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Octember In Flight: Irish Aviation 36/08  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12513 posts, RR: 35
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

Good evening folks; as we've gone over 250 in the last thread, I thought I might move on to No. 36/08.

For those (probably quite a few!) confused by the thread opening, any Dr. Suess fan will tell you that Octember is a very special time of year ... Fox in sox, noses with toeses etc etc. What does it have to do with aviation? Well, damned if I know, but yields are probably not great; just lots of cats in hats and they rarely travel Business Class. And they really make a mess in the galleys.

Anyway, moving swiftly along ... what's happening? Well, that first and most feared name on any airline's no-fly list - Recession - has just landed and is in transit; it'll probably get lost somewhere in the baggage hall, but hopefully its stay won't be too long. I'm dreading the next set of pax figures from the DAA. When you consider that Ireland was one of VERY few markets which didn't suffer a downturn (overall) after 9/11, this could be the first time in a VERY long time that we see traffic taking a downhill turn. SNN already has (although not strictly to do with aviation) and I don't know how ORK is doing.

Without wishing to climb onto my hobby horse, it's been over a year now since Dempsey became transport minister and in that time, I haven't seen the merest hint of anything approaching an aviation policy and this is really a time when some direction is needed. That said, the main focus in the coming weeks is likely to be the Metro North project, amid reports that much of it may now go overground to cut back on costs (and no doubt add a lot of time to the project). Hopefully it will go ahead soon anyway.

EI should be detailing its plans to cut back in weeks to come; we hear rumours about various routes being cut, but significantly, some hope that Dubai might come back; fingers (and toeses) crossed.

So, on that happy note, I now declare No. 36/08 officially open for business ...

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4639 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10941 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
That said, the main focus in the coming weeks is likely to be the Metro North project, amid reports that much of it may now go overground to cut back on costs (and no doubt add a lot of time to the project). Hopefully it will go ahead soon anyway.

If the Metro North goes overground, it should be a lot quicker to build really... with no underground stuff to build or anything.

I wish they'd make up their mind, cause it's needed - and it'll get soooo many buses off the road, which can only be a good thing in Dublin  Smile

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
EI should be detailing its plans to cut back in weeks to come; we hear rumours about various routes being cut, but significantly, some hope that Dubai might come back; fingers (and toeses) crossed.

If Dubai comes back, they really need to put together a proper codeshare for through flights to Asia and Australia...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10920 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
EI should be detailing its plans to cut back in weeks to come; we hear rumours about various routes being cut, but significantly, some hope that Dubai might come back; fingers (and toeses) crossed.

If Dubai comes back, they really need to put together a proper codeshare for through flights to Asia and Australia...

And time the flights to allow these connections!


User currently offlineCallBell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

I think thats the biggest hurdle, flight timings... Arriving in Dubai in the evening allows for flights TO Asia/Australia, but nonr FROM those destinations.. Like wise arriving early in the morning allowed connections FROM Asia/Australia but none TO there.

Etihad get around this by having different timings on different days so maximising connection possibilities. Not sure how EI would manage this as its an outstation and not their base... They tried different timings at different months when Dubai was on the network. I think thats probable another reason why EK were reluctant to codeshare, in addition to product issues.


User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10871 times:



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 251):
Latest rumor i've heard from a few people is SFO will be dropped from the end of March at the start of the summer schedule. Having said that, i still hear DXB and LAX are back next year, but no real sign of these, except that EI has a contract with the crew hotel in LA



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 254):
That would be a surprise; I always thought that SFO was the favoured Californian destination. Would be delighted to see them back at DXB this time and - memo to DM: "For God's sake, don't mess it up again". Get all the boxes ticket - good product, good marketing, interline or codeshare in place ...



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
If Dubai comes back, they really need to put together a proper codeshare for through flights to Asia and Australia...

1) I can't see them dropping SFO. It will be a defensive move when they need to be aggressive. Shrinking your operations will not stop financial woes. Also SFO was the preferred destination on the West coast but they couldn't get in so started LAX in 1999.

2)DXB cannot be restarted without lots of egg on face for EI top team. They do not like having to swallow their words so I can't see it. Also as said above the route needs proper product, attractive aircraft and probably a codeshare. None of which are on the horizon. Granted another A330 next Feb helps standardisation but an increased chance of a nice cabin with 'low' fares doesn't beat guaranteed nice cabin and better service with Ethiad. Ethiad advertised one-stop to Sydney ex DUB would (IMO) put paid to EI trying DXB in the next 2 years.

I heard that OCS (who have recently taken over the mobility assistance at DUB) have given a price to EI for cleaning that in terms of wages to staff is in ratio of 5:9 to the current salary of EI cleaners. Not sure how that translates in terms of yearly contract.


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10830 times:

Speaking with EI staff I hear there is a ''big'' meeting on the 1st in regard to ground handling, I dont know anymore than taht Im afraid, but the belief within EI is this is more than just scare tactics.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12513 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10800 times:



Quoting CallBell (Reply 3):
I think thats the biggest hurdle, flight timings... Arriving in Dubai in the evening allows for flights TO Asia/Australia, but nonr FROM those destinations.. Like wise arriving early in the morning allowed connections FROM Asia/Australia but none TO there.

It's difficult, but not unachievable. The eastbound EK departures leave DXB at about 2-3m and the arrivals are around 5.30-6am. So, if they can arrive at about 1am and leave at about 7.30-8am, they can work it. Sure it's a lot of "AOG time", but it can be worked into the timetable without losing the ability to schedule a t/a flight before or after:

DUB-DXB (c.1400-0030)

They could stagger this so as to focus on the nonstop Australia flights on some days, but still have the same return time.

DXB-DUB (0800-1300)

The aircraft operating the return flight could then be used to operate a BOS or a late JFK.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 4):
2)DXB cannot be restarted without lots of egg on face for EI top team. They do not like having to swallow their words so I can't see it. Also as said above the route needs proper product, attractive aircraft and probably a codeshare. None of which are on the horizon. Granted another A330 next Feb helps standardisation but an increased chance of a nice cabin with 'low' fares doesn't beat guaranteed nice cabin and better service with Ethiad. Ethiad advertised one-stop to Sydney ex DUB would (IMO) put paid to EI trying DXB in the next 2 years.

