Futurestar68 From Austria, joined May 2004, 196 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19137 times:
Austrian (operated by Lauda Air) starts charter service from Vienna to Mombasa, Kenya, from 26th Oct, using a Boeing 737-800 !! Flight is a 1-stop-service via Assuan, Egypt...
Could you imagine booking that flight? That sounds terrible for me, having to spend about 10 hours on a B 737....
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19126 times:
So it seems like we have a competitor of the DY ARN-DXB route in terms of range. Will the aircraft have any sort of IFE and/or more proper J seats or will it just have a standard layout?
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
Danfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1705 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19071 times:
Quoting Futurestar68 (Reply 2): Just standard layout, all-economy, 184 leatherseats, IFE --> some overhead monitors like most of the shorthaul-aircraft have nowadays...
Now that does sound off putting!!
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Futurestar68 From Austria, joined May 2004, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19039 times:
I know Lauda Air used to have seasonal charters to Kenya, but they used the B767, can't explain why they switch to the 737 and force pax to spend about 10 hrs on a short/mediumhaul aircraft...
PS: Regards to all guys discussing about spending 6/7 hrs on a 757 !
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18984 times:
Quoting Futurestar68 (Reply 2): Just standard layout, all-economy, 184 leatherseats, IFE --> some overhead monitors like most of the shorthaul-aircraft have nowadays...
Will the aircraft even be able to fly that far with only one stopover when carrying 184 pax? Didn't DY fit around 150 seats or so on their 738? Will the aircraft even be able to carry enough food for all pax, or will they recater it in Egypt?
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4061 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18937 times:
Not a 737, but TUIfly Nordic will be sending a charter configured 757-200 on a Stockholm-Copenhagen-Boa Vista-Sal-Copenhagen-Stockholm routing every week this Winter, meaning that if you were going from Stockholm to Sal, you'd be spending 11 hours and 15 minutes onboard, with the return flight being 9 hours 10 minutes.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18681 times:
I think I remember that Malev had a BUD-DXB-BKK flight on a 737...longest at the time at 2166 nm and 2651 nm, for a total of 4817 nm.
Personally, it's not the fact that it's a narrow-body as much as the level of passenger comfort available. Whether it's a middle seat on a 737 or a 747, discomfort is discomfort.
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TheBigZ From Sweden, joined Jul 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18618 times:
Not a B737 either but I remember that Transwede, an 80s/90s charter airline in Sweden, used MD83s for transatlantic ops. In the early 90s they flew MMX-CPH-KEF-YQX-FLL with charter passengers. Imagine sitting in the back by the engines in a cramped charter MD83 for like 15 hours!!!
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 924 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18545 times:
When I worked for TEA Switzerland they used to operate a B. 737-300 from Zurich via Assuan to Mombasa. And they had no inflight entertainment. Later on, TEA also introduced Zurich-Jeddah-Goa and Zurich-Las Palmas-Recife. All with a B. 737-300.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 71 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18267 times:
Quoting Futurestar68 (Reply 2): Just standard layout, all-economy, 184 leatherseats, IFE --> some overhead monitors like most of the shorthaul-aircraft have nowadays...
ED (Air Blue) flies LHE-IST-MAN on an "all-economy" A321 which is further.
Adg737800 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 28 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17919 times:
Dear dear, how did we survive when the world was all 707s and DC-8s with no IFE!
Aren't Lauda now the 'charter unit' of Austrian? If so, whoever has chartered the plane must be confident that they are going to fill those seats. Personally I can do without watching the 'gogglebox' on a flight and, lets face it, economy is painful enough no matter who or what you fly with!
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3577 posts, RR: 30 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17875 times:
Quoting TheBigZ (Reply 8): Not a B737 either but I remember that Transwede, an 80s/90s charter airline in Sweden, used MD83s for transatlantic ops. In the early 90s they flew MMX-CPH-KEF-YQX-FLL with charter passengers. Imagine sitting in the back by the engines in a cramped charter MD83 for like 15 hours!!!
Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1648 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17827 times:
Not much different than a 757..same exact fuselage diameter and all....
When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4061 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17694 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 15): CPH-BVB would be 8705km, too much for a 757. Are you sure that they don't stop in SID on this leg, too?
