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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 850 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

Of course having been in this business more than 25 years I should know not to listen to, or play into rumours. However this is one that I thought was odd, even though the source is not surprising. A First Officer (oh theres the shock!!!! humour intended) popped this one on me this morning in the jetway, that the RP (Chautauqua) crews had recieved a memo that stated there were options on opening up HNL sometime in Nov, under a code share agreement. Hint....UA?
My question is YV about to tank? Or is someone going after YV "GO!" in the Hawaii market?
In my research I saw where UA had invested in AQ, but now with AQ gone would UA use one of its partners in the market.
Ok flame away at me.
JD CRPXE


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11473 times:



Quoting ABQopsHP (Thread starter):
Hint....UA?

I have herd the same thing (RP in Hawaii), but the code share partner is not UA.

-m

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11373 times:
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Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 1):
Quoting ABQopsHP (Thread starter):
Hint....UA?

I have herd the same thing (RP in Hawaii), but the code share partner is not UA.

If its not UA, then I would be very surprised as UA is either the 2nd or 3rd largest carrier in mainland USA-Hawaii services. UA had invested heavily in AQ and needed AQ for the UA pax inter-island flights.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11335 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
needed AQ for the UA pax inter-island flights.

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...146556&highlight=United%20Airlines

UA already has announced it will be codesharing on HA

-m

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11296 times:
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Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 3):

Interesting news article. Will Star Alliance members be able to earn FF/airpoints on HA also, or just UA members?

If Shuttle America do come to Hawaii, then I think I would prefer to take the Ejets instead of HAs B717s


User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

S5 is looking for employees to transfer there, but there is no real info on this till about the 10th of Oct. I do know they are trying to get 22 flight attendants. On or around that day we will find out if the deal went through or not. From what I heard it is close to being a done deal to have a base there by the 15Nov08. I have the memo from the employee website but I will not post it.
This is what I think and please don't flame me. I think it will be an international carrier code share. This is why I think this and I don't know for sure if an American Carier can code share with an International CArrier. But the code share will not be UA or HA. Around the company people think it is DL, but I don't think so either. So who else could a code share go to. Really no one. There is also talk that we will be an independant carrier over there. HMMMM. Can that survive.


User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

I need to fix something. By an USA carrier and an internation I mean having the E70 painted in an international carrier colors flying around the island.

User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

It could be for USAirways. They do have flights to HNL 2 daily from PHX. Other then that I could see DL being the other carrier. Since NWA will be merging and they don't have a code share with anyone, I don't think. So it could be for either one of them.

chuck


User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

DTWAGENT......
I totally forgot about USAirways. That could be it. I really don't see Delta, but who knows. We will have to wait and see when the major announcement is made.


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11043 times:

If it was USAirways, they'd just use Republic planes...

Although I won't transfer, I'd be glad to go out there to start up the operation for a few months. As long as they pay my hotel bill!

But yes, this was posted on the company website as previously stated. Could be interesting...
Only one I came up with was doing inter-island to feed Alaska. Otherwise, I racked my brain and couldn't come up with anything else.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11040 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Interesting news article. Will Star Alliance members be able to earn FF/airpoints on HA also, or just UA members?

IME, the carrier operating the flight (metal) must be a partner with the airline program to which the frequent flier points are awarded. This is regardless of which airline's ticket stock (code share) issued the ticket.


User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10991 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 7):
It could be for USAirways. They do have flights to HNL 2 daily from PHX

LMAO..you can't mean all both of the flights could create an island HUB for Cactus!  Wow!



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3192 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10993 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 7):
It could be for USAirways. They do have flights to HNL 2 daily from PHX. Other then that I could see DL being the other carrier. Since NWA will be merging and they don't have a code share with anyone, I don't think. So it could be for either one of them.

US Airways, Delta, and Northwest all have frequent flyer relationships with Hawaiian.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 10938 times:

We have heard it is a joint agreement between Japan Airlines, Quantas, AA and oneworld to provide island feed to these carriers and as a one world affiliate carrier. If this is true, they will be operating under their own name, because of scope clauses.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 10935 times:
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What type aircraft would Shuttle America use in Hawaii? E-170's? CRJ-700's or CRJ-700's?

User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10848 times:
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Interesting...because after a recent trip to Hawaii I came back wondering how Hawaiian could provide enough seats for all of its code-share partners. I mean: Northwest, Continental, Delta, United, American...that's a lot of feed for one airline - in addition to all of its origin traffic and its own mainland feed.