I think that the current economic climate may well favour this option and by next Summer, in addition to the new EI-EAV, they should have more aircraft "re-done" in the new cabin style. They'll have to do a lot of work, but I think that with the right focus, it is doable. It's either that risk, OR flying into a US market which could be weaker next year than this year.

Some unpleasant news about Irish immigration practices:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...008/0926/1222357357243.html?via=mr


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1947 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10795 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):

If the Metro North goes overground, it should be a lot quicker to build really... with no underground stuff to build or anything.

I'd be surprised if all the Metro North project goes overground. The part closest the city centre would almost definitely have to go underground. Elevated trains are a terrible eyesore and they make alot of noise. Anyone who has ever been to Chicago will know all about it. I would seriously doubt you would get through the planning process with an elevated train system through Dublin City Centre. However, it is quite conceivable that the Metro North could be a mixture of both elevated and underground trains.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):

If Dubai comes back, they really need to put together a proper codeshare for through flights to Asia and Australia...



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 2):
And time the flights to allow these connections!

Definitely. DXB should have been a nice easy start to EI's LH route network to the East but it was horribly messed up. If they EI couldn't make DXB work then they really need to get their act together big time if they are to ever have any chance of succeeding at developing a far east route network.



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10779 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
It's either that risk, OR flying into a US market which could be weaker next year than this year.

I don't believe the current EI team are brave enough to take a 'risk'. Look how they backing away from Eastern expansion and differentiating themselves from FR.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 7):
The part closest the city centre would almost definitely have to go underground. Elevated trains are a terrible eyesore and they make alot of noise

Have you been in Sydney. They have a small elevated train,operates in a circular direction. A lot lighter than the L in CHicago and less of an eyesore. Not sure whne it was built but I believer the L in Chicago is a lot older.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4192 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10757 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 8):
Have you been in Sydney. They have a small elevated train,operates in a circular direction. A lot lighter than the L in CHicago and less of an eyesore. Not sure whne it was built but I believer the L in Chicago is a lot older.

The elevatated train in Sydney was built for the 2000 olympics, to get people around the city centre area. It wouldnt be suitable for a large scale metro system, and indeed has been a bit of a failure in SYD, except for the couple of weeks during the Olympics themselves.

Regarding SFO, it is bookable for next summer but at just 4 per week, which might lend some credence to the idea of LAX coming back at maybe 3 per week, or the return of DXB. MCO is also in the booking engine at 3 per week, while IAD which seems to have really picked up since its launch, is 4 per week.

It is very obvious now I think, that even if the US is Aer Lingus's natural long haul market, it is far too susceptible to economic woes and political shocks to be the sole constituent of the long haul network. A counter balance is needed, and we all know in what direction they need to look....

Although the US operation has come a long way from the days of the 3 747's flying to JFK and BOS, it is continually growing and contracting. A change is needed!



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10727 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 7):
I'd be surprised if all the Metro North project goes overground. The part closest the city centre would almost definitely have to go underground. Elevated trains are a terrible eyesore and they make alot of noise. Anyone who has ever been to Chicago will know all about it. I would seriously doubt you would get through the planning process with an elevated train system through Dublin City Centre. However, it is quite conceivable that the Metro North could be a mixture of both elevated and underground trains.

there is no question of the line remaining underground until at least the botanical gardens area. the plans have already been drawn up and the stations have been designed. the rpa website has many of these drawings and having just attended a lecture by the head of the rpa's light rail division last night in engineers ireland, it will be like this.

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 9):
It wouldnt be suitable for a large scale metro system, and indeed has been a bit of a failure in SYD

i'm not familiar with the sydney system but the metro north project IS a light rail system. it will run on the same gauge as the luas and for the most part, both systems are interchangeable to run on each other's lines. the green line from ranelagh outbound is actually built to metro standard in terms of speed, curvature and axle loading.

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 7):
Elevated trains are a terrible eyesore and they make a lot of noise. Anyone who has ever been to Chicago will know all about it.

the same can be said for the No. 7 train in Queens, NY. Roosevelt Avenue is a painful location to live on. However, the L and the NYC subway are heavy rail systems, the metro is and will be a light rail system.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10695 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
When you consider that Ireland was one of VERY few markets which didn't suffer a downturn (overall) after 9/11, this could be the first time in a VERY long time that we see traffic taking a downhill turn. SNN already has (although not strictly to do with aviation) and I don't know how ORK is doing.

Very true . Its the worst I have seen things in 12 years in Ireland. I wonder if MA will continue DUB with all the cut backs. I think we could see a few airlines pull routes over the next few months if things do not improve rapidly.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

Aer Lingus are offering 20% off all J class fares and doube GC points for OCT/NOV.

User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4192 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10677 times:



Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 10):
i'm not familiar with the sydney system but the metro north project IS a light rail system. it will run on the same gauge as the luas and for the most part, both systems are interchangeable to run on each other's lines. the green line from ranelagh outbound is actually built to metro standard in terms of speed, curvature and axle loading.

The sydney system that Bramble reffered to isnt actually light rail, it is a monorail. Sydney also has trams along the lines of the Luas, but that's a different system.

From my own observations at work, there has been a perceptible drop in loads this month, but that is fairly normal for september as the summer rush ends. Things normally pick up a little later in the season. The summer certainly was very good in terms of loadings, I dont know about yields. I cant speak for other carriers, but at mine, things seem OK!  Smile



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User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10648 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):

Yes, I just got the email through about it. It's about time they advertised their J class with special offers...God knows people here have been crying out for it!


I'm sitting here in the library at DCU....and have just noticed that they have this month's Cara Magazine from EI on the shelf! Just beginning a BA in International Relations..should be a fun few years!  Smile


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10641 times:



Quoting EI787 (Reply 14):
I'm sitting here in the library at DCU....

DCU started back last week and your in the library already?! Get a (college) life dude....hit the student bar! Big grin


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 10632 times:



Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 15):
However, it is quite conceivable that the Metro North could be a mixture of both elevated and underground trains.

