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Southwest 737 300 With Winglets....  
User currently offlineFlyB6 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13557 times:

Southwest put winglets on there 300 i didn't know that. I thought no one made winglets or have put them on 300, I thought I was on a 700 but i was lost cause the wing looked like a 300 and it had winglet until i saw the cockpit it was a 300.


So how many 300 have been fitted with winglets now? Does this extend the life of the 300? I know they are a little old. I flew in a 300 from DCA to MCO on UsAirways and they are very out dated, that cabin was nasty looking the panel i was sitting next to was falling apart the shade was gone. Those birds really need a face lift. Southwest has them in great condition.

[Edited 2008-09-29 14:12:07]

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13546 times:

Yep, winglets for the -300 and -500 have been certified for some time now. Couple of years, I want to say. Southwest, Continental, SNBrussels, and others are flying classic 737s with winglets.

P.S.- Can you please, in the future, work on a little punctuation? It would make your post a lot easier to figure out.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2424 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

As of January of 2007, Southwest Airlines began to install winglets on its Boeing 737-300 fleet, however only the newest "737-3H4s" will get them installed, so pretty much a/c N368SW to a/c N656SW will get a pair of winglets. As far as I know the 737-500 fleet will not get them as they fly some of the shorter routes ( I maybe wrong OPNLguy can confirm that one) Also one more thing to add a/c 368 is the first -300 to get the winglets and a/c 656 is the last "factory fresh" -300 WN received, a/c 657-699 are all second hand -300's.


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1820 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13487 times:

Atleast twenty-four -300 aircraft have been fitted with winglets according to Planespotters.net http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Southwest-Airlines not sure if anyone has any updates on any further frames that have?

User currently offlineCsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1505 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13359 times:



Quoting FlyB6 (Thread starter):
I want to say. Southwest, Continental, SNBrussels, and others are flying classic 737s with winglets.

I think some others are Air Baltic and maybe even Thomsonfly does as well.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13249 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
s far as I know the 737-500 fleet will not get them as they fly some of the shorter routes ( I maybe wrong OPNLguy can confirm that one)

AFAIK, the 735s are not getting them.

Of the 90 733s scheduled to get them, last I heard we had 55 or so done which is about 60% or so..


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Winglets alone won't necessarily save you from becoming obsolete anyway...witness these Continental -500's and 300's with winglets that are among the many being retired by them. While the aircraft themselves may or may not have a lot of life left in them, they no longer fits into Continental's fleet plans.

http://www.opshots.net/gallery2/index.php?page=photos&id=10530

http://www.opshots.net/gallery2/index.php?page=photos&id=10531

[Edited 2008-09-29 16:37:10]

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13184 times:



Quoting FlyB6 (Thread starter):
So how many 300 have been fitted with winglets now? Does this extend the life of the 300? I know they are a little old.

The winglet mod doesn't really extend the life of the aircraft, per se; it just makes it more efficient to operate. The improved fuel efficiency does perhaps bolster the economic case for retaining the aircraft. Many of Southwest's 737-300's aren't all that old; they kept taking new -300's off the line until the first -700 arrived at the end of 1997, meaning that a good number only reached their tenth birthdays last year.


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12879 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 6):
While the aircraft themselves may or may not have a lot of life left in them, they no longer fits into Continental's fleet plans.

So then, quick question. Could CO potentially take the winglets off the a/c leaving the fleet and put them on another one of their a/c?

Seems like if they could, it could save them some money.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12722 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 8):
So then, quick question. Could CO potentially take the winglets off the a/c leaving the fleet and put them on another one of their a/c?

I was thinking the same thing, after looking at those photos.
I don't see why not. Unless they're hoping to recoup the expense during a sale to whoever is buying the planes. You know, if S7 is willing to pay the cost of the winglets AND the labor, I can see Continental letting them go.


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11850 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
if S7 is willing to pay the cost of the winglets AND the labo

From what I understand, it's UTair who is getting the majority of the -500's. Is S7 getting some, too?


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11576 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 6):
Winglets alone won't necessarily save you from becoming obsolete anyway...witness these Continental -500's and 300's with winglets that are among the many being retired by them. While the aircraft themselves may or may not have a lot of life left in them, they no longer fits into Continental's fleet plans

Wonder what resale value they added? The cost of the winglets? More?

These will be state of the art aircraft for some airlines.

M


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11565 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 10):
Is S7 getting some, too?

Acutally S7 in the process of disposing of their 735's as you can see with this picture of several ex-S7 735's at EGHL Lasham.




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S7 is actually in the process of acquiring a 737-400 from a certain defunct Indonesian airline right now.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9309 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 8):
So then, quick question. Could CO potentially take the winglets off the a/c leaving the fleet and put them on another one of their a/c?

They certainly can, but it probably wouldn't make economic sense. With the winglets on, the aircraft is worth more in resale. If they take them off CO is out the labour cost to remove them, plus dropped the resale value by the value of the winglets *plus* the cost for the buyer to reinstall their own.

Unless the buyer is running a route structure where winglets don't actually help...then they might want them off.

Tom.


User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

View my video from YouTube:

Southwest 737-300 with winglets: takeoff from DTW to BWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yildmxZbQHM

Dr.DTW


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9234 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
As far as I know the 737-500 fleet will not get them as they fly some of the shorter routes

I have seen WN flying the 735 on PHL - MCO, not that short of a route.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

Those are definatley some lime green planes. What are they retired and out of Hours? seems unusual as there are many older ones out there flying


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlinePaulcaz From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8659 times:

There are nothing wrong with these they are going to airlines in Nigeria I believe.


Paul Newman Ascot UK
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2424 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8583 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 16):
What are they retired and out of Hours?

Southwest Airlines traditionally keeps their planes until the age of 25, however some of the -300s that are beginning to leave the fleet are the ones that Southwest leased, and they are not picking up the contract again. Also one other thing to note is that N672SW is now also retired from the WN fleet also.



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User currently offlineBoeing12345 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8435 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 8):
So then, quick question. Could CO potentially take the winglets off the a/c leaving the fleet and put them on another one of their a/c?

Seems like if they could, it could save them some money.



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 13):
They certainly can, but it probably wouldn't make economic sense. With the winglets on, the aircraft is worth more in resale. If they take them off CO is out the labour cost to remove them, plus dropped the resale value by the value of the winglets *plus* the cost for the buyer to reinstall their own.

Unless the buyer is running a route structure where winglets don't actually help...then they might want them off.

Tom.

Actually the -500's that are leaving the fleet are getting the winglets installed because it will make them more attractive to potential buyers. If I remember correctly all -500's will have winglets installed on them. Of course the exit plan is rumored to be changing again too, so time will tell what happens there.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8418 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
As far as I know the 737-500 fleet will not get them as they fly some of the shorter routes

They absolutely do not Bobby.

The -500's have flown and I see them on LAX-STL, LAS-STL, PHX-STL, MCO-STL, FLL-STL, all beyond 2 hrs in flight time length.

-500 flies all stages of flights with Southwest Airlines.

Alex



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User currently offlineUsair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

The -500's are starting to be used almost everywhere. Last week had a -500 do DEN-PHL. I believe it was an aircraft swap though.

User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8349 times:
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IIRC don't the 735's have more range than the 733? We see the 735's in TUL quite a bit, seem to mostly be running between MDW and HOU with the normal stops on the way.

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