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How Will DL Utililize NW's 753s?  
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

Just how will DL utilize NW's 753s? Will DL keep them on the routes that NW currently uses them on, or will they use them entirely differently? I think that DL will be very happy with the 753 and will welcome them for domestic use. Would DL consider putting the 753s on the Hawaii route? And would DL replace any of their domestic 763s since they are similar in capacity?


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

FLA-ATL/DTW/MSP-LAX/SFO/SEA-Hawaii

User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10449 times:

Well, their was some talk that NWA was going to put them on: 1. West coast to Hawaii routes. Or 2. Transfer them to NRT and use them out of that hub and bring some of the widebodies back to the USA to be used on international routes from DTW/MSP.

Now that is what I have read in the Detroit News. So don't burn my butt up on this. We all know how the news gets things right the first time around.

Chuck


User currently offlineJkj777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Just going on my opinion here.......
I would not be surprised at all to see them used between DTW and ATL and the west coast. Those domestic 763's could be reconfigured to fly the more lucrative international routes. They will have to update the 753's with the new IFE and seats.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

I actually suspect that they will end up in ATL running high-volume, low-yield ATL-Florida routes. Thats pretty much exactly what the 753, with its very low CASM, was designed for.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10248 times:



Quoting Jkj777 (Reply 3):
Those domestic 763's could be reconfigured to fly the more lucrative international routes.

The domestic 763s aren't ERs and have a range of 3600 miles, which would pretty much keep them off of international service (even using them out of JFK to Ireland and the UK would be stretching the range.).

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 4):
I actually suspect that they will end up in ATL running high-volume, low-yield ATL-Florida routes. Thats pretty much exactly what the 753, with its very low CASM, was designed for.

ATL-MCO, ATL-TPA and ATL-FLL spring to mind immediately, mainly because over the years, DL has used just about a/c type in their fleet on those routes, especially MCO.


User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10137 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 2):
Well, their was some talk that NWA was going to put them on: 1. West coast to Hawaii routes. Or 2. Transfer them to NRT and use them out of that hub and bring some of the widebodies back to the USA to be used on international routes from DTW/MSP.

Now that is what I have read in the Detroit News. So don't burn my butt up on this. We all know how the news gets things right the first time around.

Chuck

???? They are primarily being used on the West Coast to Hawaii routes right now (with rotations back through MSP and DTW).


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10131 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
The domestic 763s aren't ERs and have a range of 3600 miles, which would pretty much keep them off of international service (even using them out of JFK to Ireland and the UK would be stretching the range.).

they could be used on intra-Asia routes. they would either have to be given a BE type configuration or used on leisure type routes such as to GUM.


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Funny, was talking about this with some other FA's very recently. All very senior, so we know anything and everything is possible. I'd bet good money that the 753's will make their way down to Florida for sure. Not all of them, but they will make their way to the Sunshine State!

Not quite sure how, but possible scenarios:

1) To busy , but smaller, stations such as PBI, TPA. Frequency may be cut, but by using the larger aircraft no loss in available seats. It also may free the 752's for use elsewhere in the system. CO uses 753's to PBI in season to EWR and I think HOU ( not sure on that one)

2) To MCO, FLL to free up the 763's or 764's for use elsewhere. Maybe transcon from ATL to the west coast.

I have no desire to work 'em, but I think we'll use them well!

Fly Safe!


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3311 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9706 times:



Quoting Jkj777 (Reply 3):
Those domestic 763's could be reconfigured to fly the more lucrative international routes.

They could also be moved to the Asian routes from NRT. This will leave the 753 to ply the west coast-Hawaii routes.

Quoting PBIflyguy (Reply 8):
Funny, was talking about this with some other FA's very recently. All very senior, so we know anything and everything is possible.

Yes, the senior FA's have all been briefed, so they know exactly what DL will be doing after the merger is complete.  sarcastic  It's obvious that DL will pull the 753 from Hawaii markets, which have seen a reduction in capacity due to the demise of AQ and TZ. They'll move those planes to low yield Florida markets. That makes complete sense.


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9686 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 9):
Yes, the senior FA's have all been briefed

I was TRYING to be subtle  Cool


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9656 times:



Quoting Jkj777 (Reply 3):
Those domestic 763's could be reconfigured to fly the more lucrative international routes. They will have to update the 753's with the new IFE and seats.

wrong kind of 767. The 767s in question are the 767-300 and they ones that can fly TATL are 767-300ER. The range on the 300s are to short to fly most TATL routes.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):


The domestic 763s aren't ERs and have a range of 3600 miles, which would pretty much keep them off of international service (even using them out of JFK to Ireland and the UK would be stretching the range.).

JFK-LHR would be about it. They will keep the A/c for the same rolls they have now.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
they could be used on intra-Asia routes. they would either have to be given a BE type configuration or used on leisure type routes such as to GUM.