Yes, it already is, underground through the city, ballymun and airport, overground the rest of the way. AS is poointed out above, it is more a light rail system than a metro... Luas style trains, low platforms etc etc

One important thing to remember is that it is being built as a PPP... the government doesn't pay anything until the first passenger is carried! So cutting it now will have no effect on the budget deficient (other than to remove a whole heap of contruction jobs from the economy!!!)


User currently offlineClydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 10615 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 7):
I'd be surprised if all the Metro North project goes overground. The part closest the city centre would almost definitely have to go underground. Elevated trains are a terrible eyesore and they make alot of noise. Anyone who has ever been to Chicago will know all about it. I would seriously doubt you would get through the planning process with an elevated train system through Dublin City Centre. However, it is quite conceivable that the Metro North could be a mixture of both elevated and underground trains.

The DLR in London is an overground system too with a big portion of it on elevated lines.
They are also driverless too.


User currently onlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks ago) and read 10608 times:

I have to agree with the comments above, EI top brass just dont have the balls to try something "risky" like launching flights to China or BKK or HKG or India. It is my honest belief that flights to these destinations could work, for different reasons. The USA has once again proven itself to be too volatile a basket for EI to put all of its long-haul eggs into.

On a different note, is anyone else seeing the banner on the top of this page with an EI USA sale on it??



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

I just took a look at the EI t/a timetable for next summer. What I could find was the following

DUB-JFK 2 flights per day
SNN-JFK 1 flight per day
DUB-ORD 1 flight per day
DUB-SNN-BOS 1 flight per day
DUB-BOS 1 flight M-WTF-S
DUB-SFO 1 flight M-W-F-S
DUB-MCO 1 flight -T-T-S-
DUB-IAD 1 flight M-W-F-S

So that leaves us with max aircraft needed at 8. (only 6 needed on Tues and Sat). So either maybe they are looking at Dubai again or the rumour of them reducing their l/h fleet to 8 is true.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10548 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Aer Lingus are offering 20% off all J class fares and doube GC points for OCT/NOV.

I got that too, there are some very good fares out there, I could fly MAN-DUB-LAX and VV for a shade over €700 and earn 1400 GC points. It's very tempting, but I just dont seem to have the time, unfortunately.  
The e-mail looks like this
http://ebm.cheetahmail.com/c/tag/hBI4gfkB7SXq8B7WU3D$XIW1ri2/doc.html?

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 15):
DCU started back last week and your in the library already?! Get a (college) life dude....hit the student bar! 

We started back last week too. I was in the library on Saturday.....

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 16):
Luas style trains, low platforms etc etc

Interesting. I suppose the low-floors are ideal for getting baggage, the visually and physically impaired on and off the trains easily and quickly.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 18):
The USA has once again proven itself to be too volatile a basket for EI to put all of its long-haul eggs into.

I don't think volitility is a problem per se, its that EI have no other long haul market. The other problem for EI is that unless it heavily promotes connections on its own Euro network where could EI generate sufficient traffic from both the orign and destination? DUB is not currently ideal for transit passengers, so that may currently playing a part in the decisions.

Brian.

[Edited 2008-09-30 09:28:43]


Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Any idea who Flightline is flying the MD-80 for? I saw parked at DUB on the weekend and again on Monday. I also saw their BAe-146, I assume that's flying for Aer Arran?

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10533 times:



Quoting EIBoston (Reply 19):
DUB-SFO 1 flight M-W-F-S
DUB-MCO 1 flight -T-T-S-
DUB-IAD 1 flight M-W-F-S

So that leaves us with max aircraft needed at 8. (only 6 needed on Tues and Sat). So either maybe they are looking at Dubai again or the rumour of them reducing their l/h fleet to 8 is true.

Is is possible that LAX could be paired with the IAD aircraft, operating three ties a week?, like MCO and SFO are theoretically operated by the same aircraft?

Maybe the current plan would be to alternate LAX in the summer with DXB in the winter? I would not advise DXB to anyone in the middle of the summer. It is horrifically hot by day and awfully humid at night.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10528 times:



Quoting Al2637 (Reply 16):
One important thing to remember is that it is being built as a PPP... the government doesn't pay anything until the first passenger is carried! So cutting it now will have no effect on the budget deficient (other than to remove a whole heap of contruction jobs from the economy!!!)

We need to hear this in the media rather than doomsayers (incl M'oL)calling for the Govt to drop the Metro North.


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2171 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10510 times:



Quoting LatinAviation (Reply 21):
Any idea who Flightline is flying the MD-80 for? I saw parked at DUB on the weekend and again on Monday. I also saw their BAe-146, I assume that's flying for Aer Arran?

The 146 might have been flying for BA to LCY & the MD-80 is flying for themselves as far as I know.


