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Transaero Close To Ordering A350's Or A380's..  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7022 times:

Based on an article of the German aviation site "Aero",the Russian company is expecting offers from EADS covering six large-aircraft in the A350-1000 or A380-800 range..
http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsid=7334


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

Well they have 10 747 of which most are -300's I think Those have over 450 seats. I saw an imcomplete one in Moscow a few weeks ago. Boeing 777-300ER would be a logical alternative too IMO.

http://www.transaero.ru/img/roofbanner/roof_banner_en.jpg


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Transaero has always been my bet for the first Russian A380 operator. If they can fill their 747s, why not the big boy, too? That will allow them to give pax an even more luxurious flight and will lower operating cost significantly. Would be great.

User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6888 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 1):
Boeing 777-300ER would be a logical alternative too IMO.

can you really expect an order for Boeing? Russia and the US are very very angry at eachother
and do not expect a dramatic change in the short term..

you can be sure they will order from Airbus if they really intend to order anything.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

What about their commitment they have signed with Airbus , covering both A320 and A330 ?

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

I would not count out the A388 but suspect they may go A350-10 - either way - great news if they order it. Can you imagine the size of those huge billboard titles on an A388? I like their livery actually.

I'd like to see them upgrade their LHR flight to something a little bigger than the 734 too.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6798 times:



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 3):
can you really expect an order for Boeing? Russia and the US are very very angry at eachother
and do not expect a dramatic change in the short term..

you can be sure they will order from Airbus if they really intend to order anything.

Somehow it seems like political hypocritism display by the two countries will not severely affect commercial relationships. US is the leader in IT and software production, can't expect every country that is a bit cross with US to abandon Microsoft, can we. Neither would US vendors consider it wise to refuse business with the alleged "axis of evil". Boeing is a well international enterprise, so if anything , decision to pick Airbus instead shall not be based on politics.

SU and S7 still have the 22 and 15 orders respectively for the 787, I think...



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User currently offlineCabinboy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6742 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
I'd like to see them upgrade their LHR flight to something a little bigger than the 734 too.

Actually LHR has seen the 767 from Transaero quite a bit recently..


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

I found the following link in English.  

Russia's Transaero in talks with Airbus on purchase of 5-6 A350 or A380.

http://www.interfax.com/3/432810/news.aspx

MOSCOW. Oct 1 (Interfax) - Russian airline Transaero is holding
negotiations with Airbus on the acquisition of A350 or A380 aircraft.
"We are currently waiting for preferential offers from Airbus on
the price, delivery dates and servicing. We're talking about 5-6
planes," Transaero general director Olga Pleshakova told the Vedomosti
newspaper in an interview.
While the company's fleet renovation program for the period until
2012 includes only Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, Transaero does not intend to
buy them. "For now, we are inclined to believe that the economy of the
A350 looks better than that of the B787," she said.


Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Based on an article of the German aviation site "Aero",the Russian company is expecting offers from EADS covering six large-aircraft in the A350-1000 or A380-800 range..

This would be a major boost to either programs. Hopefully they will opt to go for both the A380 and A350 in the future. I believe that both planes would complement each other perfectly.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 1):
Boeing 777-300ER would be a logical alternative too

Correct.   

Quoting FCKC (Reply 4):
What about their commitment they have signed with Airbus , covering both A320 and A330 ?

This never materialised. It was also believed that these planes would be leased. Would be great if someone could clarify this point for us.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 4):
No mention of the 748i whatsoever (despite them being a 747 operator), so Transaero likely joined the club of premium airlines which have come to the conclusion this plane is dead upon arrival, not even worth looking at in competitive tenders against the A350-1000 and A380-800.

Correct.   

The longer Boeing takes to get the 748 in the air, the longer Airbus will have to deliver more A380's and further improve the economics. The earliest I would expect the first 748i to be delivered is from late 2010 onwards, and very likely to slip into 2011.

The likeliness of the 748F being delivered in 2009 in becoming more and more doubtful.

Regards,
Wings

[Edited 2008-10-02 03:28:06]


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 3):
can you really expect an order for Boeing? Russia and the US are very very angry at eachother
and do not expect a dramatic change in the short term..



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
If the 787 isn't good enough against the A350XWB, then likely the 777 won't either.

We better warn them quickly  



IMO the most likely A350, the -1000 seems too far away to continue operating the 747-300 fleet..

[Edited 2008-10-02 03:24:43]

User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6560 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):
IMO the most likely A350, the -1000 seems too far away to continue operating the 747-300 fleet..

They mention taking 5 or 6 aircraft. Kingfisher's 5 x A340 look like they are being sold to other carriers. I wonder if Kingfisher still want delivery of their 5 x A380. IIRC their order for 5 x A380 was due to start being delivered 2010. Might these end up with Transaero?


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6513 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
"For now, we are inclined to believe that the economy of the
A350 looks better than that of the B787," she said.

If they are sure of this, the 777 is out, as its economy is inferior to the 787.
I hope for A380s, or 748Is. Transaero´s holiday 747s are reported to have good loads, so they might fill A380s as well. The majority of Transaeros 747s are Classics, and the 742s I do not expect to fly longer than 2 or 3 years more as they are already now among the examples with the highest flight hours clocked ever. If they order A380s now, they will get them in time for retirement of the 743s they have.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

They have said once that they are interested in the 747-8 as well maybe they will do something similar as LH and operate them side by side  Smile


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6429 times:


Transaero plans to receive six Boeing 777, 747 and 767 planes before the end of this year, which would bring the company's total fleet to 43 planes. The fleet is to be expanded to 60 planes over the next two years.

