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Could A 757 Fly LGA-LAX Nonstop?  
User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3944 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12510 times:
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I think it could, with the load of fuel it would take when flying from JFK to the West Coast, and only a light load of pax and cargo because the runways in LGA are shorter than they are in JFK.
So here is an idea which would be interesting for business travelers in New York and Los Angeles, something American should consider doing: reconfigure a few 757's (ten aircraft at the most) to First Class only, meant only for business people paying first class fare, and assign those aircraft on a daily LGA-LAX leaving early in the morning Monday through Friday, and flying back LAX-LGA as a red eye, Sunday evening through Thursday evening, so that business people can travel comfortably and get a whole day of work when they reach LGA or LAX in the morning, and they can leave LAX after a whole day of work. That would make the aircraft lighter with enough fuel to fly the leg nonstop. Of course if this concept becomes reality, a Saturday night stay would not be required for those business people.
Do you think that would work? I think it may be a good idea.

Ben Soriano


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

Yes. Not only can it, but it has.

But it's illegal except for on Saturdays (or as a charter, IIRC) due to the LGA perimeter rule.



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User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

I used to fly MGM Grand Air, which was the same concept. It didn't last long.

User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12417 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):
Do you think that would work? I think it may be a good idea.

It would work, especially with LGA's proximity to Manhattan, but LGA would need a subway connection first.

Also, as stated above, it can't ever happen because of the perimeter rule except Saturdays.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

Delta ran LGA-LAX on the 757 a few years ago (of course, it was Saturday only...). DL also did LGA-SLC at the time; they do LGA to some Colorado ski resorts in the winter as well.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12404 times:



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):
It would work, especially with LGA's proximity to Manhattan, but LGA would need a subway connection first.

Premium pax will be taking taxis and hired cars, not subways. So if it's all premium, no big deal.

But EWR is as close or closer to a lot of the premium traffic in Manhattan and North Jersey than LGA, yet it only supports standard 2-class transcons, while JFK supports 3-class transcons by two carriers, with many more frequencies a day.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12367 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
they do LGA to some Colorado ski resorts in the winter as well.

Only one, Steamboat Springs; while AA does LaGuardia-Vail.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12324 times:

CO used to fly EWR-SNA with a 757-200, and SNA's runways are about 2,000 ft shorter than LGA's. Today CO flies EWR-SNA with 737-700s.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12263 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
CO used to fly EWR-SNA with a 757-200, and SNA's runways are about 2,000 ft shorter than LGA's. Today CO flies EWR-SNA with 737-700s.

AA used to fly EWR-SNA as well, back in the day. With a 757.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12214 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
AA used to fly EWR-SNA as well, back in the day. With a 757.

this is shocking to me! when was this?  Wow!



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User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12181 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
AA used to fly EWR-SNA as well, back in the day. With a 757.

this is shocking to me! when was this? Wow!

I know I flew this route for sure in 1994, and several times other than that. I only know 1994 for sure as I flew to EWR to celebrate my great-grandmother's 90th brithday and my 9th brithday. Crazy being born on the same day as someone else!

Brian
CO @ LAX



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12159 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
this is shocking to me! when was this?  

back in the late 80s AA had a big operation at EWR. They flew to most every LA airport from there (ONT, SNA, LGB and LAX, not BUR), and made a big deal about it with ads all over the airport and billboards around the New York Area. The 757 really opened a lot of routes and AA was taking on a bunch of them.

but over time, AA pared back EWR considerably as CO grew there. UA also pared down EWR a great deal as well.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12124 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
back in the late 80s AA had a big operation at EWR. They flew to most every LA airport from there (ONT, SNA, LGB and LAX, not BUR), and made a big deal about it with ads all over the airport and billboards around the New York Area. The 757 really opened a lot of routes and AA was taking on a bunch of them.

but over time, AA pared back EWR considerably as CO grew there. UA also pared down EWR a great deal as well.

I knew UA and also US had big operations at EWR but AA I always thought was pretty moderate. What else did they serve besides the LA airports. I remember reading a story in from 1990 that AA was going to expand up to 9 gates at EWR but I don't think that ever happened. Also LHR for years but anything else?

UA also had a regional presence at EWR during the 1990s. Very interesting stuff: BTV, MDT, BOS, ETC.



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11808 times:

I know Donald Trump does it with a 727-23 on occasion  Smile


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11589 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
this is shocking to me! when was this?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
back in the late 80s AA had a big operation at EWR. They flew to most every LA airport from there (ONT, SNA, LGB and LAX, not BUR), and made a big deal about it with ads all over the airport and billboards around the New York Area. The 757 really opened a lot of routes and AA was taking on a bunch of them.

I'm sorry but none of that happened, I have every Port Authority flight guide going back to prior to AA receiving their first 757s and never has AA operated anything other than LAX on the West Coast from EWR. As an aviation enthiusiast I have been following local flight schedules since I was 14 in 1989, my Mom would drive me about once a month up to EWR so I could run into Terminal B and pick up a Port Authority flight guide and there was a store by the B-2 concourse that sold OAG's which I would also pick up.

AA was never as large as UAL at EWR back in the day, the extent of AA's EWR service going back to the early 1980s has been..

EWR-
LAX, ORD, MIA, SJU, SDQ, DFW, LHR, Quebec City, Vail, BNA, RDU, STL, BOS



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11438 times:

There's a video on YouTube (which I can't find now because my internet access at my school prohibits video of any kind) of a United 757 taking off from SAN...airborne and clear before the Commuter Terminal.

