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Air France To Send 777-200 To PPT Summer 2009  
User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 33
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8585 times:
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Ia Orana All !

As rumoured for a while now, Air France has finally decided to send its 777-200ER to Papeete from April 2009.
3 flights a week, friday, saturday and sunday will operate from CDG via LAX to the tahitian island.
GDS haven't been loaded yet but the confirmation was given to the Air France Tahiti Comité d'Entreprise before it was released to the press.
Us crew will be sent to CDg from december for the 777 licence.

http://www.tahitipresse.pf/tourisme.cfm?snav=see&presse=25476

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew


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User currently offlineFOLOV From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

Congrats to you another plane for you to play on, can't wait to see it land or take off from FAAA

User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Is this because there's enough F demand now? Or because they don't want to send the 343 anymore?

I guess this means LAX becomes all 777. How boring!


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

I took the 747 Combi a few years ago and it was not all that nice. This is certainly and upgrade.

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8275 times:

What does that mean for Air Tahiti Nui? Bad news?

Didn't them and AF have some sort of code sharing?



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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Interesting...as pointed out by FUN2FLY, this used to be a 744 route, then it became an A340-300 route, and now it'll be a 777-200ER route. What's the nature of the demand/mix on CDG-(LAX)-PPT? I was under the impression that the 744s and 343s were configured in a mostly leisure configuration (without F) whereas the 772s are in a 3-class layout.

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 2):
I guess this means LAX becomes all 777. How boring!

Agreed mate...how boring indeed. Would have been great to get AF 744/343/77Ws each day, or each week at least.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

This change has been in the pipeline for a while. I've never understood why they changed from a 3-class B744 to a 2-class A343 in the first place. Sure enough, the 13 seats in the Premiere were too much for the route, but PPT always had some F demand. The 4 seats of the B772ER will be a good fit.

AF Cabin Crew, will the PPT crews go all the way to CDG again now that the schedule setup will change as you guys used to do with the B744, or will it still be just LAX for you?


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

How much competition is there on the LAX-PPT route? Does NZ fly the route in addition to TN and AF?


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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8155 times:



Quoting Airxliban (Reply 5):
I was under the impression that the 744s and 343s were configured in a mostly leisure configuration (without F) whereas the 772s are in a 3-class layout.

Here's how AF do their layouts:

"Mainline"
744 / 343 / 332: Affaires + Tempo
77W / 772: Premiere + Affaires + Tempo

"COI (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) Leisure Configuration"
744 / 77W: Affaires + Alize + Tempo

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 5):
Agreed mate...how boring indeed. Would have been great to get AF 744/343/77Ws each day, or each week at least.

For sure. They can do away with the 777s entirely... Too ordinary and dull if you ask me!

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Sure enough, the 13 seats in the Premiere were too much for the route, but PPT always had some F demand. The 4 seats of the B772ER will be a good fit.

Yah, 4 Premiere seats should be just about right. 13 was just overkill.


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8132 times:



Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 7):
How much competition is there on the LAX-PPT route? Does NZ fly the route in addition to TN and AF?

AF and TN are the only nonstops. HA through HNL is probably the only realistic connecting option (if schedules permit it).

NZ would route LAX-AKL-PPT, which means an additional 5,000 miles, so its not a real option.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8059 times:



Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Thread starter):
Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew

Congrats Robson, I know how long you've been waiting for this! So that means that this will be a true connecting flight, i.e. that the aircraft coming from PPT continues on to CDG or will it still be a transfer of a/c from a 772 to a 77W? I guess you don't really care as long as you guys continue to stay down at Newport Beach!  Wink

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 2):
Is this because there's enough F demand now?

My partner (an AF agent) worked at LAX for the past 18 months. He would always point out that on every transfer flight coming in from CDG at least 2 passengers would go from F to J as the A343 of course lacked the service. As HB-IWC points out, the 13 F seats in the 744 were an overkill but there is demand for the 4 seats on the 772.

I've always heard that this is a great flight; the Tahiti-based crews, in particular, are among the friendliest in the AF network!


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7915 times:



Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Thread starter):
Air France has finally decided to send its 777-200ER to Papeete from April 2009

ETOPS-wise, how far does it go from any diversion airport?



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7667 times:
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Ia Orana all !

