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World's First 100% Renewable Jet Fuel Created  
User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

A nice step forward. The EERC, UND and DoD have developped a replacement to JP-8 using various crop oils and wastes greases.

http://www.undeerc.org/homearticle.aspx?id=95

The EERC fuel was produced under a $4.7 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). The Department of Defense is the largest consumer of petroleum in America, and securing a domestic fuel source is a key operational challenge for the military. Production is now under way to produce a large fuel sample for engine testing this fall.

[Edited 2008-10-02 07:28:41]

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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Makes me proud to go to The University of North Dakota. This school has done so much for the industry!

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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

At what cost could this product be if produced in large-scale?

Congratulations to them...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Oh, someone noticed that not having a 100% renewable fuel source was a national security issue?

Finally. Now, maybe they'd be interested in the vertical algae technology. The problem with crop oils is that they AREN'T renewable because they're so inefficient. It's fine if you're using waste grease that would just get thrown away, anyway, but the country just doesn't produce enough of that sort of stuff to power the whole military.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6472 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 2):
At what cost could this product be if produced in large-scale?

This is an Air Force project. Cost doesn't come into it. It would cost a lot more than normal jet fuel, but it can be produced at home, which is the goal of the Air Force programme.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6177 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
Quoting CAL764 (Reply 2):
At what cost could this product be if produced in large-scale?

This is an Air Force project. Cost doesn't come into it. It would cost a lot more than normal jet fuel, but it can be produced at home, which is the goal of the Air Force programme.

Oh, budget matters. The budgetary axe is about to fall in a huge way in the USA. The US has integrated defenses with Canada, and Canada has oil, viz a viz, it's not a huge threat, and so unless they can make sustainables more economically competitive.... I doubt we'll see them implemented on any scale of consequences.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6077 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):

Oh, budget matters. The budgetary axe is about to fall in a huge way in the USA. The US has integrated defenses with Canada, and Canada has oil, viz a viz, it's not a huge threat, and so unless they can make sustainables more economically competitive.... I doubt we'll see them implemented on any scale of consequences.

As we saw with ethanol, if making renewable jet fuel involves an agricultural feedstock, then it can have ramifications beyond cost, which is why algae is very promising - it doesn't necessarily displace other farm crops.


User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Random: I'm curious to find out how many current UND students are active members here...


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5792 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
This is an Air Force project. Cost doesn't come into it. It would cost a lot more than normal jet fuel, but it can be produced at home, which is the goal of the Air Force programme.

JP-8 is far more expensive than normal jet fuel...they need to be cost competitive, but not with Jet-A. It will make sense for the military long before it makes sense commercially.

Tom.


User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Finally. Now, maybe they'd be interested in the vertical algae technology. The problem with crop oils is that they AREN'T renewable because they're so inefficient. It's fine if you're using waste grease that would just get thrown away, anyway, but the country just doesn't produce enough of that sort of stuff to power the whole military.

I have to agree here. I would be very cautious about using fuels like this in an industry wide scale. Renewable doesn't mean it is perfect. I like how they used waste grease in this though. There are already people talking about how crop based fuels have been a bad thing for our society. Farmers no longer producing food cause they can now produce fuel. In a time when we can't even feed our whole world, this could become a problem.

Enough with the doom and gloom, this is a giant step in the right direction and the parties involved deserve the praise.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5617 times:
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Air NZ announced several months back that they have done exactly this, and will shortly do a test flight using a B744. NZ is aiming by 2010 (from memory) to have all its domestic fleet operating on this 100% renewable fuel

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5227 times:
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Quoting Radarbeam (Thread starter):
A nice step forward. The EERC, UND and DoD have developped a replacement to JP-8 using various crop oils and wastes greases.

Finally! But what's up with the F-22 photo? This will be tested on the B-52 first!  Wink

Long term, strategically, the US must cut its trade deficit. While bio fuels are not ready today... the development must continue.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Finally. Now, maybe they'd be interested in the vertical algae technology.

Long term, oil from algae is my pick for the solution. The issue is that it must be synthesized in order to attain the same energy density as JP-8; the issue is that energy must be used to synthesize the fuel. But they'll figure it out.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
Oh, budget matters. The budgetary axe is about to fall in a huge way in the USA.

Already happening. All of the big defense contractors have seen programs cut, suspended, cut back, or postponed. Sadly, layoffs for many are on the horizon.  Sad

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User currently offlineStburke From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 5036 times:



Quoting Radarbeam (Thread starter):
Makes me proud to go to The University of North Dakota. This school has done so much for the industry!

Agreed. This University is not only outstanding for flying, but for management, ATC, and now this! Great time to be a Sioux.



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User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4664 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
This is an Air Force project.

Well put this thread in the military forum then and save discussion for when it can become commercial reality for civil aviation.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4644 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 11):
Long term, oil from algae is my pick for the solution.

Exactly. It doesn't effect food costs.



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4531 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 11):
Finally! But what's up with the F-22 photo? This will be tested on the B-52 first!

It was tested on an F-15 at the end of august/start sept. Maybe the journalists couldn't tell the difference btween a F/A-22 and F-15. To a non aviation person they are superficially the same.

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