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Air Pacific Ends YVR In November  
User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Air Pacific has announced that they will be ending their twice weekly YVR service via HNL in November citing rising fuel costs and continual losses on the route. My question is how are they performing on their other routes such as LAX-NAN and will see other routes being cut.

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User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=102356
Last flight will be 29 November. Air Pacific will be offering some kind of partnership with AS, which in my opinion is better. I would much rather deal with LAX and fly B744 to NAN, than have to go YVR - HNL - NAN on B738

[Edited 2008-10-01 22:34:51]

User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

they are doing ok NAN/LAX/NAN but problem seems to be getting seats from Australia to NAN to connect.

Sounds like they should move aircraft around, such as putting 763 on NAN/LAX/NAN a few days a week maybe up to 3 (& go back to daily) & freeing up 744 for more seats Australia/Fiji.

The 2 new NAN/OOL/NAN from 1DEC will help, but surely still have free 737's after 2 x HNL/YVR/HNL are dropped per week.

FJ just had a record month in Aug of arrivals from Australia.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Not surprising, but sad for YVR to lose another airline. They announced a while back that they were going to codeshare with Harmony on the HNL - YVR leg, HQ went belly up and they continued flying with their own metal. There is a small Fijian population in Vancouver, but I guess not enough to warrant these flights.


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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4903 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 3):
Not surprising, but sad for YVR to lose another airline. They announced a while back that they were going to codeshare with Harmony on the HNL - YVR leg, HQ went belly up and they continued flying with their own metal. There is a small Fijian population in Vancouver, but I guess not enough to warrant these flights.

this will actually help FJ loads NAN/LAX/NAN as FJ will use AS or someone else LAX/YVR/LAX.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4709 times:
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I think it would be cool for AS to have another South Pacific partner in their Mileage Plan program. I think they could benefit from having AS as a partner, along with their existing relationship with AA.

User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4623 times:

I wonder if Alaska could pull off HNL-YVR successfully ...

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6112 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

I thought they had pulled out in 2007.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
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Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 6):
I wonder if Alaska could pull off HNL-YVR successfully ...

I don't think AS would want to go up against AC, WS and Air Transat on that route.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4412 times:



Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
I thought they had pulled out in 2007.

They announced it but didnt do it because

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 3):
They announced a while back that they were going to codeshare with Harmony on the HNL - YVR leg, HQ went belly up and they continued flying with their own metal.




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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4297 times:



Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 6):
I wonder if Alaska could pull off HNL-YVR successfully ...

Well, none of the 4 U.S. carriers that have attempted to operate YVR-HNL in the past have been successful and all dropped the route after only a couple of years.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4214 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 6):
I wonder if Alaska could pull off HNL-YVR successfully ...

Well, none of the 4 U.S. carriers that have attempted to operate YVR-HNL in the past have been successful and all dropped the route after only a couple of years.

could that be because 737's were used rather than wide bodies ?


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

What is FJ going to do with the 737 now?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12343 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 12):
What is FJ going to do with the 737 now?

NAN-OOL-NAN


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4115 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 12):
What is FJ going to do with the 737 now?

they announced 10 days ago 2 x NAN/OOL/NAN from 1 Dec which are proving really popular, partly as they are advertising low lead in fares with full page ads in BNE papers. (BNE/OOLby road is about 75 minutes drive, except in peak hour).

FYI-OOL is positioning itself as a low cost airport. QF pulled out last month, by JQ has been incresing services into OOL.

With FJ flying OOL/NAN twice a week, it means OOL pax can fly OOL/NAN/LAX with very good connections.

With 737's pulled off HNL/YVR/HNL, there must be more spare 737 time, so expect some more NAN/OZ service announcements or we think they should swap aircraft, eg. put a 744 into BNE on Sun or into MEL instead of 763 & put 763 on NAN/LAX & that way they could aim to go daily NAN/LAX/NAN.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4106 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 6):
I wonder if Alaska could pull off HNL-YVR successfully ...

Well, none of the 4 U.S. carriers that have attempted to operate YVR-HNL in the past have been successful and all dropped the route after only a couple of years.

could that be because 737's were used rather than wide bodies ?

Continental and Western both used DC-10s when they briefly served YVR-HNL in the 1980s.

WestJet uses the 737 YVR-HNL and they don't have a reputation of maintainng service very long on unprofitable routes.