It's Boa Vista in Cape Verde (BVC), as apposed to Boa Vista in Brazil (BVB). CPH-BVC is 5320km, still 700km shorter than LGW-CLE, a similar 757 route that has operated for years.
Boa Vista is a reasonably new destination, the second Cape Verde island to be developed for tourism (although having been to Sal, I'd hardly call it 'developed', more 'work in progress'). With the exception of flights from the UK, almost all Cape Verde flights by TUI this Winter will be double-drop flights in both Sal and Boa Vista.
Airbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17677 times:
Well I'm not surprised.. after all, it's Mombasa. (my hometown)
Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17670 times:
Charter flights in winter out of CPH can also be long on narrowbodies; DK and JTG have flown to Banjul with 320's and 737's, respectively, via TFS. I think the roundtrip was around 21 hours, CPH to CPH. I think DK did Natal via TFS also, but not sure. Not aware of the current plans for this winter.
As for 757's, I know Scanway (Tyrkiet Experten), a low-market Danish TO, used I think it was Thai Orient Airlines sardin-configured 752's on CPH-BKK/HKT a couple of years back, via SHJ I think. Also quite a long distance in a charter-configured narrowbody..
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KGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 2792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17639 times:
I did SAN-BWI yesterday on a Southwest Airlines 737-700 -- just short of 5 hours with free soft drinks and all the salty-snacks you could eat. All economy class with leather-covered seats -- good knee-room (I'm tall).
I believe the routing for Southwest Airlines 1422 is SFO-SAN-BWI-MHT. That must be a long day for the crew.
CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 746 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17611 times:
I used to think that the Alaska Airways 6.5 hour trip from ANC to ORD was quite long for a 737 but it appears that both 737s and 320s are actually used for trips longer than that.
Since there's a stop, it wouldn't be any different than flying from the east coast of the US to the west coast on a 737, connecting, and then taking another 737 to Hawaii or Alaska. In fact, looking at the Great Circle Mapper, East Coast - West Coast - Alaska is slightly longer, at least for the MCO-SEA-ANC routiing I put in, which you can do on Alaska Airlines, all on 737s. I've done the transcon in both the narrow body and wide body and it's not an overly huge difference to me.
OkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17496 times:
AY used to do Helsinki-Luxor-Mombasa on an MD80s.Don't remember which type exactly. AY also sends it's charter lay out B752s to far east as well as to South America and Caribbeans..
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2355 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17430 times:
Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 19): I did SAN-BWI yesterday on a Southwest Airlines 737-700 -- just short of 5 hours with free soft drinks and all the salty-snacks you could eat. All economy class with leather-covered seats -- good knee-room (I'm tall).
Doesn't WN provide snack-boxes?
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KGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 2792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16883 times:
In fact, back in July 2007 I flew BWI-DEN-BWI and got snack boxes in both directions. Yesterday a FA came down the aisle with a tray of snack packs saying "Take as many as you want." I took just what I had a taste for so there would be no waste. As far as I could see, most of the US Navy crowd on the plane with me did the same.
25 Bakersdozen: KLM runs a Houston-Amsterdam flight on a 737-800 on Saturday at 7:30pm opporated by Privatair. It's a fully business configured flight. It's opperated
26 Thomasphoto60: Actually I believe that KL#663 (PrivatAir) is a 6x weekly service. Thomas
27 PIA777: It is too long. I thought it was too long when I flew ATL-SFO on a 737-800. PIA777
28 Bluestreak: During the 1996 Olympics, Lithuanian Airlines flew a 737-200 charter from Vilnius to Atlanta!! Flight Aware wasn't around at that time (or I was unawa
29 Viscount724: Except most 707s and DC-8s operated by scheduled carriers had much more comfortable 34 inch seat pitch than the cramped Y class seating on most aircr
30 2travel2know: I would suggest you to travel between LAX and EZE/MVD/GRU on CM's B737-700/800.
