... and the A320s (BUS* series)

 checkmark  I flew BUSJ in July, and the cabin was looking very worn. Pieces of the ceiling falling off, dirty walls, bits of the seats were tattered and torn. Not a great impression really, if it was someones first time on BA.

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
... and the B767s

I flew BZHA in March, and it wasn't actually that bad inside. Pretty decent cabin still, on that a/c at least. Of course, it didn't match the A319 on the outbound, but it wasn't that bad.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 5753 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 11):
I ahve flown on 4 744s of BA this year and all of them were fine. The WT and CW were all fine and they are far from being embaressing.

Yup. And give BA credit for installing PTV's in all cabins. Domestic Carriers are too cheap to do that these days.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

BA shares have lost 25% in just five days- AF "only" 4 %..
To me the British carrier is becoming a bargain purchase for a wealthy ME/Gulf carrier.



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User currently offlineVirtual From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

The tattiest plane I've ever been on was BA 747 in 1996. Both the exterior and interior were in terrible condition. The insides of the doors had been re-painted with a brush! The sort of thing you would expect from a third-world carrier, not BA.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13213 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

The date for 787's had slipped to 2012, I'm hearing rumours that 2013 is more likely.
So possible we'll get the A380 in service before the 787, despite the original schedule of 787's in service 2 years before the A380.

I think if you could go on board much or all of a major airline's fleet over a short period of time, you'd find enough aircraft with imperfect interiors, some less than good exteriors too.
Not an excuse, but BA is far from unique here.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4707 times:



Quoting Virtual (Reply 15):
The insides of the doors had been re-painted with a brush!

They are in the process of refreshing the lavs on the 747's at the moment but prior to this they have been painting the lav walls leaving very obvious stroke marks.
Agreed, very naff!



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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4201 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 14):
BA shares have lost 25% in just five days- AF "only" 4 %..
To me the British carrier is becoming a bargain purchase for a wealthy ME/Gulf carrier

Are you smoking crack???



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3317 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 14):
BA shares have lost 25% in just five days- AF "only" 4 %..
To me the British carrier is becoming a bargain purchase for a wealthy ME/Gulf carrier.

As discussed many times, its simply not possible. British & EU rules would not allow the majority of any EU airline to fall into non EU hands.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3092 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Are all BA B752s RB211-535E4 equipped or are there a few -535C around.

When BA operated many 757 many were the -535C version since most sectors were short length. Today what remnains of BA's 757 are the -535E.


User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1091 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
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Dirty oily and chipped paint causes increased fuel burn wasting money.  old 

User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2149 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
Hands up, BA is bad at keeping its plane in top tip conditions inside

agreed, other airlines like Thomson when buying older planes such as 757/767's and other second hand 737-800's are re fitting all their interiors to look brand new, this year ( actually yesterday) i flew on a First Choice A321, was told by the pilots it was about 11 years old, the cockpit was looking old with paint chipping in some places, but the cabin was immaculate.

If FCA and Thomson can afford to do it i'm sure BA will have no problem


User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

I recently flew from SYD-LHR on a BA 747 in economy. On the way there, a girl across the aisle from me had a reading light that kept flicking on and off regularly at random. It was a full flight and she had the same seat all the way. By the time we landed at LHR, she was hysterical and in tears.
OK, she might have been a little more sensitive than the average person but I have to admit that it would have been pretty annoying after 21 hours. B.A. had tortured the poor girl with sensery deprivation!

On the way back I flew premium economy and my seat was broken and wouldn't recline fully. Not only that but my IFE wasn't working in my seat and the entire row behind. Once again it was a full flight so there were no spare seats when I asked to move. The stewardess did not even apologize about the seat or IFE, which is pretty appalling for a Premium Economy seat!

The long haul fleet needs some love and attention if my 2 flights were anything to go by.


User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1630 times:



Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 23):

I'm sure in both cases, if contacted, BA will offer some kind of compensation for the maintainance failures.


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