25 COEI2007 : This could be changed though, like a 4th weekly flight to MCO was added late this year That would make most sense, as LAX is weak in the summer and D
26 Bx737 : They are doing charters for Sunworld IIRC. Also the demise of Futura could leave some work for other airlines. Interestingly Futura on their website
27 EIBoston : along with what you mention it leaves an 1 aircraft completely free. But as I said maybe the rumours of them dropping an aircraft is true. They could
28 COEI2007 : I'd say the cost cutting going through, and the extent of it, will decide what way the L/H will go. DUB-BOS being only 5 weekly is strange, its norma
29 ClassicLover : No-one said anything about elevated rail... overground = on top of the road. That said though, they either have to make it a Luas style thing, or do
30 Kaitak : Well you only need look at the figures EY is getting, look at the transit figures for other carriers (such as BA, LH, KL and AF), which fly significan
31 Bramble : All you have to do is look at the second boarding cards in pax hands as they wait to board an EI flight DUB-LHR or DUB-AMS. Every flight I do has at
32 ClassicLover : Good point, Kaitak! Err no? I put that in and even if you select Business Class, you're priced for Economy. I think EI are pretty stupid in some ways
33 COEI2007 : HKG, BKK, SIN, YYZ and DXB are the places I see people connecting to all the time on EI flights. EI will have a free 330 next summer by the looks of
34 Tonymctigue : Yes well I know that overground does not necessarily mean elevated but with all the proposed tram/metro lines going to St Stephens Green, there simpl
35 BrianDromey : If you try to book BOS, ORD or JFK from the UK and want to travel in J the website will do exactly as you say, seat you in Y for the short haul and J
36 Aer Lingus : Like I said the metro will be a light rail system. The key parameter with which they are working is that both systems will be usable on each other's
37 ClassicLover : Well, the pedestrians don't seem to have a problem with the Luas, so I hardly think that's an issue... Agreed. Well it didn't work from MAN to LAX -
38 Shamrock104 : Not neccesarily. People have different preferences with regard to any number of varying factors including price, quality of service, mileage etc. Jus
39 OA260 : Very true. Just because EI may have a 3 times a week to the Far East does not mean they will automatically get the bums on seats. People will not swi
40 EI564 : I was told that the difference between a Metro and a light urban rail system is that the metro doesn't interfere with road/pedestrian traffic. A Metr
41 BrianDromey : It is strange, alright. LHR-SFO/LAX seems to price out J class alright. Only seem to be east coast from MAN. It seems that the EI booking system need
42 Smokeyrosco : At least thats a sign of forward thinking but I agree I think I'll see EI do DUB - SYD before I see this.
43 Post contains links and images F1eddie : There was a pic uploaded in the last few days of this A/C and the photographer who added it, said it was operating for BA. View Large View MediumPhot
44 Tonymctigue : The point I was making was that if all the proposed metro and tram lines into Dublin city centre were at road level then there would be a serious lac
45 JWMD123 : But this also tells you that pax don't like the US carriers like DL and CO who fly also into the NYC area.
46 Post contains links OA260 : True , I meant CO and DL in that list also. I also dont like the idea of a B757 across the pond Id rather fly to LHR and pick up a larger AC with PTV
47 Aer Lingus : tell that to the geniuses in the RPA who also are considering buying trams for the green line that are longer than the ones currently......too bad th
48 Smokeyrosco : I was thinking it would be logical for EI to buy a few houses or a small appartment block for just that? surly over a number of years they would make
49 Shamrock104 : I'm sure the SIPTU mafia would have something to say about this. I also heard Aeroflot used to do this in SNN when they were operating so many flight
50 Smokeyrosco : So the unions have spent two hours with EI management this morning with regards cost cutting measures/ company finances. This afternoon shop stewards
51 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Here's the first part of my Ryanair report: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/134976/ Seems like everyone is walking o
52 OA260 : Pan Am did that in West London years ago , certainly was economical .
53 Kaitak : Absolutely would be, for PA, given the size of their operation in London. With regard to SU in Shannon, the other issue is that as an "Eastern bloc"
54 Bx737 : I was on the KRK flight today and parked there was BAe146 EI-DNQ with what looked like Aer Arann titles but I couldn't get a photo of it, sorry.
55 Shamrock350 : Todays meeting was mainly exploratory so I doubt there were many decisions made as Aer Lingus will apparently outline the plan on Friday. The unions
56 LatinAviation : Thanks. Where do Flightline fly from DUB? Took FR down to PMI for business on Monday. First time on FR (having only moved to DUB 8 mos ago). Despite
57 EISHN : Just tell them to look for the guys in the Pink Shirts, and they should get sorted alright.
58 JWMD123 : Guys quick question regarding transfer times in the US. Looking at LAS for early 09 with DL via ATL. Would 1hr 10 mins be cutting it fine for transfer
59 LatinAviation : Yes, especially if you're checking bags. ATL is a great airport, but it's big and it takes time for a good connection. I wouldn't do it with less tha
60 BrianDromey : I would say this is tight, as you will need to collect your bags in ATL to clear customs and then redeposit them with DL once again. This could take
61 Post contains links EI320 : I've only connected with DL through ATL once when going to MCO, and leaving just over 1 hour to connect is too tight. Even if everything went perfect
62 Aer lingus : " target=_blank>http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...ia=mr The immigration at DUB was never great, for Non-EU PAX. AFAIK I can tell you that a load
63 BrianDromey : To be fair I think most immigration officers would ask this. By virtue of an EU passport we get a relatively easy pass into most countries, like the
64 F1eddie : Well i did DUB>TPA>Overland>MCO>DUB connecting both times in ATL. I have to say though my sister is in a wheelchair so we got privileged treatment in
65 Bramble : UNnortunately Irish politicians only plan up to the next election. True. EI cannot auromatically assume these people will fly with them. They need to
66 JWMD123 : Thanks guys for the info. I would intend travelling all the way to LAS with DL and would be booking it on one ticket. Do they not tag your bag the wh
67 OA260 : They have always been like that. I hear it from numerous friends. A mate of mine got a Visa for his Mother to come and see their new born child. All
68 JWMD123 : Looks like the Boeing Strike is begining to have a severe impact on FR's expansion plans. Dusseldoff (Weeze) and Birmigham have nearly all the planned
69 Shamrock321 : In regard to immigration in DUB, I deal with those guys quite a bit, my work tends to cross with theres quite a bit, the majority of them are very nic
70 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair stunned by rebuff in web case By Colin Bartley Thursday October 02 2008 RYANAIR was last night stunned to hear a Spanish court backed an onlin