The company is currently replacing the B747-200, whose average age is about 20 years, with the new B747-400. "We will decommission all five B747-200 planes in a year and a half," she said.


http://www.interfax.com/3/432810/news.aspx


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

Aren't they replacing their 742s with secondhand 744s? I guess the A388 would be the logical next step up in 10 years time...albeit an expensive one.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6301 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):
albeit an expensive one.

No Airbus is desperate about its slow selling problematic behemoth, they'll offer a price Aerostar just can't refuse.  Wink


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6283 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):
Aren't they replacing their 742s with secondhand 744s?

A second ex-SAA 744 is currently being prepared for Transaero.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5949 times:



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 3):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 1):
Boeing 777-300ER would be a logical alternative too IMO.

can you really expect an order for Boeing? Russia and the US are very very angry at eachother
and do not expect a dramatic change in the short term..

you can be sure they will order from Airbus if they really intend to order anything.

Actually, Transaero is a Russian Airline. But, is owned by Israelis of Russian origin.

But, This airline makes money because Russian airline tickets are very expensive. Plus, they own a monopoly on some very lucrative flights, Like Moscow-Tel Aviv aside from EL AL they are the only company allowed to fly the route, The 777 is devoted to this route.

Plus, They are the only Russian company that is allowed to fly from Moscow-Almaty & Astana. Which also provides them with a hefty amount of profit. But, aside from that what makes them money aside of Charter flights?


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4701 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
No Airbus is desperate about its slow selling problematic behemoth, they'll offer a price Aerostar just can't refuse. Wink

Isn't that what they actually did say? "We are currently waiting for preferential offers from Airbus on the price, delivery dates and servicing."


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Is there any aircraft currently in production Transaero is not "officially considering"? Well, besides IL96.
Hugely diverse fleet - especially considering different engine types.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=10%2F3%2F2008

Transaero has ordered eight A330-200s and four A320s

Uh? There's no mention of this on the Airbus website or O&D spreadsheet. Are these to be leased? News to me!  Confused


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Guys, it's a waste of time discussing what Transaero is going to do.
It is completely impossible to figure out its business model.

I would advise to stay away from their charters - with 420 seats in 747-200 - it is hardly for humans.
Their 767-200 and -300 are better in terms of layout as they're used on schedule and charter flights

I'd say it's a good airline overall - but a little bit odd in terms of plans, statements, empty declarations and foggy plans.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4012 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 21):
Guys, it's a waste of time discussing what Transaero is going to do.
It is completely impossible to figure out its business model.

I would advise to stay away from their charters - with 420 seats in 747-200 - it is hardly for humans.
Their 767-200 and -300 are better in terms of layout as they're used on schedule and charter flights

I'd say it's a good airline overall - but a little bit odd in terms of plans, statements, empty declarations and foggy plans.

Look guys everyone needs to understand:

1-This is the only airline in the Russian Federation that was an actual startup from the beginning and not an airline that started when there planes were left over from the
Soviet Union. Like, S7, Aeroflot, AirUnion. This airline took upon massive amount of debt out of pocket before it could brake even, Carriers like S7 & AirUnion were profitable from first day of operation because the TU154, TU134 & IL 86s these airline operated were almost brand new.

Example: At the end of 1991 my father was offered a six year old TU154 for $100'000 USD.
If he would of bought that one plane and started an airline in Russia he would of made a decent amount of money depending on the route flown. Russia even today has very expensive plane tickets, But imagine how expensive they were in 1992 when 90% of the population never been on an Airplane.

2- Transaero seems to be a very safe airline as out of all the airlines of the Former Soviet Union they are probably the only ones to never have an accident.

3-It seems to me there Business Plan works on a Route to Route basis. Each Plane is dedicated to One or Two Routes and That Flight either makes money or it does not, if it does not make money then they back out of flying the route.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

At least their fleet seems to make some sense now, as opposed to just a few years ago. And yeah, airfares are really high. DME-KBP with UN (they're the most expensive carrier in the market) is like ~ $400 round-trip w/advanced purchase. Some how, their 737s go out full. The cheapest carrier to Kiev, S7, is like $300 round-trip after taxes. And most markets like that are relatively expensive.

-A



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User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3892 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 22):
But imagine how expensive they were in 1992 when 90% of the population never been on an Airplane.

Is there a specific report these stats come from? I think if not, then it's a long shot stating that 90% in Russia never flew. How could Aeroflot of USSR have owned in excess of 2000 planes for long, medium and regional routes and not manage to cover more than 10% population?

Living in Far East I can testify that air travel is THE ONLY way to go places. No railroads in areas larger than many European countries, automotive roads are undeveloped or only suitable for large trucks, so airplanes were and still the only way you get abroad or anywhere towards the European part of Russia.

In 1992 tickets were still smth affordable to people... after that yes, prices went soaring. Right now certain routes are thrice the amount of average monthly wage, one way. Our local airline for instance adopted the bastard scheme of charging extra on profitable, high volume routes , by including surcharge to compensate expenses for volume regional routes.



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25 Bennett123 : Strange that they are considering the A350 and not B787 and A380 but not B747. It would be a good idea to determine seat number before deciding the su
26 Moo : Why is that strange? The A350 variant they are looking at is larger than any B787 variant currently in existence, and as such probably pushes the lar
27 CastropRauxel : I think so too. if I'm not mistaken, it's around 470? though it should be said that they have very few premium seats in those, still.... Where did th
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