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Next New A380 Order?  
User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19434 times:

When are we expecting our next totally new order for this massive aircraft? CX? JL? UA?

Cam

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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19380 times:

NH ? OZ ? AI ? IB ? JJ ?

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

NH - expect an announcement shortly.

(although i've been saying that for 18 months now lol)  Wink



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 18932 times:

Not JL.
No money.
No interest.
Moving to ETOPS fleet.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18672 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Not JL.
No money.
No interest.
Moving to ETOPS fleet.

JAL said A380 runs counter to a trend in the market a few yrs ago.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...1/2/business/15891497&sec=business

But what if everybody around you just doesn't understand..


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18610 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Not JL.
No money.
No interest.
Moving to ETOPS fleet.

It was rumored for awhile that JL is looking at A350s and A330s.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
NH - expect an announcement shortly.

(although i've been saying that for 18 months now lol)

I believe that, too, maybe not the next but definitely one of the next customers

Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
AI

Definitely a possibilty

Quoting Ctang (Thread starter):
CX

I hope they will order the 747-8I instead

Quoting Ctang (Thread starter):
UA

No chance in hell, they have to make profit first. I expect them to order a 787/A350 sized aircraft first if they order any new aircraft at all. Would be nice to see a DL/NW order sometime but I also expect them to order the 747-8I/F makes the most sense for them.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18378 times:

I've heard of orders from 9W, AI, NH and IB.

I'd say all will have ordered the type by 2012. As for CX, well I see them going for a bigger/longer ranged version so wait until Airbus start selling an A389 or A388R and I think we'll see them buy them.

If such planes are not forthcoming, then they may well order the baseline A388 anyway for routes to Europe. It may be that the baseline A388 will be long-ranged enough with a few tweaks in a few years that Airbus do not need to offer an A388R - we'll see.

BTW - I booked my first A388 trip - LHR_SIN on SQ in Feb/Mar 09. Happy Days!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18262 times:

I can see Al Nippon and Cathay Pacific ordering it but not sure about Iberia. Has anyone considered the possibility that a South American airline might order it?


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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18230 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 7):
I can see Al Nippon and Cathay Pacific ordering it but not sure about Iberia. Has anyone considered the possibility that a South American airline might order it?

I have a hard time believing that GOL would be the most likely from South America. They probably wont be the next but I would bet more on something from India probably 9W.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18231 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 7):
Has anyone considered the possibility that a South American airline might order it?



Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
JJ ?

Is a Brazilian Carrier, also Aerolina Argentinas will get some.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18233 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 4):
JAL said A380 runs counter to a trend in the market a few yrs ago.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...1/2/business/15891497&sec=business

But what if everybody around you just doesn't understand..

One just has to laugh at the following quotes from JAL's CEO.  Wink While he was absolutely correct about the A380 delivery problems, he apparently did not see the 787 delays coming.  Wink

Thursday November 2, 2006

"The A380 is a completely controversial concept to the present aviation market," Nishimatsu told the Financial Times. "The A380 has a much bigger problem than the 787 in terms of delivery."

"I met with the new president of Boeing last week and he said that the deliveries would be on time," said Nishimatsu, after Boeing last week indicated that some 787 deliveries would be delayed. "If there is a delay it should only be a month or two."


http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...1/2/business/15891497&sec=business

I'm still hopeful to see ANA order the A380. All the signs have been present and plenty of rumours floating around. I still believe that its a matter of when and not if.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18231 times:

I think you will see that the customers that have ordered it will be about it. I don't see any US airline buying them ever.


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User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18145 times:

With the current upheaval in the financial markets the manufacturers should be trying to hold what they have. That said NH and CX would be the closest to a new order.

The US carriers have little cash and, unless ownership rules are relaxed, little possibility of securing sufficient cash to invest on a niche airplane. Also, until the US flying public changes from a frequency based want, there really isn't a need for the A380. Granted an A380 could take over two current routes and provide an extra widebody for deployment elsewhere, but a choice of leaving JFK at 1800, 2000 or 2200 (not one frequency at 1900) is desired. Any BA or AF 380 flights to the US will be interesting.

