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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

In today's Advertiser...
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...29/BUSINESS03/809290322&s=d&page=2

Some of the changes we have already heard about like the engine power washing and the APB 767 blended winglets.

What I found interesting was the 3000 pound "diet" the longhaul 767 fleet will undergo: smaller service carts and lighter seats. I thought the slimline seats on the new-build ships 580-582 and 587-593 were already as light as you could go. I wonder if these new seats are same as the ones installed with the Heath Tecna interiors on the ex-Delta planes, but I am not sure if those are lightweight seats.

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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Good article. I haven't heard anything about more 'lighter' seats however. I think he may be referring to the new seatbacks in the ex-LTU aircraft that we've already installed. Also, the reporter erred in saying we 'tow the aircraft to the runway'. No, we don't. The only towing we do is when we use the interisland gates for the 767, and tow the aircraft clear of that ramp before starting the engines. It's a safety thing, not a fuel conservation thing.

HAL



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

I'm just glad to hear nothing about reducing the paint/livery on the fleet as an additional fuel-saving technique; I can remember how HA looked with the old fleet of ex-AA DC-10s (with the polished aluminum and a little bit of pink and purple color here and there.) IMHO, Pualani looks just gorgeous these days, especially displayed against the bright, white background!

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User currently offlinePDXFlyBoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I can remember how HA looked with the old fleet of ex-AA DC-10s (with the polished aluminum and a little bit of pink and purple color here and there.)

The reason why the polished skin and only having Hawaiian's colors on the window chealines and Pualani tail logo was the lease agreement with American.

American required the revised livery for their maintenance specifications.

When HA leased a few ex-CO DC-10's a 70th Anniversary hybrid livery was unveiled for the short time before the 767's started entering the fleet mix.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3567 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 1):
haven't heard anything about more 'lighter' seats however. I think he may be referring to the new seatbacks in the ex-LTU aircraft that we've already installed.

Actually, we had a shipment from HA about a month ago. It was sample seats from a seat manufacturer. There was a set of 3 coach seats and a set of 2 F/C seats. The seats were really light, each set weighing slightly over 150lbs, including all the packaging. I actually sat in the seats prior to packing them.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting Ha763 (Reply 4):
Actually, we had a shipment from HA about a month ago. It was sample seats from a seat manufacturer. There was a set of 3 coach seats and a set of 2 F/C seats. The seats were really light, each set weighing slightly over 150lbs, including all the packaging. I actually sat in the seats prior to packing them.

We had several sample seats over at headquarters for evaluation for the upcoming A330 deliveries. Could those be the seats you saw?

HAL



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

I found the bit about buying AC carts for the interisland gates interesting. Has it been HA's policy in the past to run the APU while on the ground instead of using ground power and conditioned air?


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
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Quoting HAL (Reply 5):
We had several sample seats over at headquarters for evaluation for the upcoming A330 deliveries. Could those be the seats you saw?

I actually thought that they may have been for the 717. I didn't think about the A330, since the A330 is 2-4-2. The coach seats that I saw was a set of 3, which would either mean the 767 or 717.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2907 times:



Quote:
For instance, the airline is cutting the weight on each of its Boeing 767-300 jets by 3,000 pounds, replacing its passenger seats with lighter seats and by using smaller in-flight service carts. A 767-300s, when filled with passengers, weighs about 360,000 pounds for West Coast flights and 408,000 pounds for flights to Sydney and Manila.

3,000 pounds removed from 360,000 = .83% weight drop.

3,000 pounds removed from 408,000 = .73% weight drop.

Less than 1% at take-off, but every little bit helps I guess.

As for towing planes to the runway, you'd be filling up the tugs constantly if you were going to tow all of them to the reef runway from the terminal...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 2876 times:



Quoting PDXFlyBoy (Reply 3):
The reason why the polished skin and only having Hawaiian's colors on the window chealines and Pualani tail logo was the lease agreement with American.

Any pics of this aircraft in that livery??



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Here's one of the bare metal HA DC-10s and one in the 70th anniversary special scheme.


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Hey Swifty
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 2796 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 10):
Here's one of the bare metal HA DC-10s....

Ohhhhh! That's what the bare metal looked like. Now I remember! Thanks!



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting Ha763 (Reply 7):
I actually thought that they may have been for the 717. I didn't think about the A330, since the A330 is 2-4-2. The coach seats that I saw was a set of 3, which would either mean the 767 or 717.

I think that when the manufacturers send over sample seats, they automatically come in a 3-across setup, no matter how the final arrangement will look.

HAL



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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 2277 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 1):
I think he may be referring to the new seatbacks in the ex-LTU aircraft that we've already installed.

Which aircraft were ex-LTU?



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User currently offlineHawaiianA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 1907 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 13):
Quoting HAL (Reply 1):
I think he may be referring to the new seatbacks in the ex-LTU aircraft that we've already installed.

Which aircraft were ex-LTU?

The ex-LTU ones are aircraft #'s 583-586.


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