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Air France Just Landed At Oakland  
User currently offlineVulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

SFO flight has diverted to Oakland. I was standing under the approach while it came in. I couldnt believe me eyes. Anyone have anymore info on why?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14557 times:



Quoting Vulindlela (Thread starter):

What aircraft type was it, for starters...



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User currently offlineMSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

It was Air France Flight 84 CDG-SFO it made a stop in OAK. Here is the link to flightaware http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20081002/0937Z/LFPG/KOAK

The aircraft is a 747-400.

[Edited 2008-10-02 14:11:40]

User currently offlineVulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

As of 3:05 it has now left Oakland off 29. Any reason from anyone?


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User currently offlineVulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14139 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20081002/2131Z/KOAK/KSFO

You don't see this very often.



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User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13761 times:

Flight left from Paris (CDG) at 10:52 AM Thu, Oct 2, 08

Flight arrived in Oakland (OAK) at 1:35 PM Thu, Oct 2, 08

Flight left from Oakland (OAK) at 2:58 PM Thu, Oct 2, 08

Flight arrived in San Francisco (SFO) at 3:25 PM Thu, Oct 2, 08

The Air France website gives no reason for the diversion except "operational difficulties."

Flight 83 back to Paris left SFO at 5:06 PM, instead of the scheduled time of 3:30. Not bad!

Does no one know the reason for the diversion?


User currently offlineLeothedog From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13139 times:

GPS run out of batteries?


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13090 times:
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Did SFO all of a sudden end up with a strong on-shore wind this afternoon? Sometimes, that causes diversions to OAK. I've seen that several times when I was working for DL at OAK.

User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

It was a fuel stop.

filler filler


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12867 times:



Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 8):
It was a fuel stop.

filler filler

Because on a flight from CDG-SFO you need to stop in OAK to get fuel to fly over a bay????



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User currently offlineSFOnative From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12582 times:



Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 8):
It was a fuel stop.

Was that an attempt at a joke?  Wink

The airports are literally less than 10 miles from each other.


User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12494 times:

Maybe there was a long line for SFO. *shrugs*


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12296 times:
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Quoting Reality (Reply 5):
The Air France website gives no reason for the diversion except "operational difficulties"

Couldn't tell the difference between SFO and OAK?? Left... No... Right... No...



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12147 times:

As poster said, they diverted due to congestion at SFO and were running low on fuel to safely hold in a pattern. OAK,SMF and LAX are the diversion airports for SFO.


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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

Well it was an attempt at a joke. How funny if I was right.

I'm from the Bay Area, so I know the proximity.  Wink


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11522 times:



Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
As poster said, they diverted due to congestion at SFO and were running low on fuel to safely hold in a pattern.

can't they just get a priority landing in such a case? Maybe by declaring a fuel emergency?

Another question, were pax allowed to deplane in OAK? 1.5 hours ground time seems quite much for a fuel stop...



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User currently offlineTF39 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

Betcha Al Davis will fire the pilots and not pay them for the flight from CDG to OAK.

User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11029 times:

My guess only okay ? Please don't flame me even if what I'm going to say sounds stupid. Just tell me I'm wrong then.


But the winds over the atlantic between FL330 and FL370 have been really strong these days. Around 70-80 kts, from 270 to 290.

I believe that the fuel plus the fact that SFO is a really busy airport with long lines made it hard to land there in the first place, so they diverted for a quick splash and dash, and maybe a new slot; and then landed in SFO.

I believe it's a reasonable explanation don't you think ? Maybe the fuel loaded in the plane was barely enough to cope with the wind at the time. And weather changes...

It would be very interesting to know both what kind of airplane it was and how it was loaded.

Again, that's the guess of an armchair pilot whose reference is only some "real-world weather updates" and a well know computer program. Therefore, not a very good guess.



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User currently offlineAirCatalonia From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10689 times:

I wonder if passengers are allowed to disembark at the alternative airport in these situations. Probably some of them were already heading to Oakland or that side of the bay so they would actually do them a favor by dropping them there.