The frequency issue is one of the reasons some in US questioned the financial projections of the A380 from the get-go. It just does not fit with the US travel patterns, and thus the lack of demand from the US carriers. The economic issues are only making matters worse.


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18032 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
NH - expect an announcement shortly.

(although i've been saying that for 18 months now lol)

Yes, you have no credibility left...  Wink

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18033 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
I think you will see that the customers that have ordered it will be about it.

I think a lot of potential customers have been sittiong on the fence.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
I don't see any US airline buying them ever.

There is a big Pacific market from big US cities / hubs to big Asian cities /hubs. That market will further grow.

Soon Asian carriers will start flying A380's into the US no matter what US carriers do.

If fuel prices stay high those carriers will start putting more seats into their A380's, pushing CASM into a dive.

That could become a bend or break situation for US based operators (UA & DL / NWA).


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17910 times:

Depends if the 900-series becomes availble soon?

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17863 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 13):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
NH - expect an announcement shortly.

(although i've been saying that for 18 months now lol)

Yes, you have no credibility left..

Nah, he is doing fine. The standard delay for aviation matters has now been officially pronounced to be two years.  duck  Although this number is currently being revised.  duck   duck 


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17804 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Quoting Ctang (Thread starter):
CX

I hope they will order the 747-8I instead

So do I, and I believe they will order the A389 as well.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
As for CX, well I see them going for a bigger/longer ranged version so wait until Airbus start selling an A389 or A388R and I think we'll see them buy them.

If such planes are not forthcoming, then they may well order the baseline A388 anyway for routes to Europe. It may be that the baseline A388 will be long-ranged enough with a few tweaks in a few years that Airbus do not need to offer an A388R - we'll see.

I'm pretty sure there is enough interest for the A389, and John Leahy has stated that it will be built, EIS 2015. As far as the A388R is concerned, I don't think so - for the exact reasons you've mentioned. And I don't believe real ULH routes will ever be profitable enough (if ever) to justify developing a new model for that market.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
BTW - I booked my first A388 trip - LHR_SIN on SQ in Feb/Mar 09. Happy Days!

Something you can really look forward to!  Smile I'm a bit jealous, I must admit... Enough FF miles for a suite?  Big grin



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17784 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
I've heard of orders from 9W, AI

I very much doubt if AI/9W will go anywhere near the 380. 9W is having difficulty even deploying it's existing 77W fleet, and AI is deep in the red and is trying the pump the Indian govt for a cash bailout to keep flying.

So unless they really plan for the future (and don't have any financial obligations associated with the future plan), they're unlikely IMO to go for anything new.



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17685 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 8):
I have a hard time believing that GOL would be the most likely from South America

I bet G3 or RG would not decide for a such large plane on long haul flights. If they had management problems with B763´s, I assume that the A380 will be completely out of their lead.

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
JJ ?

Is a Brazilian Carrier

There were rumours last year about JJ getting up to 8 frames, targeting the 2014 World Cup In Brazil. But it was just a rumour, unfortunately. JJ has a large order on B77W and A350, so I think they are not even close to thinking of the A380.

Sds,

Joao Marcelo



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17271 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17):
I'm pretty sure there is enough interest for the A389, and John Leahy has stated that it will be built, EIS 2015.

2015 - I have to say i think that's extremely optimistic. You have the A388 which is not really selling as fast as it might, and Airbus wanting to sell as many as possible before offering a plane that will be jumped on by probably every single one of the current A388 backlog in probably the same numbers as the A388. It will destroy the A388's (and everything else's) economics and promises to be a hell of a plane. I think they would do well to wait though - learn from the A350, get it out there and EIS, and then incorporate the design improvements, engines etc. 2015 will be an awesome achievement if they can manage it.

Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17):
As far as the A388R is concerned, I don't think so - for the exact reasons you've mentioned. And I don't believe real ULH routes will ever be profitable enough (if ever) to justify developing a new model for that market.

