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BA To Move ATL And TLS To LHR  
User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

From Summer 2009 ATL and TLS will move from LGW to LHR.

From January 2009 a new 1x weekly St Kitts will be launched, this will operate via ANU.

From Summer 2009 BA's LGW fleet will consist of 28 short haul aircraft and 8 longhaul aircraft.

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User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9758 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From Summer 2009 BA's LGW fleet will consist of 28 short haul aircraft and 8 longhaul aircraft.

But how does that compare to the current levels?!



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

No surprise about ATL coming up to Heathrow.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9639 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From January 2009 a new 1x weekly St Kitts will be launched, this will operate via ANU.

Wow, a very exotic destination!!!! Very nice addition to the network I have to say.

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From Summer 2009 ATL and TLS will move from LGW to LHR.

TLS is comes as a surprise to me, but good news in deed.
Is there a chance JER could get some flights out of LHR?

HeeBeeGB, where did u get these info from?



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Will U2 increase their LGW-TLS frequencies for summer 09?

I've noticed that currently some of BA's summer 08 overnighter's ie LGW-IBZ are now late afternoon rotations.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9573 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
I've noticed that currently some of BA's summer 08 overnighter's ie LGW-IBZ are now late afternoon rotations.

Malta is a late afternoon rotation. PFO is still a red eye.
According to BA Tunis, they are planning to move to a daily flight. We'll see.



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User currently offlineSpottingpete93 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9555 times:



Quoting 1peter (Reply 1):
Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From Summer 2009 BA's LGW fleet will consist of 28 short haul aircraft and 8 longhaul aircraft.

But how does that compare to the current levels?!

8 LONGHAUL! They currently only have 5 or 6 (I can't remember exactly) in Summer 2008 and one of them will be lost for the daily ATL service. One aircraft will be needed for the daily JFK that starts in winter 08/09 but that still potentially leaves upto 2 longhaul aircrafts worth of new routes for Summer 2009.....

Cooool.....I look forward to seeing more BA Longhaul out of Gatwick and hopefully some new routes too.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9535 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From Summer 2009 BA's LGW fleet will consist of 28 short haul aircraft and 8 longhaul aircraft.

Interesting, that's one more than this year. Given that Atlanta is leaving, but New York is starting, it should still be 7. A new route perhaps? Or being used for backup?

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From January 2009 a new 1x weekly St Kitts will be launched, this will operate via ANU.

No doubt making up for the loss of XL on the route.


User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9490 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
A new route perhaps?

Yes new long haul routes from LGW are being planned with the 8th 777.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
I've noticed that currently some of BA's summer 08 overnighter's ie LGW-IBZ are now late afternoon rotations.



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
Malta is a late afternoon rotation. PFO is still a red eye.

When are IBZ and MLA late afternoon rotations? For October both are keeping their respective 22:30 and 21:55 LGW departures with IBZ being dropped for winter 08 and MLA moving to late morning/lunchtime LGW departure for the winter.

Same with PFO, when you say still a red eye, when for? Red eye for October but when winter 08 schedule starts PFO goes to 6x weekly with a mix of 09:00 and 10:50 LGW departures.

Or at least thats what I think/thought!


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9400 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 8):
When are IBZ and MLA late afternoon rotations? For October both are keeping their respective 22:30 and 21:55 LGW departures with IBZ being dropped for winter 08 and MLA moving to late morning/lunchtime LGW departure for the winter.

Initial schedules for Summer 09 show that a lot of the overnight flights are moving to afternoon rotations:

LGW-PMI 1735 2050
PMI-LGW 2135 2255

LGW-IBZ 1645 2005
IBZ-LGW 2050 2215

LGW-MLA 1530 1945
MLA-LGW 2030 2245

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 8):
Yes new long haul routes from LGW are being planned with the 8th 777.

Good news. What I'm wondering though, is what they'll do with regards to aircraft configuration. Assuming they keep the GE aircraft at Gatwick, they will have four 4-class aircraft at Gatwick, with three operating daily JFK, BDA and BGI rotations. Where could the fourth operate, or will they reconfigure another into 3-class? I can't imagine any of the existing routes having a great demand for FIRST.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Perhaps there might be some LGW short haul new overnighter destinations for summer 09, perhaps to Greece and Turkey.

User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9331 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 8):
Yes new long haul routes from LGW are being planned with the 8th 777

Please let it be Vegas!