[Edited 2008-10-03 03:01:32]

User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10413 times:

OAK to SFO. Man! That must have been one of the shortest flights ever on a 747-400. I'd have loved to have been on that segment. Takeoff and landing in only a half hour!

Did the pax disembark at OAK? I'm guessing they all did. But if it were me, I would have continued on to SFO...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10232 times:



Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 19):
OAK to SFO. Man! That must have been one of the shortest flights ever on a 747-400. I'd have loved to have been on that segment. Takeoff and landing in only a half hour!

And because you only need to fuel the A/C with about 3 gallons of fuel for a flight like that  Wink I bet she took off like a rocket.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8797 times:



Quoting AirCatalonia (Reply 18):
I wonder if passengers are allowed to disembark at the alternative airport in these situations. Probably some of them were already heading to Oakland or that side of the bay so they would actually do them a favor by dropping them there.

Maybe if they carried everything on with them, otherwise, no luggage.

It's doubtful it would be allowed. I am not too familiar with OAK, customs/immigration facilities?

We did allow some people off in BOS for religious reasons on a MDW-LGA flight. We were delayed at MDW for weather in NYC, held over NYC for 1.5 hours (we put on extra in prep), and still had to divert to BOS for fuel. We did give everyone the option of getting off in BOS, but they had to find their own way to NYC as we were still going. We left a short time later and held a little longer before getting in to LGA. Once we landed and cleared the runway, a tug had to drag us in. The nose gear would not turn the aircraft, just slid on the snow/ice.

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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

I notice that FlightAware shows the OAK-SFO trip at '1 minute.' Of course that isn't true, and I suspect that FlightAware only really 'counts' the time that a plane is really above a certain altitude.

Here in Manchester, New Hampshire there is a FedEx A300 that goes down to Boston (50 miles) each evening. FE 3719 often gets the '1 minute' treatment from FlightAware also.


User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7988 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 21):
"kinda sorta low fuel"

Excellent...
well, this light? Nooooo it's not that big of a deal!


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

Not too long back ago a BA B744 from LHR had to go-around at SFO due to traffic ahead and was told that they had to remain in the air for another approximately 16 minutes at the earlierst before the controllers can line them up again for landing due to the congestion. The captain didn't think he had enough onboard and he opted to go to OAK. They left OAK for SFO after the fuel and paperwork for SFO for what it is a very short flight!

So sometimes circumstances do force the exceptionals in!



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25 Wedgetail737 : If they needed it, OAK does have a FIS facility, although it's not all that great.
26 MAC26000 : I think it was because there was no FRENCH speakers in the SFO Tower
27 DIA : I think I've got that beat... I've seen AF1 fly from DIA (using the east-west Runway 26/7) down to Buckley Air Base...about a 9-mile flight "as-the-j
28 SJC4Me : SJC always gets left out of the diversion fun. We even have longer runways and less congestion than OAK too.
29 JettaKnight : Sounds like 'Diversion Envy' to me. You should probably talk to someone about that.
30 DocLightning : Back in 1997 when Chelsea Clinton came to Stanford, I watched them reposition AF1 from Moffet Field to SFO. I was up in the foothills over th and wat
31 DTWAGENT : FAA is reporting 58 minuted delays because of weather and low cielings. This is at their web site. So their may not be any room on the ground for this
32 SFOnative : Well, I couldn't think of anything funny to say myself, so may be I was a bit too harsh. Now if we were talking about reasons why a flight bound for
33 Reality : Well, you're about a day late. This flight was yesterday. Oct 2.. So it has nothing to do with today's weather.
34 Richierich : Except that the reason for landing at OAK was likely to take on fuel. As stated elsewhere, this flight would have almost certainly landed at OAK due
35 RFields5421 : Certainly, and here is what will happen. They are talking not to the SFO tower, but to approach control with 20 or 30 airplanes which will need to be
36 Litz : Wasn't it United that in years past staged a transcontinental San-Fran to New York flight, that started in Oakland, flew to S.F., and then did the eas
37 QANTAS077 : got a message from a mate that works at Oakland airport, he confirms that the a/c was indeed running short of fuel.
38 Comorin : I wonder how much additional fuel would have to be taken on at OAK for that trip?
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