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2 Jet Blue Pilots Savagely Beat Cabbie  
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18825 times:

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/708057.html
From the Miami Herald....

2 Jet Blue pilots savagely beat cabbie, cops say
A ride from a strip club to a Subway restaurant turned ugly, cops say, when the passengers -- two pilots -- punched and kicked their cabbie.

Two Jet Blue pilots have been charged with two counts of theft and one of felony battery after allegedly attacking Miami cab driver Juan Martin over a $9 fare after a ride from a Fort Lauderdale strip club to a Subway restaurant, police said.

The cabbie suffered a concussion, a broken ankle and bruises to his elbow and knee.

Alison Eshelman, a spokeswoman for Jet Blue, declined to comment whether Smith and Leopard still worked for the airline after their arrests.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18836 times:

Not professional at all... Embarrassing. All over $9?!? On a pilot's salary? Sad...

Jeremy


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18825 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
Two Jet Blue pilots have been charged with two counts of theft and one of felony battery after allegedly attacking Miami cab driver Juan Martin over a $9 fare after a ride from a Fort Lauderdale strip club to a Subway restaurant, police said

Makes me wonder how much alcohol was consumed, and how close this event happened to check-in for the flight.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18807 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Not professional at all... Embarrassing. All over $9?!?

Maybe the cabbie made an insulting comment about one of the strippers that gave them a lap dance.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18791 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 2):
Makes me wonder how much alcohol was consumed, and how close this event happened to check-in for the flight.

Check-in for what flight?

JetBlue has a pilot base in the Miami area, they were not on a layover, and there is nothing being implied that this was before a flight.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18748 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
JetBlue has a pilot base in the Miami area, they were not on a layover, and there is nothing being implied that this was before a flight.

It can be read either way.. The line that they made about "tourists", could imply that either they do live in the area, or they know the area well as B6 has a wealth of layovers in FLL. Either way this is disgusting and horrible behavior for any professional, be it in an airline, or be it in any other profession.


User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18745 times:

There are usually 2 sides to a story. But it seems like the cab driver did nothing that could possibly excuse the attack he suffered. Hope he recovers quickly and appropriate consequences are meted out.

User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18726 times:

I sure hope they didn't fly the 7am flight to JFk that morning...


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18672 times:

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 5):
It can be read either way.. The line that they made about "tourists", could imply that either they do live in the area

Or the line "Pilots William Hart Smith, 40, and Brad Leopard, 38, both of Fort Lauderdale," can be read to show the fact that they actually are JetBlue pilots who live in South Florida.

If they were indeed on a layover or had a flight the next day, the media would be all over it. It is abundantly clear that the two pilots are Fort Lauderdale-based and not on a layover.

[Edited 2008-09-30 20:41:50]


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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18642 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
If they were indeed on a layover or had a flight the next day, the media would be all over it. It is abundantly clear that there two pilots are Fort Lauderdale-based and not on a layover.

Again, there are still parts left up in the air. For example when was their next scheduled flight to operate? I am sure more will come out as time goes by.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1989 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18623 times:

Just remember that old expression, "When you pay peanuts, you get Monkeys!"

User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18480 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Not professional at all... Embarrassing. All over $9?!? On a pilot's salary? Sad...

Jeremy

Might want to do some research on the salary of jetblue pilots, ha!  Smile


User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

I think that this happening is horrible. But there is a piece here that I think is missing. Were they in uniform representing the company at the time or were they 2 friends who were outside of work (i.e. not on a trip, and yes I know they are from FLL but they could have been in a layover where their stop that night was FLL) in their private life being in a social situation where something happened? Is it known if alchohol was involved?

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18352 times:



Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 13):
But there is a piece here that I think is missing. Were they in uniform representing the company at the time or were they 2 friends who were outside of work (i.e. not on a trip, and yes I know they are from FLL but they could have been in a layover where their stop that night was FLL) in their private life being in a social situation where something happened?

They were/are employees of B6 on or off duty they represent the airline. The public cares less if they were operating a flight or not, all they care about is the fact that they were B6 employees that caused such a childish scene.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18199 times:



Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 13):
Is it known if alchohol was involved?

Does that excuse them?


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18178 times:



Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 13):
Were they in uniform representing the company at the time or were they 2 friends who were outside of work (

I thought most airlines prohibited their piltots from even entering a bar while wearing a pilot's uniform. I seriously doubt they were wearing their uniforms when this incident happened, but they still represent the airline when they are in public regardless or whether they are wearing their uniforms.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4985 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18074 times:



Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 15):
Does that excuse them?