We are all excited as it was in the pipeline for 2 years now... and we had those rumours going on for so long and nothing. It is now official !

We are going to start to go to CDG from december for the 777 licence as all 90 cabin attendants need to be trained on the aircraft.

AF will have a perfect product for the route with the P seats we were missing as loads of customers decided to go to TN because we didn't have First anymore with the 744 and 343 afterwards.
They will be coming back to us as our First Class seat has better reviews than the competition on the route. And also because TN has decided to stop First Class and go with a 3 class layout with an upgraded business class, premium economy and economy.

AF and TN will sign a hard block codeshare agreement with AF buying a block of seats on TN flights between PPT-LAX-PPT and TN will buy seats on AF's flights CDG-LAX-CDG.
TN CEO, Christian Vernaudon is in Paris right now talking about this codeshare and the skyTeam partnership.

More news soon !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineHT1000 From French Polynesia, joined Jun 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7260 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 11):

ETOPS-wise, how far does it go from any diversion airport?

The closer alternate on the route is Hawaii , they might take a route slightly different (north) to stay in the ETOPS zone.



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User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7034 times:



Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 12):
We are going to start to go to CDG from december for the 777 licence as all 90 cabin attendants need to be trained on the aircraft

Great, Indeed ! A good change is always motivating.

Can you tell me how your roster goes or will go ; the PPT F/As will work the flight all the way to Paris ? (Of course with overnight in LAX on the route LOL)

Rumors at "la Cite PN " in CDG ( F/As City building) saying that AF might open a temporary base (a 6 month-assignment for CDG F/As to do LAX-LHR ( and maybe LAX-PPT who knows !!!).

Cause, we leave for 9 days to work the LAX-LHR and a lot of us hate it :

CDG-LAX 50.05 hrs. in LAX
LAX-LHR 50.20 hrs. in LHR
LHR-LAX 51.00 hrs in LAX
LAX-CDG then may be working only 3 days later from 6 AM


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2495 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6912 times:



Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 12):
We are going to start to go to CDG from december for the 777 licence as all 90 cabin attendants need to be trained on the aircraft.

Isn't it cheaper to just rotate cabin crew that are already trained on the 777 to fly to PPT? Or is it a language barrier, that only you 90 cabin crew possess?

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2495 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 11):
ETOPS-wise, how far does it go from any diversion airport?



Quoting HT1000 (Reply 13):
The closer alternate on the route is Hawaii , they might take a route slightly different (north) to stay in the ETOPS zone.

Exactly ! the AF B777's are certified ETOPS180, which is what's needed to fly LAX-PPT. ETOPS 120 or 138 is not enough for an aircraft to fly LAX-HNL even. Like HT1000 mentioned, if anything, they will fly a route closer to Hawaii, but that's all.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2008-10-01 08:44:20]


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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Hello to all,

The article stipulates "Le Boeing 777-200 offre une capacité de 270 sièges par rapport à l' Airbus A340-300, actuellement utilisé par Air France sur la ligne Papeete-Los Angeles, qui en offre 219. Quatre sièges en première classe seront à nouveau disponibles, celle-ci n'étant actuellement pas proposée sur l'Airbus A340-300." ....

This paragraph completely contradicts the comments of the regional Air France director who says that the 772 offers a reduction in capacity vs. the A340 ... obviously the regional director is correct because the 772 offers a capacity of 264 seats (4P 49J 211Y) ... whereas the A340 (in the 36J 236Y version) offers 272.

The press can never get it right can they.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6611 times:



Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 17):
72 offers a reduction in capacity vs. the A340

I think the reduction they refer to is frequency. As I understand it, the LAX-PPT will be reduced to 3 flights a week versus the current 4 flights a week. Even if they kept the same equipment (A343) it would still be a reduction in capacity.

I think that's what they meant, I might be wrong.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6565 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 14):

CDG-LAX 50.05 hrs. in LAX
LAX-LHR 50.20 hrs. in LHR
LHR-LAX 51.00 hrs in LAX
LAX-CDG then may be working only 3 days later from 6 AM

Ugh that sounds rough. Bit like BAs 9day to SYD via SIN or BKK only without 4 killer sectors, fortunately only two sectors on the BA slug are killers!



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