I think in CX's case - they arent convinced the baseline A388 can go HKG-JFK both ways non-stop year round without some load penalty going west bound for some of the year. I think it is marginal - it may be that later A388s have performance tweaks compelling enough to get them on board.

Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17):
Something you can really look forward to!   I'm a bit jealous, I must admit... Enough FF miles for a suite?

Alas, a lifetime spend flying VS, BA, EY, EK, QR and U2 means that its economy class for me - gutted.

I'm just a poor airline/shipping analyst you see...  Sad



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17074 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 19):
There were rumours last year about JJ getting up to 8 frames, targeting the 2014 World Cup In Brazil.

I don't see the sense of buying aircraft where there is increased demand for a month or so. The 8 aircraft would likely cost way over $1 billion. Why not lease some of the widebodies retired due to the delivery of several hundred 787's, A330's and A350's in the years 2010-2013?


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17043 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
I hope they will order the 747-8I instead

Why order smaller plane than their competitors has?! And in terms of capacity A380 beats the 748i



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2229 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16986 times:

Until the economy turns around, the credit crisis is behind and a another boom cycle starts, I don't see any North American airline ordering an A380 soon. Hard to explain to shareholders that you are buying an A380 just to match some other airline, so you can continue to lose even more money. An order for a 748 would be easier to justify and airlines aren't jumping at that either. When you are struggling to keep afloat and keeping your investors happy you don't jump at spending money unless it is a solution for your current crisis or highly justifiable $$$ wise. Watch for a couple more airlines to merge or go under next. Then when fleets are rationalized and things operating smoothly maybe some orders will shake loose for either aircraft in North America. I frankly will be very surprized if that happens anytime soon.

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9979 posts, RR: 96
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16985 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
I don't see any US airline buying them ever.

Never is a long time.
For a while now, the economics of smaller widebodys has been encroaching on that of the 747, adding to the attractiveness of offering frequency. There may be instances where the much improved (and still improving) economics of the A380 might encourage some consolidation to take place (as QF have suggested they intend)
Dunno. Just speculating.

Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17):
And I don't believe real ULH routes will ever be profitable enough (if ever) to justify developing a new model for that market.

Although in my view, the development of a 600 tonne MTOW A388R from the existing plane is a pretty small task, (akin to, or possibly even less than, the effort that the 748i is beyond the 748F), given that things like the wings, engines and landing gear for that weight have already been designed.
The biggest design task IMO would be the centre tank and associated systems and controls.

That said, as the base aircraft will be tending towards A340-500 range around 2012 anyway, there must be few routes where the extra 1 000Nm range would be justified. (The fuel burn delta would be very small BTW..)

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 20):
2015 - I have to say i think that's extremely optimistic

I tend to agree for the reasons you have quoted. I reckon 2017-2018 feels about right, especially if the A380-900 is going to be more like the S U-H version... crossfingers 