71 F1eddie : 2hrs 35mins is much better!!! Yes bag is tagged all the through, but you will have to pick it up in ATL and drop it off again on the way over. ON the
72 JWMD123 : Yes I was looking at them but I was looking at flight and hotel deal combo. DL was the best price apart from BMI/UA (this involved 2 stops). Overall
73 EICVD : Your welcome. They mostly fly to the main holiday destinations & to Lisbon & Lourdes on pilgrim flights.
74 BrianDromey : You bag will be tagged all the way, but unlike in Europe, in the US you need to clear customs at the point of entry. At ATL(or your initial point of
75 JWMD123 : Thanks Brian Some good and bad news for BFS. Now only leave EI and U2 on the route. Should help yields and LF for both
76 Bramble : Stunned seems a very definite word to use. Perhaps unhappy would be better. However this could be used as a precedent for other Euro countries. Am wo
77 EIDAA : Some good news for SR Technics today as according to ATI, an agreement has been reached with SAS covering base maintenance on the A330/340 fleet. SRT
78 Kaitak : How about sometime over the Christmas period? I'd certainly love to meet others in the Irish group; we've been chatting here for 2-3 years at least (
79 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : I've just realised something. You were the Cabin manager on the DUB-SNN leg of my return from Chicago on 21st August. I was just going through people
80 Aer Lingus : Its a joke compared to immigration in other countries. True, other countries did let us in for a better life. Maybe this is the guy with the white ha
81 Post contains links Kaitak : http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2008/1003/1222959305653.html Interesting story in the IT about the state nominees to the EI board; it's p
82 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus to cut fares as €65m in losses predicted http://www.independent.ie/national-n...m-in-losses-predicted-1488614.html I've already noticed s
83 JWMD123 : Yeah I know, I booked for my wife a trip to NYC with her mother, sister and 2 year old neice in January for €1,250 all in. Very good value Given EI
84 Smokeyrosco : I'm hitting Vegas in March, was going to do this but the layover time is off the wall, going to do ORD with EI and UA instead.
85 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus punctuality has improved a lot after a terrible summer. Here's the last three months figures: I hope this improvement continues!
86 OA260 : I see FR have filed yet another law suit against Alitalia , probably will end up in the lost section of the filing cabinet . Good news indeed. Will be
87 EIRules : We tried this before didnt we and it just didnt happen for some reason. But I'd love to meet up with everyone, there are only 2 Irish a.netters I've
88 Toulouse : Yes, would certainly be nice to meet you all. I'm over next week, and again probably around 19th - 24th October. i'll be over for 2 weeks in November
89 OA260 : That makes two of us. I have met 4 in total. Would be great to arrange a spotting day at DUB sometime.
90 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus to implement cost-cutting plans http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1003/aerlingus.html
91 Bramble : According to a union rep who was in the meeting yesterday the only difference between yesterdays meeting and the one 2 weeks ago was the figure of EU
92 Smokeyrosco : Thats what I'm hoping, I'll wait until around Christmas when you tend to have the T/A sale for march before I book. If it's anything like the current
93 Dstc47 : Way too tight a connection, unless you enjoy a crisis. No allowance for any delay, security check (ATL checks incoming passengers also), rechecking b
94 EIJFK : Got that too. Was thinking I could sneak away for a Thanksgiving break DUB-JFK for a few days...It would earn me enough points to maintain my GC stat
95 Al2637 : In fairness, there's going to be no agreement from the unions on this. If you believe media reports today, they're about to sack 1000-1500 staff, the
96 Bramble : As you say, SIPTU will always huff and puff. They seem to say No as a kneejerk reaction. My fear is that by outsourcing all of the ground operations
97 Bramble : As you say, SIPTU will always huff and puff. They seem to say No as a kneejerk reaction. My fear is that by outsourcing all of the ground operations
98 COEI2007 : Thats why they need to keep some ground staff. I'm sure they could cut the number of check-in staff, as more and more people use web check in etc, bu
99 COEI2007 : I was looking as LAS again for Feb, and flights with EI/B6 are only E580!!!! Layover on the outbound is 4/5 hours, and about the same coming home!!!
100 Shamrock321 : I work for a handling agent at DUB and the biggest problem is not having the resources that EI staff have available to their staff and thats were the
101 OA260 : True maybe because they are not loyal to one particular airline where as EI have their own staff at present and they are focused on one airline and o
102 Post contains links EI320 : Siptu is looking for the government to introduce new "fair" employment rules in the aviation industry. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/20
103 Kaitak : That'll be 'EZJG, the first of the three EZY 73Gs to have left service (and the rest to follow as soon as EZY gets more 319s). I don't know why the t
104 Post contains links and images OA260 : Here is the pic I took this afternoon from Pier D. Who are they going to ?? It looks like EZJH?
105 Aer Lingus : i saw an EZY A319 in DUB a few weeks back taking off in the dark. i've also seen an EZY a/c outside SR Technics before at some point. Possible Belffas
106 Post contains links Kaitak : Sorry, I got that info from Skyliner (although I see I got the date wrong!). As you can see, they are getting rid of their 73Gs. G-EZJD and EZJE have
107 OA260 : I know it looks like it in the photo but the Cargo door is actually shut and is Green also . Maybe it was replaced and not yet painted yet?
108 YXXMIKE : Would be nice to see the Green & White of EI in Canada. I believe that the Ireland - Canada market is very poorly served and a thrice weekly year roun
109 Post contains links Kaitak : I think it's extremely unlikely, unfortunately, given the economic situation now. We'll find out next week how deep the cuts will need to be, but the
110 Shamrocka330 : kaitak, in relation to the Ryanair hanger at DUB, it is still used by the airline. When I was at the airport yesterday a 738 was sticking out of it as
111 Kaitak : As far as I'm aware, all new FR aircraft go there on arrival from SEA for preparation before they go into service. I guess A (and B?) checks can be p
112 Post contains links Kaitak : See, if you dig deep enough, you can find the odd nugget of good news: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhidaueyauid/
113 EIJFK : Just booked EI 105 DUB-JFK on November 14th returning EI 104 JFK-DUB November 18th. May as well rake in double points, celebrate Thanksgiving in Ameri
114 Shamrock321 : There has been constant rumours of handling agent leaving DUB namely Aviance but I can confirm they have no plans to do so! Theyll go if the business
115 EIDAA : A quick question for those familiar with BFS and/or ORK... What are the procedures like at both when arriving from LHR? If only carrying hand luggage
