Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2457 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 22322 times:
Several airlines from Islamic countries do not serve alcohol, particularly Saudia, Kuwait Airways, and Iran Air. It's mainly because alcohol is against the Islamic religion, and because of that, often illegal in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Pilot_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 22325 times:
PIA--Pakistan International Airlines
Safe Air International--doesn't operate currently
Shaheen Air International
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Royal Brunei Airways
Ariana Afghanistan--doesn't operate currently
A Few others as well.
Airbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22316 times:
Islam forbids strictly its followers from drinking anything alcoholic, let alone serving it. Although most Islamic dominated countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Brunei and Iran banned the serving of alcohols onboard the airlines, certain Islamic countries airlines do serve alcohols onboard. Examples EK, MH, GA and maybe a few others. They can serve alcohol onboard but provided the alcoholic drinks must be served by a non-Muslim. Hope this helps.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22305 times:
BA does serve alcohol on flights to Saudi, but "the bar closes" once the a/c is over Saudi airspace.
Alcohol is not neccesarily banned COMPLETELY in Muslim countries. There are various venues where the consumption of alcohol in Saudi, for example, is legal.
They include private compounds for the foreign workers, any Embassy from a non-Muslim country (the territory is regarded as belonging to the country which the embassy represents), and private beaches for the employees of foreign workers.
Women are additionally allowed to unveil themselves within these compounds/areas.
But to drink alcohol etc. in public is a blatant violation of the law in Saudi, and would also seriously offend Muslims.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 22288 times:
Yes, BUT-you obviously shouldn't make a big deal about it.
I am not certain whether there is a specific law which bans all Jewish people from entering KSA (probably not, actually), but they definitely won't let you in with Israeli stamps in your passport. As I also have an Argentine passport, I wriggled my way out of that one fairly easily!
You also need a legit reason for entering "The Kingdom". (Business trip/family/citizen). As my Dad works out there, obviously they have to let me in with a residence permit.
Otherwise, there are Tour Companies which specialise in going round all the various ruins etc, and you could join one of those.
I wear a pendant around my neck with the Star of David. I remove this on a friend's advice, every time I fly back to Saudi-it is not a big deal really, but it might get me into a hassle at immigration, and I don't like taking risks.
It is quite a fascinating country if you ever get to come out here, and the locals are most hospitable.
If you find it too much of a hassle to try and "get in", you might want to consider the UAE, which has similar scenery, but no problems with people of Jewish faith.
Hope that helped.
It is a difficult country to get into, but fascinating.
n.b. Just for some background info, I've also been christened!!! Fortunately, my parents never forced me into any religion, and as a consequence I have respect for all of them. Went to Israel this Xmas-also a fascinating country!!
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 22271 times:
Take it easy, I was only trying to provide some info to those who might be interested!!
I don't know what SV's policy is, I only mentioned what BA's was.
Perhaps it is not strictly legal as regards the compounds, but that doesn't affect the embassies or military compounds. I'm not a legal expert, I'll admit that.
Can I name you one venue that doesn't include those mentioned? No, but that wasn't my point, and in any case, I did say that it was NOT allowed in public. And apart from that, I'm sure you'll agree that there are a lot of contradictions regarding alcohol consumption etc. in KSA.....
My point was, that alcohol IS consumed in KSA, just not in public!!
And finally, yes, I do know of Jews who have entered the country:
2) My mother
3) My sister
4) My cousins
5) At least 3 others we know, employed in KSA, and living in our compound, are Jewish. (Though they do not practise the religion).
Ambasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 22261 times:
Sorry for jumping on you, its late and I'm half way through a nice bottle of local wine.
Now I am intrigued, what religion did you enter on the entry card?
The last Jewish guy that I met in Saudi was an executive with Tower Air, they actually went as far as increasing the security around his hotel during his stay.
I have never heard of crews having problems, but with the Saudi paranoia I doubt that Jewish tourists will be allowed for a while.
As for the booze, I have a couple of friends who are "guests of the country" at the moment for drink driving outside a consulate. If they are lucky they will just get one-way tickets out, if not they will be lashed.
As for contradictions regarding drinking, I think that I would go further and call it sheer hypocrisy.