31 Futurestar68: Ok, some say no difference between the middle seat in a 747 or the one in a 737... of course there are differences for passengers who have to use thos
34 VHSMM: What ever way you look at it, that is a long trip in a short/medium haul aircraft. While sympathetic to the view that an economy seat in a 737 is the
35 REALDEAL: FJ BNE/NAN/HNL/YVR (HNL/YVR leg ending 28NOV) 2 stops as below with 22:50 total transit time (inc 2:15 at HNL) TN28NOVBNEYVR/AFJ ** AMADEUS TIMETABLE
36 CasualObserver: Having suffered Manchester to Taba (Egypt) and return on an Excel B737-800 I am inclined to agree...
37 LH4116: Well i flew ARN-Agadir on a Sterling 73G in 2005, it was a 5h 30m flight. I found the seat pitch to be very cramped even though i was only 5ft 4 back
38 Ikramerica: Yep, if you fly CO from the west coast to many EU cities, it's more than 10 hours in a 737/757. People do it all the time.
40 Beagleboys: Not the first time... Neos ( NO ) in italy during the winter season do the same route from mxp with the 737-800W(184Y) MXP- LXR - MBA . The crew hate
41 Flyingfool: Wasn't it on the 737-700? I remember seeing the 73G arrive also from HKT when I lived in ZRH back in '97/'98 Regards, Flyingfool[Edited 2008-10-01 02
42 F27friend: FJ Operate YVR-HNL-NAN with a B737-800 three times a week. Thats about 11 hours in a narrow body. Surely that is up there with endurance as a passenge
44 Archer: If you want a great, long flight in a 737 try Air Pacific (Fiji) from HNL to Christmas Island to Nadi. Over 7 hours flying with a 45 minute stop at Ch
45 Jetfuel: 707/737/757 its all basically the same. I dont see the big deal. If the seats are comfortable its no different.
46 Valleyspotter: I used to see Balkan A320's (and previously Tu154's) in Harare, now that must have been a killer flight !
47 Atrude777: As of now, SWA no longer serves snack boxes, but rather snack trays. Where they walk around in a tray/box type thing and let you hand select the snac
48 NEMA: It doesnt really matter to me on it being a 737 or a 777. All that matters is the seat size/pitch. A cramped seat on a 737 is the same on a 747, 777
49 Ludavid777: Or try doing LAX-EZE on Copa... FLT SEGMENT CM 303 DPTR/ARVL LAX 112A PTY 1030A MEALS B EQP 738 ELPD 6.18 MILES 3010 **CONNECT TO** FLT SEGMENT CM
50 Planesarecool: Yes, basically. Not Egypt or Tunisia, but Greece, Turkey and the Balearic Islands are no go areas for most tour operators in the Winter period. For L
51 CrimsonNL: I'd rather have a larger plane on such a flight, but as said, if its cheap it will probably work, depends on the seats too I think, the worst seats I
52 Rikkus67: I can't understand the constant complaining about being in a narrow body on longer flights! I flew a one-stop from Calgary, Alberta, CANADA to Stolkh
53 CastropRauxel: Maybe it's just me who's shocked by this thread and the routes I read here, as I would usually choose LH/LX to europe in order to avoid narrow bodied
54 CrimsonNL: To me it's not necessarily the IFE, I'll bring my own entertainment, but I like the idea of a bigger space around me on long flights. I just want com
55 A342: Thanks for the correction. Great circle mapper still lists BVC's runway length as 1200m, so I considered it unlikely. In the meantime, it has been ex
56 KGAIflyer: I agree. I've done DTW-ANC on a clean 757 with no IFE and into a 180 knot headwind so that the trip took well over 6 hours. Not a bad trip considerin
57 Acabgd: I've had the misfortune of flying a sports charter BEG-ALA, with technical landing in ROV (fuel) on a JU B733. It was memorable, but not for a good re
59 SAAB900: In March 2007 my girlfriend & I booked a Tui holiday to The Gambia.The flight's were operated by Astraeus Manchester-Banjul.We were expecting the flig
60 DYflyer: Or even OSL-DXB . For me the IFE isn't really important. I bring my MP3-player and a good book or two. Bring some nice company or sleep some, and the
61 Astuteman: Flew from Manchester to Mombasa via Athens in an Air 2000 757 many (too many) years ago, and survived to tell the tale. Would there really be that mu
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