Rgds


25 FlyDreamliner : At best, 777s crossing the pacific will only outnumber A380s 10 to 1. Maybe 20. The world is becoming more point to point. Even the Japanese carriers
26 Keesje : Now would the 748 the cheapest or won't Boeing sell it at a loss. You can't have both I'm afraid.. What about Korean, Thai, Singapore Airlines, Air C
27 R2rho : And I suspect you will eventually be proven right. NH has been showing great interest in the A380, rumor has it they've even test flied it. And among
28 FlyDreamliner : Typo on my part. I meant Boeing will sell 748i at a loss, if need be. Oil is what, 4-5 times more than when A380 was designed. Air travel on the whol
29 Columba : Because they already have the 747-8F and a joint fleet would make sense for them as they would not add a completely new fleet type, they already have
30 SparkingWave : If there is a worldwide recession set off by the current crisis in the U.S., I wonder how much that would affect future A380 orders.
31 Teme82 : NH has A320 fleet, if I'm not mistaken they are retiring them. And there are some smaller RJ's with A320 family planes. Still if SQ does flights with
32 Frigatebird : Well, if it's gonna the beast S U-H is dreaming of, then I agree, 2017-2018 will be more likely, Airbus will already have their work cut out getting
33 Aerokiwi : When was the last order for the A380 by a new customer? In fact, when was the last A380 order?
34 MD11junkie : Negative, that order is still an MoU and it was signed by Grupo Marsans, former owner of Aerolíneas Argentinas. Never firmed up. Given that the Gove
35 Post contains links Keesje : 6 orders during the last 12 months. Ethihad were the latests.Grupo Marson was the latest airline, A prince the latest new customer. Steady stream of
36 CastropRauxel : With their expected expansion over the next few years, It's just a matter of time now before TK makes an order.
37 Scouseflyer : If you can cancel a MoU - the order was never actually firmed and has been lingering around for nearly a year unfirmed - so long that most of us here
38 MD11junkie : Must have been the language barrier, but, IIRC, Airbus counts MoUs as firm - what I'm saying is that they are going to have to write them off soon. S
39 Jmbarros12 : I asked my self the exact same thing when the rumour appeared. The conclusion I reached is that Brazilian Government will have to make huge investmen
40 Aerokiwi : Except as confirmed above, Grupo Marsans was an MoU that is likely to be dropped. So that makes, what, 4 orders in the past 12 months? Doesn't sound
41 Carpethead : Thorn hah. NH flies two daily NRT-SIN on tiny little 763ERs. Any Star Alliance-minded Japanese businessman might take a flight or too just to get on
42 Iwok : When the 380 was launched, the projected market for the 380 was ~1000 in 20-years. We're now 8 years into that plan. This means that (8/20 * 1000)=400
43 Travelhound : Boeings "Current Market Forecast" states there are 560 747 or larger planes flying today. I'd suggest come 2012 onwards there will be a strong need f
44 AustrianZRH : Airliners.net myth no. 357... Some Airbus bashers like to tell that here on a.net, if you look at Airbus' spreadsheet of orders and deliveries, you w
45 Post contains links and images Keesje : As you know most succesfull international carriers have already jumped on the A380 train so the number of prospects is decreasing indeed. Not sure if
46 NicoEDDF : The thing is: There is nothing more efficient than the 380. People constantly blabber about the efficiency of 350/777 and so on. But those planes are
47 Lapper : I'm not really one for saying a particular plane would look great in an airlines colours, but what I can say is, what a sight it would have been to se
48 Astuteman : No they don't Presumably you mean 4 order "events" as opposed to "4 orders" per se. I'm not sure how this can necessarily be interpreted as either "r
49 Post contains links Art : It is reported in another tread that JL is negotiating an order for 280 aircraft with China, hoping to seal a deal by the end of January 2009: http://
50 Keesje : I think they visited Narita twice & made additional demo flights.
51 Aerokiwi : So according to you 14 airlines (the Marsans order excluded as it is an unfirmed MoU) comprise the majority of "successful" international carriers? N
52 EK413 : Where would they use the capacity of an A380.... I would expect an top-up announcement from Mr Dixon @ QF 88th Birthday... EK413
53 Keesje : Well we have CX, JAL, ANA, UA, Delta/NWA, SAA and maybe a few others left, not all are very succesfull at this moment.
54 Astuteman : Because on the routes it is being deployed on, no other aircraft currently will provide the revenue that the A380 does, even if it is not full. I'm p