User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

Even if the One World partners joined to support this, I for one, would be very doubtful that there would be sufficient connection traffic to support the airline. They'll need strong local resident support which would be difficult to achieve even if they were to come in with lower fares. HA and RP would react and we would have a blood bath once again.


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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10617 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
What type aircraft would Shuttle America use in Hawaii? E-170's? CRJ-700's or CRJ-700's?

Shuttle America only has 2 types of aircraft. E-170's and E-175's. The 175's are currently being delivered and placed with Delta. The E-170's could come from the few that are still looking for a home.


User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10588 times:



Quoting IndyWA (Reply 17):
Shuttle America only has 2 types of aircraft. E-170's and E-175's.

Its one type of aircraft. An ERJ-170-100 and an ERJ-170-200. Unless Southwest flies three types of aircraft...

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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10465 times:



Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 8):
I totally forgot about USAirways. That could be it. I really don't see Delta, but who knows. We will have to wait and see when the major announcement is made.

Why don't you see DL? ShuttleAmerica already flies for them .. and DL has a much bigger presence in HNL than US does.


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10360 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 18):

Wow -- talk about nit-picking...

For marketing appearances with Delta for S5, it's 2 different types.


User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10322 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 19):

I know they already fly for Delta. Don't forget United too.
It wouldn't be so undercover if it were either of them.
Now I heard a few months ago and this was a rumor that AA was close to a contract with Shuttle but AA pilots would fly the planes. However this isn't the case because S5 are looking for pilots to transfer there too.
I can't wait. I wanna know NOW...LOL...


User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Well, the memo said it would be a new codeshare, so that eliminates UA, AA, US, CO, YX, and DL. The uniforms for pilots will be more of an "island attire", so I guess we'll see.


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10203 times:

So the thought is either HA or AS.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10135 times:



Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 5):
From what I heard it is close to being a done deal to have a base there by the 15Nov08.