Absolutely not. I was actually shocked to read this. I do not think it is fair that they announce the airline they worked for though. I mean, really, is there also a need to announce their professions too? What they did was beyond pathetic, but I question the reasoning for this to make it that far into the media. Whatever happened to confidentiality, and investigating a crime? And why does a company for that matter take the brunt of an employees actions off the clock? We never hear about a McDonalds manager making the news for beating someone up.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 17989 times:

Is this what "jetting" means?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Those billboards around Boston make me laugh.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 17821 times:

Here's another article:

http://cbs4.com/local/cabbie.killer.cab.2.829074.html

"There's a lot more to this story than you know about," he said. "Both pilots cooperated fully with police when they found out about the allegations. And they provided their own information." Lyons said cab driver Juan Martin has an "anger problem" and used pepper spray on the pilots."



"I went to defend myself. THEN they hit me in the mouth," said Martin."

Why does one "go to defend himself" before being physically attacked? Was the cabbie perhaps the first to make physical contact when he chased after the two? What happened in the cab? When was pepper spray really first used - before or after the assault? I'm not defending anyone, but my point is there are too many unanswered questions to make judgment.

Also, with all the media attention on the fact they are pilots, is this supposed to mean this is more acceptable if they worked at WalMart?

[Edited 2008-10-01 00:29:16]


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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17498 times:
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 16):
I mean, really, is there also a need to announce their professions too?

I agree. If you catch the news and you see something like this they don't say "John Doe is a chemist and Bob Smith is a maintenance specialist." It is still a disgrace to the airline but my goodness.
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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17345 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
Why does one "go to defend himself" before being physically attacked?

Defend himself from theft of service which is what these pilotswere doing by not paying the fare.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17238 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
Also, with all the media attention on the fact they are pilots, is this supposed to mean this is more acceptable if they worked at WalMart?

Not at all, but pilots are viewed to be very "responsible" people, and should act more judiciously than they are reported to have. Even if the cabbie did something provocative, there was no reason to fear him so much as to beat him senseless 2-on-1 like that.



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User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17081 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 16):
Absolutely not. I was actually shocked to read this. I do not think it is fair that they announce the airline they worked for though. I mean, really, is there also a need to announce their professions too? What they did was beyond pathetic, but I question the reasoning for this to make it that far into the media. Whatever happened to confidentiality, and investigating a crime? And why does a company for that matter take the brunt of an employees actions off the clock? We never hear about a McDonalds manager making the news for beating someone up.

In some professions you have to maintain a behaviour, even in your free time off work, that refelects well on that profession. If a congressman beats a cab driver while on vacation, he is still a congressman who beat up a cab driver. Same here. Pilots have to maintain a higher standard of morals than regular people. Those two sunk low and I hope they get fired.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17003 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 22):
If a congressman beats a cab driver while on vacation

Or a Senator drunk that kills a lady, he is still serving or more likely blowing hot air. Not a good example.
Look at Pac Man Jones and what he done in a Las Vegas strip club. He still has a job. These pilots should not be fired. Suspended yed fired no.

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16605 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 22):
Pilots have to maintain a higher standard of morals than regular people.

You're not serious. "Regular people"? Their morals or standards should be that of a human being. I don't understand why people put pilots on pedestals. My dad once told me that when he flew for Continental back in the late 90s, there was this one guy that he regularly flew with and according to him, and many others, he was a total nut job. How he got hired was beyond him. He would always chit chat about how many F/As he screwed, how many female passengers he had seduced with his uniform, etc. Trust me, there is slim out there and a lot of them wear a funny looking hat with a tie and shoulder boards (no offense to Navy officers Big grin ).