55 Post contains links Jacobin777 : Personally, I think there are two parts to this.....1-Carrier & 2-Manufacturer... For carriers such as SQ, QF, etc. which have purchased the A380, it
56 MotorHussy : IMHO Most likely: NH, CX, CA and IB Next tier: AI, SA, JJ, CI, OZ and AR Vague whiff in the future kinda chance: NZ, KL, NW/DL, JL, UA and SV. Regards
57 Aerokiwi : KLM, Swiss, Aeroflot, Aer Lingus, Iberia, Turkish, Kenya Airways, Saudi Arabian, El Al, Egyptian, Continental, American, AeroMexico, Air Canada, Air
58 Columba : Istanbul-Berlin-Kreuzberg
59 Ikramerica : Correct. CASM v. RASM. The A380 has the lowest CASM. It's just taking advantage of that CASM by filling the seats with enough revenue to make it wort
60 Alessandro : Orders are seldom right to compare it with, built aircraft is better (19 for A380 during it´s first 3 years since maiden flight). During the first 2
61 Jfk777 : All Nippon Airways, Air China & Air India wll order the A380. SAA will not just to have a fleet of 3 or 4 for LHR flying, it wouldn't be worth it, if
62 NicoEDDF : Not true Kiwi. Of all those airlines only few have flown VLA sized aircraft. That indicates they fly to markets not being able to support VLA traffic
63 Kappel : That does not mean they won't in the future. Some of the airlines mentioned are rapidly growing (like TK and JJ). It is feasible they can operate a38
64 Post contains links Keesje : American Airlines, merger in US to gain further market share and then introduce A380's from Dallas, Chicago and New York hubs to Heathrow, Paris, Tok
65 IliriBDL : I expect US to order a couple in the next 3 to 5 years.
66 Jdevora : 11 Emirates 11-nov-2007 01 Kingdom Holding Company* 12-nov-2007 12 British Airways 24-dic-.2007 03 Korean Airlines 19-feb-2008 Four orders for 27 pla
67 NicoEDDF : Yep, thats why I wrote midterm!
68 PW100 : I thought Etihad frames were now firmed up? That's another six pending! Regards, PW100
69 CastropRauxel : Oh come on, don't be like that! IST-MHG can work out just as well But seriously: already now TK is the fastest growing european airline. they are cur
70 Brilondon : This is discussed in a different thread within the last few weeks.
71 Kappel : LOL, and I said I agree
72 NicoEDDF : Looks like we can agree that we agree
73 Astuteman : That was my understanding, too. Thanks. Rgds
74 Aerokiwi : Which wasn't my point at all. Keesje was arguing that "most successful" international carriers had signed up to the A380. I argued that was nonsense
75 Post contains links Keesje : Ryanair is a succesfull international carrier too. Not a long haul network carrier. You can include all kinds of unlikely VLA airlines and say they p
76 Cerecl : All the more reason to ditch whatever plane(s) operate the "other daily flights" and order more A380, don't you think?
77 Aerokiwi : You may want to refresh your understanding of the term "cannibalising". If operatring the A380 is simply taking pax away from other flights on the sa
78 Post contains images Cerecl : Or maybe it takes away the pax of other airlines operating the same route because A380 is so attractive? In that case, the case of ordering more A380
79 Aerokiwi : Well that's what I was asking in Reply 74. What are the load histories on the other daily flights operated by SQ on the same route after the A380 has
80 Art : One hears tales of SQ making loads of money with the A380. If true would that be because passengers find it noticeably more comfortable due to the ex
81 Cerecl : 1. We will all know the answer to this thread much faster 2. Airbus will be quite happy I imagine. 3. As a passenger, one pays less for a better prod
82 Ikramerica : So, by 2009 then?
83 Post contains images Cerecl : Should you prove prophetic SQ will remove the 2x 744 on SYD-SIN and replace them with another A380. The daily 4x A333 operated by CX on HKG-SYD will
84 Astuteman : Nothing like a little bit of research to keep the thread ticking along, is there, Aerokiwi? Of course the fact that the current "VLA", the 744, is co
85 Post contains links Jdevora : From the usual Airbus spreadsheet http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repository/pdf/att00009247/media_object_file_August_2008.xls Plus the one from Dec 2
86 Post contains links Keesje : http://www.interfax.com/3/432810/news.aspx
87 YVRLTN : Theres a thread about Transaero looking at ordering the A380!! While not mentioned on anyones lists of potential customers, actually they are a fairly
88 Aerokiwi : Can you provide a source? Nice, nice and snide. I asked for the information and someone provided it. That's what this kind of website is about isn't
89 WingedMigrator : They are downsizing because the 773ER can carry the same payload, further, using less fuel. The 747 is simply outclassed by the 773ER's performance.