116 Bramble : Absolutely. Unfortunately EI do not seem to be in the mood to expand at the moment. As you say a 2-3 weekly flight to YYZ or YVR would get business.
117 COEI2007 : I had heard they would drop the SNN leg of the ORD flight, but that would mean DUB crew would operate it, so there would be very litle SNN flying. Wh
118 CallBell : Heard in the last day or two that LAX is definitelt NOT coming back nextyear....
119 COEI2007 : from.....
120 BrianDromey : At ORK its a pretty smooth procedure. The LHR flight usually arrives at Gate 5, the closest to immigration/ID Check. From getting off the aircraft to
121 CallBell : From someone in Head office. Will be part of the announcement 2moro.
122 Aer Lingus : codeshare flights with UA are now bookable on the UA website and online travel agents. UA prices are crap, ebookers is a better deal but don't see any
123 EIDAA : Thanks Brian. Sounds like it shouldn't be too much trouble at ORK. I would be planning to fly in and out on the 711/712 which is usually operated by
124 BrianDromey : No bother. Just a quick question, have there been some changes at the gates at LHR? The last time I was there in June they were constructing some sor
125 Shamrock350 : I noticed this in August, it was completed by then and being used to separate incoming and outbound passengers.
126 BrianDromey : Interesting. I wondered how the PAX got into these areas? There did not seem to be any link between the gates and the glass corridors...did I miss so
127 Bramble : Mad i tell you! You come out of the jetbridge and head straight ahead through a door into the glass corridor which is then closed when all pax have d
128 CallBell : The gates are closed when a flight arrives. this way the arriving passengers walk thru to the new glassed in corridor. When everyone is off the glass
129 Shamrock350 : I remember sitting opposite a gate and everyone who got off the flight walked straight into an opening in the glass and then down the corridor. The o
130 Post contains links OA260 : One Swiss J class TR and also I have included the current construction photos at Dublin :: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/rea
131 Bx737 : Guilty as charged. You flew on EI-DUZ and had 130 fellow pax, just for interest. I hope I was nice and that the mention of me in the TR will be good
132 Oa260 : Very true with the fleet grounded at night a trip down to LPA/AGP/ACE etc.. would get them some well needed extra income. The used to do charters to
133 BrianDromey : And Budget Travel too from ORK, REU and FAO were definately served. I think FUA came in at a lower price (I want to say 25-50% less) and that put an
134 Gosimeon : I would say chartering would possibly complicate the "simple" low cost business model Aer Lingus operate. I say leave chartering to the charter airlin
135 Post contains links OA260 : Belfast bound plane sparks emergency alert Sunday October 05 2008 Fire and ambulance crews were scrambled after an alert on board a jet bound for Belf
136 EIDAA : I remember flying DUB to HER and back with EI in August 1998. These were both overnight flights on the B737-400. I remember the return leg on EI-BXB
137 Post contains links Gosimeon : Interesting report on Ryanair v Aer Lingus: http://www.anna.aero/2008/10/03/aer-...ompetition-from-ryanair-in-dublin/ Advisers to Fly Off With EUR1m ;
138 JWMD123 : Heard on the radio this morning that WX are due to make a big announcement regarding new planes and routes. Did anyone here any more? BTW has a quick
139 Smokeyrosco : .... Might have been on the same flights as you? where you going to a wedding? Also on RE's fuel costs being so low.... could it not be that it's oth
140 Smokeyrosco : Heard today that they where the new sponcers for London Irish... it wouldn't be that would it?
141 Post contains links EIDAA : Wasn't going to a wedding, just a family holiday in Crete that summer. Don't have the dates though I'm afraid. You don't by any chance still have any
142 Smokeyrosco : I don't unfortunately but I'll ask around... your right though it is a very long shot. I think it was out on saturday night though and back on Sunday
143 Post contains links Rojam : It's probably regarding their new €6m hangar officially opening today [Fingal Independent]. Pity it's not about them starting a DUB-AMS service und
144 AmricanShamrok : That's an interesting ceist. I think Aeroflot used to operate Irish regestered 767s.
145 Bramble : Nice to see Noel Dempsey has sctually been doing somehing as Minister for Transport. Doesn't he deserve that salary and pension? Used to love doing t
146 LUPOR1D : not too sure about the laws, but the AAIU and IAA would be involved if there was an incident.
147 EIJFK : Sorry, wasn't clear there. I know Thanksgiving is later, but it's cheaper to go earlier, my family will make do, considering we rarely spend holidays
148 Post contains links F1eddie : I think some of Alitalia's A/C have irish registrations. Apparently its easier under irish law to repossess the planes... http://www.independent.ie/b
149 Post contains links Bramble : Have spotted quite a few AZ aircraft with EI- regs from looking around at LIN and FCO,at least two are B777s. Also seen at least 2 Ukrainian aircraft
150 Oa260 : One of Meridianas A320's is Irish reg IIRC.
151 EICVD : Almost half of the civil a/c based in Italy have Irish registrations. Off the top of my head, Air One, Alitalia (& AZ express), Blue Panorama, Meridi
152 Kaitak : Actually all four of them are (A319s). Don't forget that a lot of leasing companies have their offices in the IFSC as well. There is a new thread run
153 Lasno : I have just booked a flight with EI MAD/DUB for mid November. I tried to select my seat but get a message saying "seat selection is not available for
154 Post contains links OA260 : It happens sometimes , not that often but sometimes. You could call EI and ask them but maybe it will be fixed in time for your flight. -------------
155 Smokeyrosco : I only ever got that when I didn't book on the EI (or BA) site directly. I just called EI instead and got it fixed.
156 Gosimeon : Great news from CityJet on the new hanger. Looks like they're safe anyway.[Edited 2008-10-07 06:47:50]
157 ParseBandit : I'd love to attend but would be afraid that I'd be ignored and then halfway through Kaitak would decide it was time to change pub and unilaterally up
158 JWMD123 : Traffic Stats for EI in September The fall off in both S/H and L/H can only add fuel to the EI management fire regarding cost cuts. Whilst noting the
159 Bramble : Good one.
160 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus had a number of adverts around today, nearly every bus stop I passed had one that "Dublin for £25 from London Heather" styled in green Sha
161 Bramble : Completely true. Made sure to mention this in my crew briefings last couple of days.
162 EIDAA : I guess you finally got EI-DVI?? Nice to see some good WX news alright. That is the hangar to the west of 16/34 between the tower and the Boot Inn, r
163 OA260 : Nice to see some WX news full stop LOL....
164 Bramble : About time too. Have pics of the cabin but must post them up on my flickr.com account
165 Shamrock350 : I like the EK A380 and SQ 747 photo at JFK and of the FR and EI aircraft in the early morning at Dublin.
