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User currently offlineEarlyNFF From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

ACG Air Cargo Germany GmbH (www.acg.aero) ist eine deutsche Frachtfluggesellschaft mit Sitz am Flughafen Hahn (Hunsrück) und nimmt dort demnächst den Flugbetrieb auf.

Wir sind spezialisiert auf den weltweiten Luftfrachttransport und starten mit B747-400F zunächst im asiatischen Raum, VAE, Russland und Türkei. Die weitere Entwicklung sieht eine Expansion nach Nord- und Südamerika vor.

from their website:
Cargo airline soon to start ops from Hahn, Germany

Does anybody know anything about them, who is behind, where do they get their B744f´s from, how many etc. etc.??

[Edited 2008-10-01 12:14:56]

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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6668 times:

Never heard about this company and plans to operate 744Fs based in Germany. Nice to hear. The livery (if it becomes reality as drawn) is boring and lacks design quality (sadly that is also the case of the new German 777F operator founded by DHL and LH). The website doesn´t look too professional, too, if you ask me. It appears as if they plan to operate converted 744 pax aircraft, so the sources are most likely SQ, ANA or UA, maybe Eva Air).

User currently offlineFFlorida From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Looks like direct competition for Cargo Belgium, right?

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6549 times:



Quoting FFlorida (Reply 2):
Looks like direct competition for Cargo Belgium, right?

Yes, that immiadetely crossed my mind, too. Same owners, or part owners maybe?


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

very ambitious plans in a competive environment with an aircraft too large, the wrong cost base and no special service marks giving them a leading edge over the competition.

Looking at the job offers, they must be crazy to overstaff from the beginnung. Hoiw will they compete against SU or Air bridge Cargo or MSN with A300s and make money out of it?



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6439 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 1):
The livery (if it becomes reality as drawn) is boring and lacks design quality

while we can poke fun at the livery, and I did with the new Aloha Cargo, it's still just a cargo airline, and dos not matter in the end.


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6406 times:
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If it is a coincidence (and I think it is), it's a poor choice of name. The DHL division that is in charge of selling available cargo space on DHL flights is known as ACG, at http://acg.dhl.com/


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6270 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
while we can poke fun at the livery, and I did with the new Aloha Cargo, it's still just a cargo airline, and dos not matter in the end.

That Cargo Airline liveries are worse than pax airline schemes isn´t true. TNT as a larger, Cargo 360 as a small company (now bought by Southern) are proof of it.
A professional visual performance is very important, don´t underestimate it. If the graphics look like made by a village two-men agency it won´t raise much trust in the ability of the company by potential clients used to a higher standard.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Great if true, I always have asked myself why Germany as the biggest export nation has no second freight carrier except for LH Cargo operating widebodies as in other countries have plenty of smaller freight airlines even operating 747Fs.


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6191 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Great if true, I always have asked myself why Germany as the biggest export nation has no second freight

simple answer. The market does not support 2 carriers. Second - there is no "German" market, there is the European and the World market. LH could not sustain on the German market alone. I haven't got the share of the German freight on LCAG passenger wise it is about a third, the other 2/3 are drawn from all over.

Next - freight goes in bellies as wqell, connectivity is a key factor, something this new venturee cannot offer.

Next - we have Cargolux, Martinair SU Cargo and Air Bridge cargo as established carriers all pilfering the German market. Plus the Asian carriers like CV etc with regular flights.

Any newcomer will have a tough time in a market szenariuo where freight sometimes is sold for 0 plus fuel and security fees.

Conclusion - I would not invest a penny in this venture. The thumb goes down.

BTW - color schemes really are no marketing factors for cargoi. The rate per kilo and the availability are, nothing else.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6167 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
BTW - color schemes really are no marketing factors for cargoi. The rate per kilo and the availability are, nothing else.

Not the colourscheme as such, I meant a professional presentation as a whole, and colourscheme is part of it. If I would have 3 companies to choose from, and one of them presents itself as if coming from the woods, I would check more thorough if they are able to do the job requested. It is a matter of professionality. Compare it to attend a formal presentation and one presenter is wearing a Boss suit with Chelsea Boots, the other sandals with white socks to a bordeaux C&A suit from early 90s. I doubt you would think the latter is a professional, do you? First glance is not everything, but its important, also in Cargo, I´m sure.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

What happened to German Cargo was it a Lufthansa subsidiary?

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Basically yes, but the prodcut has to convince and this company is selling air. That is the most difficult article to sell in the world and the rate per kilo plus the availability is important.,

Nothing else. The company, if it is professionally set up will not do the sales themselves anyhow. They must have a GSA, without a GSA they are doomed even if they try to start..



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