I've heard that date too. Its interesting, a very quick ramp up of service in only 60 days.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
25 Expressjet_erj : Ramp up isnt as quick as the YX flying. Also looks like it isnt HA, they just announced 4 "new" 717s. If it is HA looks like its a dead deal now.
26 HAL : We bought the 717's several months ago from a defunct Australian airline. They're just now about to come out of maintenance/paint/refurb and begin fl
27 777ER : The only airlines in Aussie operating the B717s were National Jet (not defunct), Jetstar (not defunct and the first airline that operated the B717s i
28 HNL-Jack : Can't seem to substantiat this apparent "rumor" anywhere and would agree that sixty days seems rather quick, unless the code share partner is providi
29 FATFlyer : The rumor is true it just seems to be hard for me to confirm who the players are, too many rumors leaving background noise. Apparently it would be 11
30 LAXintl : Here is the memo that some posters reference;
31 777ER : Interesting, thanks for confirming this good news. Only question that wasn't answered is, who is this deal with?
32 HAL : I believe the name was Impulse Airlines. Yes, they were a Qantas Link airline, but they were either absorbed into Qantas or morphed into Jetstar. Eit
33 777ER : Yes thats the name I was trying to think off. I knew their livery had a bird on it, but that didn't help
34 Pohakuloa : I would think that if this was going to work at all for any link for any airline whether DL or otherwise, said airline would need to have a need for
35 Wedgetail737 : AS could use the new proposed carrier S5 as a code-share partner. However, I thought I had read a thread here that AS was going to code-share with HA.
36 Hiloboy1 : Before 9/11 UA was to bring in their own aircraft and fly inter-island, so if I was a gambler I'd bet on UA. But also I've heard the rumor that its an
37 HNL-Jack : Don't think it's JO, but believe it certainly could be associated with his operation. There's lots of rumors circulating, but look for a local owner.
38 HNL-Jack : Looks like we'll get some clarification early this week. Rumors continue to indicate that it is local (HI) interests who will be bringing 2 E-170's fr
39 FoxBravo : Ok, here's a different angle. Everyone assuming that the mystery codeshare partner would be a mainland airline, but that doesn't make much sense given
40 HNL-Jack : Doubt it is HA for the very reason you stated. However, either Island Air or Molukele might be seeing this as a way to expand into jets? Perhaps a li
41 HAL : Absolutely not - unless it was being flown by our pilots. But adding another aircraft type would be a pretty stupid idea at this moment. Even if we d
42 LAXintl : I've heard that Mokulele Airlines (who is running as go! express) is somehow involved with this. Lets see. Should be interesting.
43 FATFlyer : That's been one of the rumors the past week. Like you said we'll see what happens.
44 Imapilotaz : Bill (Owner of Mokulele) dreams big, but never really follows through. He does have a very rich backer (I believe the largest construction contractor
45 Hiloboy1 : Imapilotaz, that makes a lot of sense, since its rumored that its a local startup; and btw just maybe by coincidence Go! is actually suppose to show a
46 FoxBravo : Thanks--that makes sense. Sounds pretty likely that it's related to go!. Will be interesting to hear more.
47 Apodino : I find it hard to believe that this has anything to do with Go!. For one thing, if Mesa files Chapter 11, then Republic would be in the position of b
48 HNL-Jack : Without a doubt, you're probably correct and I suspect that if it has anything to do with go!, it's probably with Mokulele who flys as go! Express. B
49 Ridgid727 : Did anyone buy the Aloha Airlines Name and Trademark in the Bakruptcy? I would imagine it would still have some value. If someone did purchase the rig
50 Bluewave 707 : With only 2 jets? I guess it's a start. This is news to me. Will have to check my sources around HNL. THe ERJ170 makes good sense, as it can hold more
51 Hiloboy1 : We here in Hilo are wondering if it isn't Pacific Air Cargo aka Aloha Cargo starting something. But also Bill Boyer is not real happy with Mesa, as he
52 HNL-Jack : I don't believe anyone purchased the brand.
53 Post contains links Oswegobag : Here is the answer we have all been waiting for: Mokulele it is! http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...WS01/810080381/1001/localnewsfront
54 FATFlyer : " target=_blank>http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...front Ah yes the media's favorite source "people familiar with" the deal.
55 Imapilotaz : It's accurate. It's a pretty dumb idea. Its bad enough for an airline that operates 150 Regional Jets in a contract environment to dump 50-seat RJs i
56 T prop : Mokulele flies to places for go that go can't or won't like MKK, LNY, HNM etc.. If they get these E 170's they sure are not going to fly them into LN
57 Bluewave 707 : Seems like the Republic / Mesa feud will cross the Pacific ... The ERJ-170 will outperform the CRJ200. Whatever happened to go!'s plan to use larger a
58 Avconsultant : Mesa is in survival mode, once you mix in the current credit markets Mesa is fighting to stay out of bankruptcy. Yesterday when they announced layoff
59 Pohakuloa : Many know that the state of esa and go! are fragile at best, but with this announcement and the deal and flights going through, could this be the nail
60 Post contains links Hellogorgeous : I believe Mokulele will acquire four Embraer 170s from Republic on lease. 4 unidentified aircraft are listed under Mokulele. http://registry.faa.gov/a
61 Imapilotaz : You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, Republic is going to lease 76 seat EMB-170s to Mokulele... who is a Part 135 carrier. Not to mention the fact that
62 HAL : I've got to agree with you. I've been quietly wondering about how Mokulele will get their 121 certificate in such a short timeframe. There is no way
63 Vfw614 : Isn't it possible that there is a much bigger picture here? I find it difficult to accept that the mainline carriers feel happy about being tied to HA
64 Aloha73G : They were all allied with HA before AQ's "demise" except for UA which was with AQ and DL which was with nobody. Both UA and DL have made agreements w
65 Vfw614 : I did not mean to say that a new entrant would primarily focus on feeding pax for mainline carriers. I could, though, imagine that the mainline carrie
66 Ny-jfk-lga : Isn't Hawaii like a 'sun destination' for the fall/winter season? I think it'd be a great idea to start in November. In the airline industry, anythin
67 Imapilotaz : Actually for an airline, the traffic picks up in late May and starts to pull back in Mid to Late August. There are a few strong weekends and weeks ar
68 Post contains links T prop : Maybe they'll try to do what Mahalo did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahalo_Air
69 NY-JFK-LGA : I see, I had no idea. I assumed somewhere like Hawaii would be busy almost all year. I guess we'll have to just wait and see how things will happen.
70 JetJeanes : mesa is in its final days,,,, and go will be gone....
71 LAXintl : As Imapilotaz states Hawaii has a definate summer bias. Below are Hawaii arrival visitor statistics for 2007 which highlight the seasonal swings. Jan
72 Imapilotaz : Woohoo, it looks like I know what Im talking about and wasnt just pulling numbers out of my... Dont confuse this issue too much. Sundays and Fridays
73 HelloGorgeous : By Order 2006-8-15, issued August 17, 2006 the DOT found Mokulele fit and issued it a certificate authorizing the carrier to engage in scheduled air
74 Imapilotaz : Yes that was for Part 135. Trust me on this. Part 121 is substantially more difficult to obtain. Any schmoe with some time and money can get a Part 1
75 JA : How many Republic 70 seaters are looking for a home?
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