90 Post contains images Cerecl : Except that it has already happened to a certain extent (Ordering of A380, not overcapacity). Again using SYD-LHR as an example, The airlines that op
91 Pnwtraveler : It is very simple really. Markets that are slot restricted and need to carry a large number of non-time sensitive people (non-business in other words)
92 Aerokiwi : So Airbus could have developed the aircraft with all its costs, sold one and it's considered a financial success? bit of creative accounting there is
93 WingedMigrator : No. But two is better than one. Three is better than two. Four is better than three. By now you probably get my point. And it may never be reached...
94 Aerokiwi : Excuse me? Cathay, JAL, Air Canada, Eqypt Air, ANA, Air NZ, SAA... while it's not a universal trend, it is a strategy being pursued by several carrie
95 Astuteman : From my seat, it looks like you the answer didn't suit your argument, so you let others do the donkey work in the hope you wouldn't be challenged. Yo
96 Columba : Usually an airline flying thirsty 747 classics is not one my list for new A380s but rather second hand 744s, thinks with Transaero might be different
97 GBan : Don't want to get too personal, but imho you might have a fundamental misunderstanding of the topic of this thread
98 CHRISBA777ER : I think its best to think of it in terms of routes - i.e.: the number of routes which have sufficient year-round traffic to support a daily A380. For
99 CHRISBA777ER : Possible future orders (again) CX - i think they'll go for the A389. IB - I think they are very likely once the BA "merger" goes through. NH - going t
100 Frigatebird : Interesting analysis Chris, thanks. Can agree with most of what you say. However this I'm not so sure about: I'm pretty sure that Airbus designed it a
101 Frigatebird : I've always wondered why these airlines are so close to ordering the A380. It seems a bit contrary to their current business models, NH phasing out t
102 JFK787NYC : I could see an Israeli carrier flying a couple of A380s. I wish EL AL would get them because they need them, But I do not think the Americans would li
103 AustrianZRH : I think hell will freeze over before El Al buys something produced to a large quantity in Germany...
104 CHRISBA777ER : You raise an interesting point - as many on here know, i have always maintained that the A380 was badly timed - ordering boom notwithstanding - she i
105 JFK787NYC : Wow, that seemed like a very nasty comment...AustrianZRH are you aware that Germany is Israel's second largest trading partner? The Israeli navy uses
106 CHRISBA777ER : I agree with you actually - for now. The thing to remember is that OZ is growing faster than the market in Asia and their recent A350 order proves th
107 AustrianZRH : No nastiness was intended, I do see that I have maybe formulated it to harsh. And indeed I wasn't aware of Germany being the second largest trading p
108 Post contains links Frigatebird : And after Transaero, Air Comet is another airline not many people would have predicted to fly the A380 - it seems the Grupo Marsans order will be fir
109 CHRISBA777ER : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...5934/ That doesnt surprise me actually - the business case has not evaporated just because the
110 CastropRauxel : Oh my, politics I hate this subject so I will try to gracefully add my two cents: Germany is indeed Israel's second largest trading partner. the comm
111 A342 : Just for the record, they aren't nuclear. Does that also apply to cars? From what I know, the market share of German cars is quite low in Israel. But
112 GatoVolador : I don't see a particular link between IB ordering the A380 and the deal with BA since the A380 could be a need for them (or not) no matter what happe
113 AustrianZRH : Thanks for clearing that up . Guess I got blinded by some stupid jerks not representing the public opinion. Sorry for that!
114 Astuteman : German (or German design) maybe. Nuclear? Rgds
115 CastropRauxel : ...Because the Euro is higher in Israel, and combined with the heavy taxing it makes german automobiles very expensive. but buses and trains are all
116 Aerokiwi : Astute theory. Wrong, but nice try. I asked a question. Someone answered. I spend most of my time in the NZ aviation thread and avoid most order-rela
117 Cerecl : So according to you SQ BA QF LH AF MH TG VS EK EY QR CZ KE are not successful? Sorry, this list also happens to include some of the most profitable (
118 MotorHussy : I think he's saying that there are more successful airlines out there to be targeted (successfully or otherwise) and that the ones listed, while succ
119 Baroque : As the man says, now most of the money is spent, the thing that is of concern to Airbus bean-counters (as opposed to other types of this species) is
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