AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 37 Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7120 times:
Ia Orana All !
As rumoured for a while now, Air France has finally decided to send its 777-200ER to Papeete from April 2009.
3 flights a week, friday, saturday and sunday will operate from CDG via LAX to the tahitian island.
GDS haven't been loaded yet but the confirmation was given to the Air France Tahiti Comité d'Entreprise before it was released to the press.
Us crew will be sent to CDg from december for the 777 licence.
Airxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4492 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6796 times:
Interesting...as pointed out by FUN2FLY, this used to be a 744 route, then it became an A340-300 route, and now it'll be a 777-200ER route. What's the nature of the demand/mix on CDG-(LAX)-PPT? I was under the impression that the 744s and 343s were configured in a mostly leisure configuration (without F) whereas the 772s are in a 3-class layout.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6768 times:
This change has been in the pipeline for a while. I've never understood why they changed from a 3-class B744 to a 2-class A343 in the first place. Sure enough, the 13 seats in the Premiere were too much for the route, but PPT always had some F demand. The 4 seats of the B772ER will be a good fit.
AF Cabin Crew, will the PPT crews go all the way to CDG again now that the schedule setup will change as you guys used to do with the B744, or will it still be just LAX for you?
Congrats Robson, I know how long you've been waiting for this! So that means that this will be a true connecting flight, i.e. that the aircraft coming from PPT continues on to CDG or will it still be a transfer of a/c from a 772 to a 77W? I guess you don't really care as long as you guys continue to stay down at Newport Beach!
My partner (an AF agent) worked at LAX for the past 18 months. He would always point out that on every transfer flight coming in from CDG at least 2 passengers would go from F to J as the A343 of course lacked the service. As HB-IWC points out, the 13 F seats in the 744 were an overkill but there is demand for the 4 seats on the 772.
I've always heard that this is a great flight; the Tahiti-based crews, in particular, are among the friendliest in the AF network!
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 37 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6202 times:
Ia Orana all !
We are all excited as it was in the pipeline for 2 years now... and we had those rumours going on for so long and nothing. It is now official !
We are going to start to go to CDG from december for the 777 licence as all 90 cabin attendants need to be trained on the aircraft.
AF will have a perfect product for the route with the P seats we were missing as loads of customers decided to go to TN because we didn't have First anymore with the 744 and 343 afterwards.
They will be coming back to us as our First Class seat has better reviews than the competition on the route. And also because TN has decided to stop First Class and go with a 3 class layout with an upgraded business class, premium economy and economy.
AF and TN will sign a hard block codeshare agreement with AF buying a block of seats on TN flights between PPT-LAX-PPT and TN will buy seats on AF's flights CDG-LAX-CDG.
TN CEO, Christian Vernaudon is in Paris right now talking about this codeshare and the skyTeam partnership.
Quoting HT1000 (Reply 13): The closer alternate on the route is Hawaii , they might take a route slightly different (north) to stay in the ETOPS zone.
Exactly ! the AF B777's are certified ETOPS180, which is what's needed to fly LAX-PPT. ETOPS 120 or 138 is not enough for an aircraft to fly LAX-HNL even. Like HT1000 mentioned, if anything, they will fly a route closer to Hawaii, but that's all.
[Edited 2008-10-01 08:44:20]
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2119 posts, RR: 33 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
Hello to all,
The article stipulates "Le Boeing 777-200 offre une capacité de 270 sièges par rapport à l' Airbus A340-300, actuellement utilisé par Air France sur la ligne Papeete-Los Angeles, qui en offre 219. Quatre sièges en première classe seront à nouveau disponibles, celle-ci n'étant actuellement pas proposée sur l'Airbus A340-300." ....
This paragraph completely contradicts the comments of the regional Air France director who says that the 772 offers a reduction in capacity vs. the A340 ... obviously the regional director is correct because the 772 offers a capacity of 264 seats (4P 49J 211Y) ... whereas the A340 (in the 36J 236Y version) offers 272.
I think the reduction they refer to is frequency. As I understand it, the LAX-PPT will be reduced to 3 flights a week versus the current 4 flights a week. Even if they kept the same equipment (A343) it would still be a reduction in capacity.