166 Kaitak : Hey, when did I become Mr. Spoilsport!? Still trying to get 'Victor India myself ... still a few weeks left of EI here this Summer, so hopefully I mi
167 DavecFlyer : Is it worth setting up a separate thread for this to gauge interest? Maybe in non-aviation. As one the based dubs I wouldn't have to travel (well onl
168 EICVD : It would be a good idea to set up a thread in non-av about it, would get a few non Irish members interested aswell. No real point though unless there
169 F1eddie : Yeah i must get around to start organising this. IM not so sure about making a thread for it in non aviation. Most of those meet ups in that forum ar
170 Tonymctigue : Yes it is nice to hear some positives in the current climate. EI looks set for another showdown with the Unions. I read on the RTE website that up to
171 Shamrock321 : Just to rub it in, I have flown on DVI, she took me to Brussels a few months back!
172 Tango29 : Wrong, they have strict guidlines to adhere to and are frequently monitored. Wrong again, although there are bad eggs in every dozen and the Gardai a
173 Post contains links Oa260 : Whilst Im sure there are plenty of good ones there is a problem and I have experienced it myself. I also have friends who have reported the same expe
174 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : I think the Shannon immigration people are sound enough. When I gave in my American passport there a few weeks ago he just stamped it but when he hear
175 Post contains links Oa260 : Actually the full story is here and funny enough only a few days old !! RUADHÁN Mac CORMAIC, Migration Correspondent REPORTS OF aggressive treatment
176 JWMD123 : In the past 9 years or so flying from DUB, I never had a bad expierence with the local law. Other countries are a far lot worse PS Tango29, understan
177 OA260 : Are you coloured?? I totally understand his defence due to his job who wouldnt but to say there is not a problem is clearly not the case and its been
178 Shamrock104 : The Immigrant Council of Ireland are not the most transpearant organisation. They are an interest group - as are Pavee Point. Anything they put forwar
179 Oa260 : 50,000 Illegals from the USA should be deported back to Ireland then .... or as the Irish prefer to call them the ''un documented'' funny that when t
180 JWMD123 : No Try going through some of the US cities and no matter what colour or race you are the CBP process (in America) can be very intimidating
181 Post contains links Oa260 : I have been through US Immigration loads of times in all major cities and I agree it can be very intimidating but I always believed Ireland had bette
182 Tango29 : Fair point, yes there has been some bad press lately and in my opinion some of it is totally justified, once again these so called bad eggs are getti
183 Oa260 : I agree , there used to be a high amount of complaints from people dealing with UK Immigration but since they set up the new dept it has got alot bet
184 Smokeyrosco : While working in the airport I indirectly dealt with deportee's fairly regularly. Some of them where well behaved, but I've seen a lot of incidents w
185 Tango29 : No offence taken, i fully agree with you, its time the government got there finger out and have a look at the way its done in the UK, people arriving
186 Oa260 : I was worried when I first heard about this , I thought it may be a US style swat team but it has turned out really well. Even the staff themselves s
187 Smokeyrosco : Some more EI in the news today rte.ie
188 OA260 : Some Good video and interview with Irish CEO Alan Joyce ::
189 Shamrock104 : RTE and Prime Time are incapable of being objective or balanced in anyway. They already did one on deportation to Nigeria, and as expected it was fla
190 Bramble : You can take the guy out of tallaght but you can't take the Tallaght out of the guy........................"I tink the A-tree-80" Great to hear an Ir
191 Post contains links Kaitak : Especially when you consider that it's arguably one of the world's most famous airlines; I remember, before I became interested in aviation, there we
192 Tonymctigue : Although it is a pity to hear of staff being let go at EI in SNN many of them whom have probably given twenty years or more service to the company, a
193 OA260 : LOL.... one of my best mates is from Tallaght I'm always slaggin him though. Its good to see Mr Joyce in such a high post , very down to earth.
194 Post contains links Bramble : In response to the earlier discussion of Irish registered aircraft in Italy: Spotted this example in FCO http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/2925
195 AmricanShamrok : Wouldn't it be cool if Aer Lingus ordered an A380 or two. Probably will never happen though.
196 EISHN : There was a pretty big celebration in Toulouse with Government Ministers, and the media at the Airbus facilities where the first aircraft [EISHN] was
197 Post contains links OA260 : Anyone got any Irish recipes then post here :: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/1985856/
198 EIJFK : My family and I used to fly out of Shannon until a couple of years ago, when Dublin's "convenience" took over...We all have both Irish and US passpor
199 Post contains links Kaitak : I have joint Irish and US citizenship and obviously since the post 9/11 changes, I have to use my US passport to fly there; it does make flying there
200 Post contains links OA260 : A transatlantic flight from Belfast to the United States had to be diverted after an elderly passenger became ill, carrier Continental Airlines has sa
201 Bramble : muppets
202 BrianDromey : Can't agree more. I wonder what they thought it was they were going to achieve? Or was their getting to EWR on-time more important than a persons lif
203 Post contains links Rojam : I wanted to reply here tonight but am holding off.... This is not aviation related, but very relevant to these threads. Bear with me. With complete re
204 Bramble : I have been known to correct spelling when quoting someone. However I usually recognise when the mis-spelling was intentional. I myself often post bad
205 Tonymctigue : Sounds like a fitting tribute to mark the occasion. Perhaps then we will see EI put on something similar when the A350's arrive because like the time
206 Toulouse : Well back from a quick trip to Dublin (further convincing me about my desire to return home as per my thread on non-av a couple of weeks ago). I'm act
207 Post contains links OA260 : Would be a nice experience !!! Continental’s New York chopper transfer CONTINENTAL Airlines has a promotional $45 one-way fare for its US Helicopter
208 Kaitak : They were probably worried about their savings; instead of refunding the airline for its costs, they'll be asked to bail out an Icelandic bank. I hav
209 JWMD123 : Wish this could be done from JFK. Beats the hell out of the traffic on the Van Wyck Expressway!!
210 Bramble : Had a chat myself with the EI Operations Controller...one the guys/gals who runs flight operations all day. Very senior position, they decide which f
211 F1eddie : I dont know. If there is such demand why does AC not go yearly??? I personally feel an Asian destination would have a much better market though. Oh w
212 ABC9 : I take your point F1eddie, but Bramble and other crew on here have in the past posted on the number of people on LHR flights with onward boarding pas
