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AA Drops PDX-ORD Again  
User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

It appears effective 11/02/2008 AA will drop PDX-ORD two daily flights, again. Understandable, given the current environment.

The 4x daily PDX-DFW will remain intact.

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User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Is the PDX-ORD route seasonal for AA?

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
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Not surprised here either. Similar to what UA did on their SJC-ORD route.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5228 times:



Quoting TPAPDX (Thread starter):
It appears effective 11/02/2008 AA will drop PDX-ORD two daily flights, again. Understandable, given the current environment.

Its a seasonal drop. It returns on April 7, but is only a single daily service.



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User currently offlineJcchristie From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

well that is better than dropping it all together I guess!

User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Not surprising, given the current situation and that this is AA we're talking about (think sAAfe, conservAAtive, impAAtient).

Still, isn't ORD better suited geographically for connections to the northwest?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4380 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
Still, isn't ORD better suited geographically for connections to the northwest?

The biggest reason why there are alot more flights from DFW to the West than ORD (on AA) is yields. That is in part to competition that AA faces at ORD (UA) where there isnt any at DFW. The iron (for some people) was that when AA announced their big round of cuts several months back, ORD recieved most of the cuts domestically whereas DFW was relatively unharmed. Again, thats because yeilds to cities out west on AA are much better from DFW than ORD.

Geographically I would argue that it really doesnt matter. ORD is further north, but DFW is further west. Six one way, half a dozen the other.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4025 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
Geographically I would argue that it really doesnt matter. ORD is further north, but DFW is further west. Six one way, half a dozen the other.

Unless your travel originates at ORD.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3944 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
Unless your travel originates at ORD.

Obviously. If your travel orginates at ORD or DFW or wherever, the stright line is going to be the closest way to go.

Although it does surprise me that AA cant keep ORD-PDX going year round at least daily. UA tends to outlast AA in a lot of markets, but AA has managed to have exclusive ORD services too (like ELP, SJC, and TUS).



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User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Gee, let me guess AS will add PDX-ORD year round. How orginal!

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3201 times:



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 9):
Gee, let me guess AS will add PDX-ORD year round.

The chances are, they will....given the familiarity of AS in the PDX & SEA areas as well as hub status too.



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User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3007 times:



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 9):
Gee, let me guess AS will add PDX-ORD year round. How orginal!

That would be WONDERFUL! It has been rumored for quite a while now so hopefully this is one rumor that will come true.

DCA has also been rumored. Is that far-fetched or does anybody else see PDX-DCA as a possiblity? If, of course, slots can be acquired.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2980 times:



Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 11):

DCA has also been rumored. Is that far-fetched or does anybody else see PDX-DCA as a possiblity? If, of course, slots can be acquired.

It is extremely far fetched because I doubt the DOT would award AS a fourth pair of slots, and I doubt they will award service to Portland over service to larger markets, even those that already have service, like Los Angeles and San Francisco (SFO currently doesn't have DCA flights).

The idea of them applying might not be far-fetched, but I doubt they would ever be granted the rights by DOT.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

It's strange that AA can't operate year-round service between ORD-PDX. As stated earlier AA does face competition from UA but how can AA maintain a viable competitor if they're dropping service to big cities like PDX and PVD. It appears the battle between UA and AA at ORD has finally been officially won by UA. At least in terms of service to most major markets.

Jeremy


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2854 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 13):
It's strange that AA can't operate year-round service between ORD-PDX.

And it's strange that UA can't operate any service on ORD-FLL, ORD-PBI, ORD-ABQ, and ORD-SJC, but that's how it is.

I don't think that UA has "won" the domestic battle at O'Hare, because there never was one. UA has always been king at O'Hare, that was never really challenged. Though UA has found just as many failures as AA.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

I don't think that UA has "won" the domestic battle at O'Hare, because there never was one. UA has always been king at O'Hare, that was never really challenged. Though UA has found just as many failures as AA.

For the longest time UA and AA were able to offer comparable levels of service to nearly every major US market other than their respective hubs. While you listed UA as dropping FLL and PBI, UA still offers service to MIA so the market is still being serviced. SJC is in the same boat with SFO nearby and extremely well covered by UA. PDX and PVD are not. AA is essentially ceding the market to UA in major cities that they should be able to maintain year-round service. ABQ is another story, but still, is not as major a city as PDX or even PVD.

Jeremy


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 847 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2808 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
And it's strange that UA can't operate any service on ORD-FLL, ORD-PBI, ORD-ABQ, and ORD-SJC, but that's how it is.

Is UA dropping ORD-ABQ?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2748 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):

Is UA dropping ORD-ABQ?

No, sorry, my error. UA Express flies the route daily.



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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
Is UA dropping ORD-ABQ?

No, United will maintain 1x daily with E70. Currently the route sees 2x E70, and will see 320 equipment this month.


United and American coexist at ORD and have for a while, the wars of the 1980s are over at O"Hare; I saw them come and go when I was there and will be non-apparent for the foreseeable future.



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User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 15):
is not as major a city as PDX or even PVD

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you have said, I am humored by your comparison of PVD to PDX. It's kind of like comparing PDX to SEA  Smile


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2617 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 15):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

I don't think that UA has "won" the domestic battle at O'Hare, because there never was one. UA has always been king at O'Hare, that was never really challenged. Though UA has found just as many failures as AA.

For the longest time UA and AA were able to offer comparable levels of service to nearly every major US market other than their respective hubs.

UA has ALWAYS been stronger than AA in Chicago, dating back to the 1930s. UA served many more cities than AA before deregulation, so UA's hub was much larger than AA's. After deregulation, both AA and UA grew in Chicago, as TWA and Northwest shut their Chicago hubs down, and Delta, North Central / Republic, Continental, and Eastern abandoned many of their pre-deregulation point to point routes. However, the relationship between the two airlines never changed much - UA was the largest airline, but AA was the "strong #2".

I think things would have been different if ORD had not been capacity constrained. Just as AA was able to build their MIA and DFW hubs up to the point that UA became a "weak #2" at MIA, and DL became a "weak #2" at DFW, if UA had been able to add as many flights as they wanted, they would have been able to drive AA out of Chicago by the mid 1990s.



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User currently offlineLH469 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

AA's PDX-ORD flights normally are transporting connect pax and not O&D pax. They flow alot to the NE and Europe and vis-a-vis to Oregon during the peak travel periods.

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2481 times:



Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 19):
While I don't necessarily disagree with what you have said, I am humored by your comparison of PVD to PDX. It's kind of like comparing PDX to SEA Smile

Hence the "or even PVD." PDX is a much larger city than PVD I know, but PVD is still a major US city by most standards.

Jeremy


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2433 times:



Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 19):
It's kind of like comparing PDX to SEA  

Which should never ever be done.

PDX= Best city in the world.

SEA= cesspool

End of story.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2410 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I don't think that UA has "won" the domestic battle at O'Hare, because there never was one. UA has always been king at O'Hare, that was never really challenged. Though UA has found just as many failures as AA.

There are certainly markets in which they coexist where AA does much better. NYC and LHR come to mind.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 18):
United and American coexist at ORD and have for a while, the wars of the 1980s are over at O"Hare

I'm not sure that's quite true. Neither UA nor AA seems to want to (re-)introduce props at ORD, though rumor has it that UA is seriously interested in the Q400 for DEN.



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