You could load a 757 completely full with passengers, luggage, and cargo, schedule it for the hottiest, muggiest, and nastiest day in New York, and the 757 wouldn't even blink an eye taking off. It's an overpowered sled-rocket that leaves its weight-restricted competition in the dust.

The ONLY restriction is the government-imposed "perimeter rule".



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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11346 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
There's a video on YouTube (which I can't find now because my internet access at my school prohibits video of any kind) of a United 757 taking off from SAN...airborne and clear before the Commuter Terminal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq8hiH3KJg8
Probably cleared the ground after the third set of piano keys...Very nice.



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11177 times:



Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):
American should consider doing: reconfigure a few 757's (ten aircraft at the most) to First Class only, meant only for business people paying first class fare, and assign those aircraft on a daily LGA-LAX leaving early in the morning Monday through Friday, and flying back LAX-LGA as a red eye, Sunday evening through Thursday evening, so that business people can travel comfortably and get a whole day of work when they reach LGA or LAX in the morning, and they can leave LAX after a whole day of work.

Why do you need ten aircraft to run a daily rotation that takes 13-14 hours, tops?


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

TZ used ot fly SFO-LGA and LAX-LGA on weekends nonstop, if I am not mistaken.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

Again 7,000ft of runway is plenty, CO flies Bristol UK-EWR nonstop with a 757-200. That route is 900 miles longer than LGA-LAX, and the runway at Bristol is 400ft shorter than LGA's runway.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10534 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
That route is 900 miles longer than LGA-LAX, and the runway at Bristol is 400ft shorter than LGA's runway.

OTOH, BRS has solid ground under the entire runway. I'm not sure whether that changes the equation at all...



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10127 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
my Mom would drive me about once a month up to EWR so I could run into Terminal B and pick up a Port Authority flight guide

Hahahaha. Me too!  Smile

Thanks Mom and Dad!


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10050 times:
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Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
You could load a 757 completely full with passengers, luggage, and cargo, schedule it for the hottiest, muggiest, and nastiest day in New York, and the 757 wouldn't even blink an eye taking off. It's an overpowered sled-rocket that leaves its weight-restricted competition in the dust.

I'll take your muggy, hot New York, and raise you a Chicago Midway.

the 757 can rocket out of that place (someone in another thread described Midway as a square aircraft carrier; that's not far from the truth).

- litz


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9977 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
OTOH, BRS has solid ground under the entire runway. I'm not sure whether that changes the equation at all...

I think the issue with the pilings supporting the end of the runway over Flushing Bay is not weight of an aircraft on take off, rather it's the impact on landings. Think about it, a fully loaded 757-200 can't weigh more than a lightly loaded L-1011, A300, DC-10 which all flew from LGA for years. I flew on a Eastern Airlines L-1011 during a Christmas time Snowstorm in 1989, taking off from LGA in an aircraft as large as an L-1011 during near blizzard conditions is a bit nerve wracking even for the heartiest aviation enthusiasts.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9809 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
I think the issue with the pilings supporting the end of the runway over Flushing Bay is not weight of an aircraft on take off, rather it's the impact on landings.

I suspect you're right, but again, I don't know. The ZFW of a 764 does exceed MTOW of a 752, but I don't know if the operation of aircraft of that weight is restricted at all.



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25 Tbird : TWA use to do JFK-SNA with a 757 back in the day.
26 PanAm747 : I'll see your Chicago Midway and raise you a Phoenix or Las Vegas during an August heatwave!!
27 ABQopsHP : I recall WA having nonstop 727s from SLC-LGA and back, they were weight restricted in both directions on a regular basis. JD CRPXE
28 Timz : Offhand I'm voting with STT757. AA did fly SNA-JFK, tho. Western hoped to fly 733s LGA-SLC in 1986, but supposedly it never actually happened (tho it
29 CalCaptRet : My 1st IOE on the 757 was EWR-SAN departing from rwy29 due to wind and wx. No problem flying to west coast with a full load. Also, flew a trans atlant
30 Viscount724 : I believe the LGA perimiter rule as introduced before 1986. How would Western have been able to operate LGA-SLC, except on Saturday? As far as I know
31 Timz : Somebody quoted something saying the present rule dates from 1984, but maybe WA hoped to get it overturned or something-- in any case the 8/86 OAG sho
32 ABQopsHP : Come to think of it. It was SLC-JFK and back (my bad). According to my 1987 Feb and March WA schedules, the LGA flight stoped in BOS. JD CRPXE
33 Post contains links Pliersinsight : Here is a great case giving the history of the Perimter Rule at LGA: "Since the 1950's, the Port Authority has had a "perimeter rule" in effect at LaG
34 VHECA : But isn't the poster of this thread asking that being a dedicated Business-Class like airline service using the 757 might be an exception to this rul
35 American 767 : I said ten aircraft AT THE MOST. Of course I know ten aircraft is more than enough for one single daily flight Monday through Friday. Every once in a
36 Tommy767 : I think for a brief time they have a few feeder flights on AA Eagle to Hartford in the mid-1980s. I remember reading that in a timetable somewhere.
37 Evan767 : Yes a 757 can fly LGA-LAX nonstop. I flew this route in either 2005 or 2006 on an ex-song Delta 757. That's 199 pax, and the flight was 100% full beca
38 NewYorkCityBoi : Many people might think LGA is better than EWR or JFK because it is closer to manhattan but from my experience I dont think it is. -The only way to tr
39 Post contains links STT757 : Sorry for accuracy sake I have to call you out on this, as per NJ Transit's online schedules New York Penn-Newark Airport rail link station is betwee
40 NewYorkCityBoi : yes.. but still better than stuck in the unpredictable traffic that (many times) could be over an hour to get to LGA
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