213 AmricanShamrok : Or even SNN by WX?
214 OA260 : No demand for it . AC only will operate 17th May 2009 until 29th September . Especially in the current economic climate.
215 F1eddie : So why would EI start a canadian route then? Thats only 5 and a half months!! Not even half a year
216 Bramble : Lots of northern irish connections in canada. By routing DUB-BFS-YYZ EI are drawing on 2 markets,and a A330 route from BFS would be a big deal if mar
217 Oa260 : I think in the Summer it would work but in this present time I just think its dodgy and too high a risk. You are of course right about the Ulster fol
218 Bramble : It may be high risk but to be honest EI do have the cash reserves to allow them to take the chance. The problem told to me is that EI refuse to resea
219 COEI2007 : Bramble, I'm not surprised at all, and i'm sure Bx737 and any other EI staff arent either! You really have to work for EI to know what its like!!!! E
220 Oa260 : Yes American Holidays seem to be keeping the MCO route going themselves !!
221 COEI2007 : Doesnt Tour America's USA or Florida (or both) brochures feature Aer Lingus all over the brochure?? Thats why I though an new North American link, li
222 Tonymctigue : You beat me to it. A YYZ route is just like any of the other possible routes we discuss on this form. It could be made to work if the will was there
223 Post contains links EIEGAA : In short, not right now. The Air Access fund has been fully allocated but is currently under review. It may well be that if international routes from
224 Post contains links Oa260 : Tánaiste concerned at Aer Lingus cuts THE TÁNAISTE and Minister for Enterprise and Employment is "disappointed" at the scale of the proposed cutback
225 JWMD123 : See the below recent analysis from Davy Stockbrokers regarding EI. It looks like they think they are undervalued, even in this current market
226 Humberside : Think they have now finished for the summer, or will finish soon, but will return to DUB next year with 2 YHM flights (1 starts at CWL - this year it
227 CallBell : Just a thought on Canadian routes... with both Air Canada and GSM both only flying seasonally to Dublin, would an EI flight REALLY work? If the demand
228 BrianDromey : Does EI need to cut costs or find a Network partner ASAP? Can EI really survive as an independent entity, as a quasi-low cost carrier? Would EI be be
229 OA260 : FCA 8510 went tech this morning for the 0800 to TFS. New A/C supposed to be operating at 1945 instead. Passengers being taken to hotel. My mate was on
230 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus has had a number of sales on recently, they seem change on a daily basis. Hopefully filling some of those seats. Here's my next Ryanair tri
231 OA260 : S7 are offering fares from DUB-DME-OVB-BKK on an A319,A320 and A310 !! Not the most direct route but Im sure some Anetters would like it .
232 Pilot21 : Didn't see anything on the boards about this - but ATDB is listing the next A330E arrival to EI has been allocated the reg EI-EAV. The aircraft number
233 Post contains links Kaitak : Sure will; I actually put this on the thread a while back; the Irish Air Letter comes out in the middle of the month; we'll hopefully find out what t
234 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : The new Galway Airport website includes live flight information. Alot busier than I thought It'd be. http://www.galwayairport.com/index
235 Bramble : Hence the EI rush to commence the cost saving programme on Dec 1st. Wonder what catchy name they will chose for this one?
236 Kaitak : Has Davy (or any other form of stockbroker or analysts) ever cast doubt on or criticised EI's long haul policy. Back in the WW days, we were told tha
237 Oa260 : I heard the Cabin Crew USA program was called ''rendition flights''.
238 ParseBandit : A majority? A sizeable minority? A tiny percentage? In any event a third level qualification does not necessarily mean they have not been infected wi
239 AmricanShamrok : This morning's FR23 from BVA-DUB showed Lille on the Dublin Airport board. Looks like a diversion.
240 Post contains links EI320 : Irish crew ready for departure Is the Aer Lingus decision to outsource its frontline cabin crew the final nail in the coffin of the airline's national
241 Shamrock350 : As a passenger it's not the cabin crew changes that are worrying me. If the people working on my flight are friendly, helpful and do the job well whi
242 Oa260 : Nice article and interesting. Some things I would go along with and some not. It certainly will be an interesting few months. Dont know how true or n
243 Kaitak : I think the phrase that stuck with me most is that there has been 15 years of annual culling and no matter what the cabin crew give, the airline is ba
244 EI320 : I understand where your coming from, but isn't it the staff in the air that puts the "Irishness" in Aer Lingus? Everyone has their own reason for cho
245 COEI2007 : I wonder could we eventually see EI allign itself as an associate partner of one of the main alliances. EI is partneres with UA now, and B6, and LH h
246 ThrottleHold : That's exactly what it is. Designed to create fear among the crews in order to attain more cutbacks from them. Standard low-life management stuff.
247 Shamrock350 : I often choose to fly Aer Lingus because I feel at home from the moment I step on board and I'm sure many other people choose to fly Aer Lingus for s
248 Oa260 : I was booking flights to LGW and looked at FR BA and EI. I ruled FR out pretty quickly as by the time I payed the CC fees and Baggage charges it came
249 EI320 : I agree it's nice seeing a mixture of nationalities among the crew, as long as it's not at the expense of other staff. That's going to be a problem f
250 Oa260 : Indeed. I saw that they have some amazing fares for BCN in November. EUR65 return all in but who knows what the state of play will be in 4-6 weeks ti
251 Bramble : Anyone else having problems with the instant messages? Have been able to open my messages but its not allowing me to response....apparently there is n
252 BrianDromey : Oil has fallen sharply in recent days, probably because of the situation of credit markets forcing speculators to get the hell out of dodge and give t
253 EI787 : I totally agree with you. It's like EI is going through some sort of mid-life crisis! I do feel though that EI will overcome this. It may look messy
254 CallBell : Not true at all. The union representing the vast majority of cabin crew starting negotioations, not balloting for strike action. The difference with
255 Bramble : Another point is that I cannot see the company allowing the US crew to be trained up the old way (trained at DUB by EI crew,introduced on routes out
256 Aer Lingus : i wonder how many though would be expats, wanting to make that connection with home again?
257 COEI2007 : I've been on maybe 2 flights where I was the only Irish crew member! But we were all trained by Irish crew in DUB, and we had the Aer Lingus ethos as
258 Post contains links Kaitak : Some interesting articles in today's SBP about EI: Govt's 25% holding might cause headaches: http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/s...ES-qqqm=nav-qqqid=
259 Post contains links Kaitak : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4175507/ All change. In every sense of the word ...
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