L'Espace180 From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 940 posts, RR: 4 Posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 961 times:
Hello, I just read on the Orders EGroup that Lufthansa will soon order the AirBus A380, with 10 firm and 15 options. However, no source were mentioned.
Could anyone confirm this with a link to reliable source ?
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 641 times:
Lufthansa opts for Airbus A380
By Tasso Enzweiler in Cologne and Gerhard Hegmann in Munich
Published: March 15 2001 20:50GMT | Last Updated: March 15 2001 21:30GMT
Lufthansa, the German air-line, is close to placing an order for 10 A380 super-jumbos with Airbus in a package that would be worth $5.75bn at list prices, according to Financial Times Deutschland.
Europe's second largest airline, which will also take options on a further 15 of the 555-seater air-craft, is still negotiating the pricing details with the Toulouse-based aircraft maker.
Airbus is thought to have granted discounts of up to 30 per cent off list price to so-called "launch customers" for the aircraft.
Lufthansa is likely to delay an official announcement of its decision to buy the A380 as it is involved in delicate nego-tiations with its pilots, who have asked for wage increases of between 30 per cent and 80 per cent.
The deal would make Lufthansa the 10th customer for the A380 and will take Airbus's total firm orders for the aircraft to 76.
Airbus launched the $10.7bn programme to build the superjumbo in late December after securing 50 orders from five airlines and one aircraft leasing company.
Airbus, which is owned 80 per cent by European Aeronautic Defence and Space company and 20 per cent by BAE Systems of the UK, has so far won all the hard-fought contests with Boeing in the last year for their very large aircraft.
Boeing, which is offering airlines the B747X, a stretched version of Boeing's 747-400 jumbo, has so far failed to secure a single order, raising doubts that the aircraft will ever get built.
The A380, which is due to enter service with Singapore Airlines in 2006, will break Boeing's monopoly on the very large aircraft market which it has held for 30 years with the 747.
Sndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 613 times:
Anyone who dares to say that this is a very unreliable source? I don't think so. But I agree with those that we have to be patient and wait for the actual announcement. And who knows, they may be talking with Boeing about the 747x or 747xF.
NUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 609 times:
Next up Thai airways!
$575 million per aircraft? Are they actually paying the list price?
With all the money that LH made last year and the year before that and the year before that it would be crazy for Airbus to offer more crazy discounts. They proved that people want the plane now charge them what its worth. I don't know if I like the fact that my taxes are going to helping a company sell an aircraft at a loss. In related news to LH it looks like Eurowings isn't a lost cause yet (check the latest news).
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Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 606 times:
I think the number stated includes options, as well as firm orders. And it says '...would be worth $5.75bn at list prices', so it will be worth less with the discounts airlines receive from manufacturers. Then again, nothing is firm, so let's cross our fingers.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8477 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 594 times:
Archie, my thoughts exactly.
But anyone who thought LH might not buy the A380 (let alone get the 747X - LH are not idiots!) is wrong, since LH would have been consulted at every stage of the process and built with them in mind. Airbus don't spend $12 billion without asking around to see if they can sell some during the process. If LH had said all along they weren't sure or weren't going to buy it it's possible the plane wouldn't have been built. The Germans in many ways are more important to Airbus than the French, it's one of the main sites of Airbus airliner production and the manufacturer's biggest European market.
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Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11375 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 591 times:
LH is -since a few years already- one of the most profitable airlines in the world and for sure Europe´s best run.
Their Jumbo fleet is growing all the time. So its no wonder that the Super-Airbus will soon be theirs. They have been one of the key contributors of Airbus during the project development.
On the other hand I give the 747X-freighter a bigger chance for LH-Cargo. For their kind of often heavy and big cargo it should be the better solution than the Airbus A380F. And also its still possible if these order rumours are true that in future we´ll see also the 747X (non-stretch) flying with LHs passenger fleet. There is a huge gap between the A340-600 and the A380.
Fqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 571 times:
Yeah, I just saw the story on the business segment of CNN's World News. I'm not surprised that Lufthansa is thinking about the A380, I flew on one of their 747s to Hong Kong in January and it was absolutely full - I mean, they fly there 8 or 9 times a week and still manage to fill a 747 in mid-January. I talked to one of the stewardesses and she said it was normal to be 95% full on that route, and in high season the flights are booked out months and months in advance. That is definately one route for the A380.