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25 Apodino : Whether or not they were off duty, because of the background checks and the security procedures, the Pilots would be required by law to report this Ar
26 MAC26000 : Just let the courts firgue it out, there is always two sides to a story and somewhere in between is the truth.
27 F9Animal : Not only that, but to announce the company they work for? I mean, seriously! I suspect that the media has a craving to attack Jet Blue's integrity ev
28 Typhaerion : It would be no more acceptable if they were unemployed. But that is not the point. I am not saying it is fair, but they are different standards for d
29 VS030 : What disappointments to their families and their company! I think that they should, but that's just my opinion.
30 Bobnwa : Are you implying that Jet Blue does not pay well compared to other airlines?If so you would be wrong.
31 727forever : Or defend themselves from being ripped off from a crooked cabbie who then sprayed them with pepper spray and subsequently defended themselves from a
32 TSRA : Boy for being "savagely beaten and kicked 15-20 times in the face" this cab driver looks good. I don't know about you, but if I get hit or kicked in t
33 Spacecadet : So your argument here is that these pilots beat up this cab driver by accident? Because, you know, there's quite an important distinction between the
34 StuckInCA : It's OK to wonder about it though. Who cares. Sort of, yeah. Pilots, as they often remind us on this board, have a lot of responsibility and are prof
35 Ptugarin : I hate to see B6 getting bad publicity because of this story, the fact that these two people were pilots and also working for B6 is irrelevant. They c
36 StuckInCA : If they're found guilty, it would be the end of their job at lots of companies.
37 Naritaflyer : It is very relevant that they were pilots and working for JetBlue. If those two were cashiers at Wal-Mart it would not have been a story, and rightfu
38 YYZatcboy : None Taken. And yes our uniforms are very good for that sort of thing . Actually the worst thing about flying in uniform is everyone thinks you're a
39 Ptugarin : Wrong-doing should be equally looked down upon, and equally punished, whether you are a king, B6 pilots of a Walmart cashier. Unfortunately, this inc
40 StuckInCA : Not directly, but it is reflective of the level of personnel which make up the company. Obviously, not all B6 employees are the same, but these two p
41 Heathrow : This is absoloutely horrible! Really takes the foccus away from the mooning incident though! I don't think B6 would handle this internally even if it
42 KELPkid : If the felony charges stick, they lose their FAA ATP licenses...
43 Typhaerion : Should be but isn't. I am not arguing with you, but reality is. If you or I got a DUI, we would lose our license and in most cases go to jail. But lo
44 Luv2cattlecall : That was my first thought...any time salary comes up, we're reminded that they're the angels keeping 150+ pax alive and that someone controlling a $2
45 Burnsie28 : On a jetblue pilots salary... maybe Technically I don't believe they can be fired, especially since this is something that happened outside of the wo
46 Salukipilot : ...all the while being compensated and respected LESS than regular people... ...I see what you did there...
47 JETnyc : I hope they dont leave the cockpit and beat up the pssngrs. Whew!
48 Post contains links Luv2cattlecall : http://www.willflyforfood.cc/Payscales/JetBluePay.htm (from http://blog.sustainablemiddleclass.com/?cat=112) Math away Why do you think they have all
49 Malaysia : Maybe the got furious cause They wanted only to spend 5 for a Foot-Long!
50 Salukipilot : Okay please tell me you A.netters dont actually believe this... Let me break it down for you... Example of how pilots get paid: A320 3rd yr FO: $61/h
51 StuckInCA : Why do you think that? Is that something written into their contract? Hell, in California a teacher can lose a credential (meaning entire career) for
52 YYZatcboy : That and it's kind of hard to fly a plane from Jail. (at least AFIK B6 don't have the pilots flying from the ground)
53 A333TS : I don’t know how something like that is related to the airline industry at all. Two friends got drunk and got into it with a cabdriver, don’t see
54 JOEYCAPPS : Who flippin' cares what they do for an occupation or who they work for? They did what they did, and its over with. I love the sarcasm and attempted ja
55 HapppyLandings : Regardless of who the aggressor was... The pilots refused to pay the fare, and then they assaulted the hell out of this guy in a gang bang style beati
56 Salukipilot : Hell...what would YOU do for a footlong? Speaking of which I havent had one of those in about a month...mmmmm
57 JOEYCAPPS : You would make the media companies proud. You didn't have any kind of sign showing you were joking, so I'll just assume you didnt read the article. I
58 FLY2LIM : California teachers can lose their credentials for getting a felony in their record. Not all DUIs end up as felonies. I'm a California teacher, by th
59 HapppyLandings : You're right, I watched the news feed instead. I was pretty sure that the survielence footage showed them in subway ordering some food.... Maybe my e
60 Seatback : As someone who works in Corporate Communications I thought I would weigh in. First, you as an employee are always representing your employer, off and
61 MikeygFLL : being from the FLL area myself it wouldnt suprise me if the cabbie did start it. i have had my fare share with the cabbies in the area and sometimes t
62 ChiGB1973 : I thought B6 is the darling of the media. They don't get a lot of good publicity via the media? I have heard them mentioned in good ways on the natio
63 Falstaff : I assumed of you paid peanuts you would get elephants. If they were auto mechanics or plumbers we would have heard nothing about this. Seems to be th
64 Aviateur : Not to change the subject, or to in any manner excuse what allegedly happened, but just how much do you think JetBlue pilots make?
65 Malaysia : I just had a meatball one today
66 InTheSky74 : There is apparently a lot more to this story... we'll see how it pans out I guess. The CBS4 Miami report stated that the cabbie pepper sprayed them fi
67 Post contains links DingDong : If this is accurate, somewhere in the $40K-$125K range, mostly $40K-$80K: http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pay_rates/jet_blue.html Not a lot of mone
68 Superfly : I hate to read of stories like this. I hope the cabbie recovers. Perhaps JetBlue can boast about having tough pilots. Nah, never mind.
69 Pliersinsight : So a lack of good judgment doesn't EVER carry over to their professional lives then? Nearly middle aged guys out boozing and hitting the strippers fo
70 DTWAGENT : I hope it is not over just $9.00. That is just down right stupid..if that be the case. Chuck
71 Francoflier : Can't be repeated enough.... It's just media frenzy around anything the concerns the airlines, meaning heavily biased info. Of course many just take
72 Arffguy : Probably what really happened. Smartest post I have read here. In my county, not all strip clubs allow alcohol. If somebody pepper sprays me and I ha
73 FLY2LIM : Fair enough, a "friend" of mine has been to strip clubs in the FLL area and most/all serve alcohol. FLY2LIM
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