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9271 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Thread starter):
From Summer 2009 ATL and TLS will move from LGW to LHR.

About damn time! ATL was the last non-leisure route left at Gatwick!

Quoting Spottingpete93 (Reply 6):
8 LONGHAUL! They currently only have 5 or 6 (I can't remember exactly) in Summer 2008 and one of them will be lost for the daily ATL service. One aircraft will be needed for the daily JFK that starts in winter 08/09 but that still potentially leaves upto 2 longhaul aircrafts worth of new routes for Summer 2009.....

As of now, Summer 2009 from LGW looks like this:

MCO 10
BDA 7
BGI 7
JFK 7
TPA 5
KIN 3
UVF-POS 3
ANU-TAB 2
ANU-GND 1
ANU-SKB 1

So that's 46 weekly flights, needing almost 7 daily 777s. That leaves 1 extra aircraft, if they will be basing 8 @ LGW.


User currently offlineBAflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

What date does the summer schedule start?

I'm booked on ATL-LGW for the end of April so wondering if it is effective from then.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8919 times:



Quoting BAflyer (Reply 13):
What date does the summer schedule start?

I'm booked on ATL-LGW for the end of April so wondering if it is effective from then.

The Summer season will start on 29th March 2009, but that won't necessarily be when the route is switched. There appears to be nothing on the BA website about it, but I'm sure you'll find out soon enough if it is true.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

There were rumours last year that MLE could be added from LGW

How viable could this be?



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8730 times:



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 15):
There were rumours last year that MLE could be added from LGW

How viable could this be?

Would do ok in terms of loads but i think you'd need a four class service.

Someone mentioned LAS and i'm right behind that one. Fingers crossed.

Some other interesting ones to throw into the mix for discussion - SAN, SXM, DXB, CCS, GIG, HAV, CUN.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Well, it could also be an exciting route. MLE is an expensive holiday destination and I think it could sustain 1 or 2 weekly flights.


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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

This is the official BA internal communication:

Today, we are announcing some changes to our Gatwick schedule.

In Summer 2009, the Atlanta service will transfer to Heathrow and our longhaul fleet will reduce by one aircraft to make an operating total of seven Boeing 777’s. However in Winter 2009/2010 we will revert to eight aircraft, as we seek to introduce additional longhaul flying back into our Gatwick network. As yet, options on routes are still being evaluated and full details will be announced in due course.

In the interim, we are pleased to announce a new longhaul service from Gatwick with the start up of St. Kitts with effect from 10 Jan 2009. St. Kitts will be served once a week via Antigua.

Changes are also being made to our shorthaul network with the Toulouse service transferring to Heathrow.

In addition, our shorthaul fleet will reduce by three, giving us an operating fleet of 28 737s and A319s. As a result of this, there will be further route and frequency reductions. The reduction of approximately 15% departures versus Summer 2008 will have an impact on all of us.

Our manpower plans have been amended to accommodate these changes.
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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8606 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 18):
In addition, our shorthaul fleet will reduce by three, giving us an operating fleet of 28 737s and A319s. As a result of this, there will be further route and frequency reductions. The reduction of approximately 15% departures versus Summer 2008 will have an impact on all of us.

Our manpower plans have been amended to accommodate these changes.

Well that does not sound very positive  Sad



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

Great to see another LHR to ATL flight!!! I'm guessing the flight numbers would be shortened to 227 instead of the 2227? Didn't the four number flight numbers normally go with LGW and the three's with LHR?


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

In the meantime the BA share-price plunges another 7.5% -making it minus 15 % in five days....
I persist - BA's model is too much focussed on the North-Atlantic..



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8549 times:

Looks like they are determined to make the short haul fleet turn a profit at LGW by going for the most profitable flights I presume.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8532 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 20):
I'm guessing the flight numbers would be shortened to 227 instead of the 2227? Didn't the four number flight numbers normally go with LGW and the three's with LHR?

Yes. Exactly what they did with SAN back in the day... went from 2274 to 274. Hey BA... we here in SAN would love to see you back again with that spare 777!



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

When the A380s arrive at LHR could LGW long haul become all B744?

