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Horizon Announces Intention To Start Kpae Service  
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/200...ate.daily.flights.from.Paine.Field

Let's see how the surrounding communities respond to this despite how the people in these communities complain about the slog down to KSEA.


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
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It will be interesting to see what happens with QX and what routes they may select. I'm sure PDX is a given.

Does this also open the door for G4 flights at KPAE?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3071 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
It will be interesting to see what happens with QX and what routes they may select. I'm sure PDX is a given.

Does this also open the door for G4 flights at KPAE?

QX announced in the press release they intend to operate Q400s to Portland and Spokane.

It doesn't open the door for Allegiant since QX also needs to develop a lease agreement with the airport, terminal, etc. I think it was expected someone else would express interest in the airport.

But the problem is that it will allow commercial service opponents to point out and say "See Allegiant would only be the beginning". Watch for some tactics about how this shows there will be lots of flights added at PAE.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3032 times:
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Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 2):
It doesn't open the door for Allegiant since QX also needs to develop a lease agreement with the airport, terminal, etc. I think it was expected someone else would express interest in the airport.

I was referring to the following excerpt from the article:

"The decision comes after a 6-0 vote last month by the Everett City Council in favor of a resolution supporting scheduled commercial flights at Paine Field, the company said in a news release."

Paine Field actually has a building that could serve as the "terminal." But it's pretty small and probably too small for QX, let-alone G4. They could probably assemble some mobile units to serve as a terminal, similar to LGB.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

The old FBO is the building that Allegiant has had its eye on also but they would need to add some modular units to it even for their flights.

My guess this will all come down to how serious the airlines are.

I doubt the politics of the area will allow county money to be used to build a terminal, modular or not. (Fresno's modular FIS works well too) So G4 and QX will need to put their own money into some kind of terminal.

Can they agree to split the cost and work together? We'll have to see what happens.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

How long until WN pulls out of SEA and go to PAE entirely....like they tried to do with BFI.  stirthepot 


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
How long until WN pulls out of SEA and go to PAE entirely....like they tried to do with BFI.

I know...stirring the pot. I doubt WN would make that move considering the fact that PAE is much farther away from the Seattle Metro area than SEA. BFI was a whole different story because its closer proximity to downtown Seattle.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2744 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I know...stirring the pot. I doubt WN would make that move considering the fact that PAE is much farther away from the Seattle Metro area than SEA. BFI was a whole different story because its closer proximity to downtown Seattle.

That could actually potentially simplify some of WN's operations...they routinely ferry aircraft from SEA to PAE for maintenance (their west coast heavy maintenance is performed by a company at PAE).



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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2734 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
How long until WN pulls out of SEA and go to PAE entirely....like they tried to do with BFI.

They could build a new terminal with their own money as they were going to do at BFI but the NIMBY's in Snohomish County that probably complain about the I-5 slog to SEA are probably getting the protest signs ready like what the NIMBY's around KBED did when the original Shuttle America started service there back in the late '90s with those horribly noisy Dash-8-300's!



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
(their west coast heavy maintenance is performed by a company at PAE).

That would be BF Goodrich.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
That could actually potentially simplify some of WN's operations

The majority of the Seattle/Tacoma population is between Seattle and Tacoma. Sea-Tac Airport is actually pretty centralized.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
That would be BF Goodrich.

Actually it is ATS.


User currently offlineMattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
The majority of the Seattle/Tacoma population is between Seattle and Tacoma. Sea-Tac Airport is actually pretty centralized.

That's fine but there are 700,000 people in Snohomish County without an airport that allows commercial flights.



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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:



Quoting Mattcawby (Reply 11):
That's fine but there are 700,000 people in Snohomish County without an airport that allows commercial flights.

Any new service at PAE would also attract people from King County's more affluent northern
suburbs like Kirkland, Woodinville, and Redmond and even Bellevue with the construction that is going on the stretch of I-405 south of Bellevue to I-5 near Sea-Tac Airport for the next few years.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
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Quoting Mattcawby (Reply 11):
That's fine but there are 700,000 people in Snohomish County without an airport that allows commercial flights.

If anything, WN would supplement their SEA service by adding PAE flights. But that would mean a more substantial terminal infrastructure. The frequency in which WN would operate flights out of PAE would anger residence in the area.

I guess PAE could end up being a substantial contender in terms of commercial flights.


User currently offlineSkytaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

"In 2005, the county estimated building a terminal to accommodate two 70-passenger jets at once would cost about $3.2 million".
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/200...Air.has.eye.flights.to.Paine.Field

This seems too small for future growth.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

So I'm curious. If people in PAE want to keep scheduled service out of Everett but have to negotiate in good faith...what would be some disqualifying factors? What sort of case could they make that proves they can't and should not have scheduled service? I don't know much about how these things work so if anyone could elaborate that'd be great. Thanks.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Anybody catch this reader comment at the end of the article?

"As a taxpayer I would also like to see them pay a fee for losing the ability to expand aerospace manufacturing at Paine. If they come in to Paine we won’t have any room to build those tankers here. That means less tax revenue in the long run."

Clearly, this gentleman knows the ins and outs of Boeing ops at PAEBig grin

Anyways, it seems likely to me that we'll see QX operating PAE-PDX and PAE-GEG within a year. Any other commercial service to PAE is probably still up in the air, but I think it's going to be hard for NIMBYs in Snohomish County to put up much of a convincing argument against the demand for regional air service in the area.



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