NUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18206 times:
You might have problems in some very Islamic countries. But then again the pilots have to drink something.
P.S. don't bother asking LH about a direct route from Munich to Milwaukee where you get to eat an unlimited amount of bratwurst and drink beer by the gallon. It's been suggested.
NUair
"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18116 times:
BA and Virgin are very generous indeed. Aer Lingus are crazy, I flew a 40 minute flight from LHR to DUB and they came around pouring from 70cl bottles. Everyone was wasted then they got off the plane.
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2451 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18106 times:
Several airlines from Islamic countries do not serve alcohol, particularly Saudia, Kuwait Airways, and Iran Air. It's mainly because alcohol is against the Islamic religion, and because of that, often illegal in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Pilot_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18109 times:
PIA--Pakistan International Airlines
Aero Asia
Bhoja Air
Safe Air International--doesn't operate currently
Shaheen Air International
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Kuwait Airways
Royal Brunei Airways
Ariana Afghanistan--doesn't operate currently
Iran Air
A Few others as well.
Swake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18102 times:
I remember flying them BRU-DUB on Good Friday. When asked what to drink they offered me 2 bottles of red wine. Delirious!! Till I deboarded and found out that all pubs were closed for .. Yeah right
Western737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18101 times:
I have a feeling that in the future, all airlines in america are going to be non-alcohol beverages due to increase of air rage passengers. If indeed, blame on those immature passengers.
Airbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18100 times:
Yes,
Islam forbids strictly its followers from drinking anything alcoholic, let alone serving it. Although most Islamic dominated countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Brunei and Iran banned the serving of alcohols onboard the airlines, certain Islamic countries airlines do serve alcohols onboard. Examples EK, MH, GA and maybe a few others. They can serve alcohol onboard but provided the alcoholic drinks must be served by a non-Muslim. Hope this helps.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 18089 times:
BA does serve alcohol on flights to Saudi, but "the bar closes" once the a/c is over Saudi airspace.
Alcohol is not neccesarily banned COMPLETELY in Muslim countries. There are various venues where the consumption of alcohol in Saudi, for example, is legal.
They include private compounds for the foreign workers, any Embassy from a non-Muslim country (the territory is regarded as belonging to the country which the embassy represents), and private beaches for the employees of foreign workers.
Women are additionally allowed to unveil themselves within these compounds/areas.
But to drink alcohol etc. in public is a blatant violation of the law in Saudi, and would also seriously offend Muslims.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18072 times:
Shalom!
Yes, BUT-you obviously shouldn't make a big deal about it.
I am not certain whether there is a specific law which bans all Jewish people from entering KSA (probably not, actually), but they definitely won't let you in with Israeli stamps in your passport. As I also have an Argentine passport, I wriggled my way out of that one fairly easily!
You also need a legit reason for entering "The Kingdom". (Business trip/family/citizen). As my Dad works out there, obviously they have to let me in with a residence permit.
Otherwise, there are Tour Companies which specialise in going round all the various ruins etc, and you could join one of those.
I wear a pendant around my neck with the Star of David. I remove this on a friend's advice, every time I fly back to Saudi-it is not a big deal really, but it might get me into a hassle at immigration, and I don't like taking risks.
It is quite a fascinating country if you ever get to come out here, and the locals are most hospitable.
If you find it too much of a hassle to try and "get in", you might want to consider the UAE, which has similar scenery, but no problems with people of Jewish faith.
Hope that helped.
It is a difficult country to get into, but fascinating.
n.b. Just for some background info, I've also been christened!!! Fortunately, my parents never forced me into any religion, and as a consequence I have respect for all of them. Went to Israel this Xmas-also a fascinating country!!
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18055 times:
Hi Ambasaid
Take it easy, I was only trying to provide some info to those who might be interested!!
I don't know what SV's policy is, I only mentioned what BA's was.
Perhaps it is not strictly legal as regards the compounds, but that doesn't affect the embassies or military compounds. I'm not a legal expert, I'll admit that.
Can I name you one venue that doesn't include those mentioned? No, but that wasn't my point, and in any case, I did say that it was NOT allowed in public. And apart from that, I'm sure you'll agree that there are a lot of contradictions regarding alcohol consumption etc. in KSA.....
My point was, that alcohol IS consumed in KSA, just not in public!!
And finally, yes, I do know of Jews who have entered the country:
1) Me
2) My mother
3) My sister
4) My cousins
5) At least 3 others we know, employed in KSA, and living in our compound, are Jewish. (Though they do not practise the religion).
Ambasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18045 times:
Capt.Picard,
Sorry for jumping on you, its late and I'm half way through a nice bottle of local wine.
Now I am intrigued, what religion did you enter on the entry card?
The last Jewish guy that I met in Saudi was an executive with Tower Air, they actually went as far as increasing the security around his hotel during his stay.
I have never heard of crews having problems, but with the Saudi paranoia I doubt that Jewish tourists will be allowed for a while.
As for the booze, I have a couple of friends who are "guests of the country" at the moment for drink driving outside a consulate. If they are lucky they will just get one-way tickets out, if not they will be lashed.
As for contradictions regarding drinking, I think that I would go further and call it sheer hypocrisy.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18033 times:
According to "Jewish Law", yes that is the case.
Either way, I don't align myself to any one religious belief.
As I am not a religious person, I honestly don't really care how the system works. But as I said, my parents taught me tolerance, and I therefore respect other people's beliefs.
I was christened, because that was the wish of my Catholic grandparents. My Jewish grandparents graciously accepted that, and I am most grateful for having such a tolerant family on either side.
What this has got to do with Civil Aviation is beyond me, but I would quite happily fly with SV etc, as I quite like Apple juice on the rocks...
Cheers
25 Capt.Picard: Morecy- I honestly hope not!!!!!!!!!
26 Morecy: as long as your passport doesn't say Capt. Picard, you should be OK
27 SJC>SFO: Hey to anyone who has flown El Al do you know if they let minors drink? Muhahaha.... the fifteen hour flight is gonna be hell without a little of gran
28 TWA_PHX: To: Western737 ...if US Airlines do ban Alcohol on US FLights..this will only be a continuation of the fact that Americans have less and less libertie
29 Chepos: SV isnt going to hire native born Saudi flight attendants right?????? And women flying Saudia lets say from JFK-Jeddah and they are none Muslim must t
30 Capt.Picard: Chepos, I've never flown with SV, so I really couldn't answer your question. However, it isn't apprently neccesary for the women to veil themselves un
31 Ambasaid: Chepos, SV don't hire local female FA's, they only hire local females to work in their medical clinic. There is no requirement for anyone to wear a ve
32 Chepos: Thank You for answering my question . But SV was planning to start hiring native born saudi FA's but they had to be accompanied with a male realtive a
33 SJC>SFO: Haha thanks Picard.... and..... well its a little late but Shabbat Shalom anyway.......
34 Ambasaid: Chepos, Dont believe all that you read in the newspapers. Saudi society will not accept local women as FA's. This occupation is definitely not conside
35 747firstclass: I doubt very very seriously if the US airlines will ever go alcohol free. It generates too much cash for the airlines. Above all the first class and b
36 Chepos: Ambasaid I did not read it in the newspapers I read it at Airliners Daily news it was official news . They were actually considering it but the conser
37 CPDC10-30: Capt.Picard, thank you very much for enlightening us on the situation in KSA for foreigners. It is very interesting.
38 QantasAirways: Sorry if I repeat something already said - because I haven't read them all... Most Asian airlines will serve for free, some will not though, A few yea
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