25 APYu : Apparently there is some sort of agreement with the Gatwick crews over the maximum length of sectors which can be worked under their current agreemen
26 Sketty222 : Damn, I was hoping to see some extra routes added this winter. I would definately like to see a LAS service to compete with VS on the route. I would
27 AIR MALTA : I don't see GIG going back to LGW. Is there a chance to see SEZ back?
28 Sketty222 : I meant the start of an additional flight rather than the transferring of the LHR one This was mentioned last year in the same sentence as MLe so who
29 AIR MALTA : That would be great. I might go to GIG next year and the 3 weekly LHR-GIG flights are not enough if you want flexibility.
30 LipeGIG : Hope BA got very good performance on this flight and decide to further increase the route. There's space on the bilateral for a daily service, howeve
31 Brilondon : This does not really surprise me. This only reinforces my view and I know I am not alone here that LHR is the preferred business airport.
32 FlyCaledonian : I can't really see BA starting a LGW-GIG service alongside LHR-GIG as it would not make sense to have a couple of frequencies to each London airport.
33 Tonystan : Well they are arriving as 3 class aircraft with crew rest facilities onboard so expect to find them on flights to China, Oz, Southern India and South
34 LHR27C : There was a rumour going round about this recently... Last I heard one was going to replace YMMM and the other three to replace ZZZA, ZZZB and ZZZC.
35 JER757 : I very much doubt it until runway 3 is open at LHR. I can't see LHR being any more profitable than LGW is for them at the moment.
36 Richardw : So unlikely to get fatter over the long term?
37 HeeBeeGB : SEZ and MLE I think would require crew rest on the 777 which the LGW GE bird don't have and it wouldn't make sence to have one 777 at LGW which does s
38 Sketty222 : Would these be the only destinations mentioned that would need crew rest? or would LAS and SAN be able to operate without crew rest?
39 Richardw : Are they perhaps a not too far long haul fleet at LGW.
40 Ssides : So will there soon be a day when there are no flights to/from the US at LGW? Sure seems like all the US airlines are moving toward an all-LHR operatio
41 LHR27C : Until LHR gets a 3rd runway, BA won't have the slots to move their US leisure routes over, so destinations such as MCO, TPA should be safe at LGW for
42 Bobnwa : The opening of the third LHR runway is right around the corner. On the same day the Pope will announce he is converting to Islam.
43 VV701 : On 27 October BA will introduce their new LGW-JFK-LGW 772 service (BA2173 / 2172). And then there are the vacation with BA serving the former 10 time
44 VV701 : Forgot to mention VS's twice daily LGW-MCO-LGW flights and their daily LGW-LAS-LGW service.
45 Mutu : Out of interest what % of BA mid/longhaul is TATL and how does this compare to AFKLM and LHLX? It is of course hard for BA to not fly where the briti
46 VV701 : The only almost relevant data that BA publishes is the geographic brakedown of the source of their revenue (sales). In 2007-08 their total revenue wa
47 Aerokiwi : Excellent news. I've been avoiding flying BA from New Zealand to TLS becasue of the transfer at London (LHR to LGW), which they don't cover and is ent
48 LHR27C : Correct, no 737s based at LHR, although the 737s at LGW will eventually all be replaced by A319s too.
49 HeeBeeGB : It will be A319/A320/A321 as you correctly say LHR shorthaul is an all airbus operation. The A319 has been operating some LGW-TLS rotations of late.
50 1peter : From what I understand currently there are 29 737's at LGW plus 2 or 3 319's. So Summer 09 will see 3 or 4 shorthaul aircraft less than at present.
51 TristarSteve : It is already happening. Three of the B737-500 have been withdrawn from service and are on end of lease checks at Norwich. They haven't been replaced
52 Misbeehavin : ATL schedules are available now. They've pushed flights back by about 3 hours too, making a lot of the Africa-Middle East-India connections impossible
53 HeeBeeGB : ATL moves back to the schedule it had last winter for it's last season at LGW LGW-ATL 11:50-16:25 ATL-LGW 18:25-07:25
54 CHRISBA777ER : I'm in a minority here but i'll miss them - nice birds and I've had some lovely hops down to JER in them.
55 Planesarecool : Absolutely, and with EZY basing around 25 A319s at Gatwick this Winter, and BA around 7 or 8, it's going to become overrun with the Airbuses. Give me
56 Yellowtail : Maybe a return to SJO? LGW-HAV-BZE or LGW-CUN-BZE would be really nice. Lots of ex-pats here, lots of British soldiers who need cargoed supplies etc
57 Richardw : The A319 is a much better aircraft, the more the better at LGW imho.
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