I think the major problem U.S. carriers have when trying to serve YVR-HNL is their lack of a feeder network from other points in Canada.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3914 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):
Continental and Western both used DC-10s when they briefly served YVR-HNL in the 1980s.

WestJet uses the 737 YVR-HNL and they don't have a reputation of maintainng service very long on unprofitable routes.

I think the major problem U.S. carriers have when trying to serve YVR-HNL is their lack of a feeder network from other points in Canada.

WS are still an LCC aren't they ?

AC uses wide bodies & Canada 3000 used to use 752's & A332's.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3689 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 12):
What is FJ going to do with the 737 now?

They will most likely beef up their Australia and New Zealand flights.

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 16):
AC uses wide bodies & Canada 3000 used to use 752's & A332's.

I think Air Transat uses 752 equipment between YVR and HNL.

AQ tried YVR-HNL with 73G's for a while. Is it possible that the Canadians are more willing to fly on their national carriers than US carriers to Hawaii?


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3639 times:
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How is the NAN to HNL traffic? With the HNL-YVR sector discontinued, does that mean NAN to HNL will be axed as well?

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
I think Air Transat uses 752 equipment between YVR and HNL.

Nope, Air Transat hasn't been to HNL for a while.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5361 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3630 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):

With FJ flying OOL/NAN twice a week, it means OOL pax can fly OOL/NAN/LAX with very good connections.

LAX-NAN-OOL has an almost 8 hour connection, OOL-NAN-LAX is 75 mins.

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):
With 737's pulled off HNL/YVR/HNL, there must be more spare 737 time, so expect some more NAN/OZ service announcements or we think they should swap aircraft, eg. put a 744 into BNE on Sun or into MEL instead of 763 & put 763 on NAN/LAX & that way they could aim to go daily NAN/LAX/NAN.

I don't disagree but the 744s have PTVs and are popular whereas the 763 doesn't. The 763 could do 3x weekly MEL-NAN-LAX but wouldn't do alot else maybe an AKL or BNE rotation during the day and then a day off before going back to LAX. I do wonder if they will keep NRT at 3x weekly but the 744 is probably to big to go there with the current market conditions they might struggle to fill it.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5361 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3624 times:



Quoting Je89_w (Reply 18):
How is the NAN to HNL traffic? With the HNL-YVR sector discontinued, does that mean NAN to HNL will be axed as well?

I'm not sure how the traffic is but they will continue to offer NAN-HNL in the short term it seems.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12343 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
Quoting JFK69 (Reply 12):
What is FJ going to do with the 737 now?

They will most likely beef up their Australia and New Zealand flights.

As REALDEAL and I have already said, FJ have added a NAN-OOL-NAN flight using a B738 thanks to FJ axing HNL-YVR-HNL


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3613 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 19):
LAX-NAN-OOL has an almost 8 hour connection, OOL-NAN-LAX is 75 mins.

So Australians have a multiday stopover on way home - can think of lot worse things to be doing !!!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12343 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3588 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 22):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 19):
LAX-NAN-OOL has an almost 8 hour connection, OOL-NAN-LAX is 75 mins.

So Australians have a multiday stopover on way home - can think of lot worse things to be doing !!!

I can think of better things.....going via AKL on NZ and getting home sooner instead of waiting at NAN for 8 hours.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3586 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
I can think of better things.....going via AKL on NZ and getting home sooner instead of waiting at NAN for 8 hours.

actually currently if u fly NZ from OOL to LAX & baxk same way, you have roughly 5 hours to kill at AKL in each direction.

I'd rather fly FJ anyday !!!


25 Bluewave 707 : Air Transat used L-1011s for their YVR-HNL runs. They may have subbed an A310 ... With FJ pulling out, guess that's another client the former AQ contr
26 DavidByrne : Southbound it's only 1h 45 or so - where do you get 5 hours from?
27 REALDEAL : what's going on at FJ ? So YVR with FJ metal ends 28 Nov, but can't get a fare beyond that using AS over LAX ???
28 777ER : Well sadly for you, the '5 hour' wait won't be around any longer as NZ is re-timing the OOL-AKL flights to better connect with LAX. Where did you get
29 Threepoint : You may well prefer that option, but most people do not. LAX is widely regarded as a user-unfriendly airport, and the flying times when dog-legging t
30 REALDEAL : the way things are going, that's all anyone will be looking at !!!
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