Not likely they use the A333s for that route (AFAIK) which has many more seats than a 763



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9581 times:

Actually, this is basically the only fleet type between DL and NW that will not be cross-fleeted in 2009. The plan as of right now for 2009 is to stay on the MSP/DTW to the west coast flights, and west coast to Hawaii. No ATL flying whatsoever.

In general, though, people are going to be in for some BIG surprises with the cross-fleeting in 2009. All kinds of interesting changes in store.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9506 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 4):
I actually suspect that they will end up in ATL running high-volume, low-yield ATL-Florida routes. Thats pretty much exactly what the 753, with its very low CASM, was designed for.



Quoting PBIflyguy (Reply 8):
1) To busy , but smaller, stations such as PBI, TPA. Frequency may be cut, but by using the larger aircraft no loss in available seats. It also may free the 752's for use elsewhere in the system. CO uses 753's to PBI in season to EWR and I think HOU ( not sure on that one)

2) To MCO, FLL to free up the 763's or 764's for use elsewhere. Maybe transcon from ATL to the west coast.

Both plausible...

Quote:
I have no desire to work 'em, but I think we'll use them well!

Fly Safe!

Go with that... They're terrible to work...

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 12):
In general, though, people are going to be in for some BIG surprises with the cross-fleeting in 2009. All kinds of interesting changes in store.

Feel free to share.


I'd like to see the 753 leave the fleet entirely. If this goes through, we'll already have a huge assortment of fleet types, and this one is kind of the orphan of the bunch. I'd rather see some of the west coast-Hawaii traffic picked up with the ETOPS -200's.

Also, before any chimes in with things like operating envelopes, range, logic, etc., this is just my unsolicited opinion...



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9433 times:



Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 12):
Actually, this is basically the only fleet type between DL and NW that will not be cross-fleeted in 2009. The plan as of right now for 2009 is to stay on the MSP/DTW to the west coast flights, and west coast to Hawaii. No ATL flying whatsoever.

I can think of one other type. Well kind of two. The 752s shouldn't be moved around to much.

Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 13):
Feel free to share.

You should already know some. A330s to ATL and JFK. 744s to ATL. 767s to MSP,DTW. Plus some that will indeed surprise some people.



yep.
User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9411 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
You should already know some. A330s to ATL and JFK. 744s to ATL. 767s to MSP,DTW.

I know the ones they've publicly announced.

Quote:
Plus some that will indeed surprise some people.

What, are you interning in route planning now?

If you've got some actual info, lay it on us...



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User currently onlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

The final cross-fleet utilization plan isn't final yet, however as of right now, as was stated, I believe the 753s are still going to be MSP/DTW -West Coast-Hawaii.

The 763 domestics will continue to be the hauler out of ATL. The int'l fleet rotation plan is the interesting one in my opinion and how that plays out on today's and tomorrow's routes  Wink



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9192 times:
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I see DL continue utilizing the 753s on their NW hub flights MSP/DTW-LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN; LAX/SFO^/SEA/SLC-HNL; high density MSP/DTW-MCO/FLL.

I don't see them using them on LAX-KOA/LIH and possibly OGG.

Is there a possibility DL will have blended winglets installed on these birds?


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8830 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 13):
Go with that... They're terrible to work...

I can only imagine, those birds are LONG!. I'm assuming its staffed with 5 FA's?


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8354 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 17):
Is there a possibility DL will have blended winglets installed on these birds?

Blended winglets are not certified on the 753, and given the small fleet number, the ROI for the manufacturer to do this is not compelling.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8258 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
Would DL consider putting the 753s on the Hawaii route?



Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 12):
In general, though, people are going to be in for some BIG surprises with the cross-fleeting in 2009. All kinds of interesting changes in store.

Please do share, like how bad is DL planning on screwing smaller communities that get DC-9's with RJ's such as GFK, MOT, FAR. Also, the pilots were told that their would be a lot of Airbus flying out of CVG now, which most of the pilots to say the least are not happy about. However, it was said that it wouldn't be a pilot base for them, just moving a lot of flying there.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 17):

Is there a possibility DL will have blended winglets installed on these birds?

The 753 as stated is not certified, and will likely never be certified. The winglets become to heavy for that aircraft and studies have shown that it will hurt aircraft performance.



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7712 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
You should already know some. A330s to ATL and JFK. 744s to ATL. 767s to MSP,DTW. Plus some that will indeed surprise some people.

No A330 flying planned as of right now out of JFK in 2009.


User currently onlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7570 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
Also, the pilots were told that their would be a lot of Airbus flying out of CVG now,

 checkmark 

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 21):
No A330 flying planned as of right now out of JFK in 2009.

 checkmark  for now. This keeps changing.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7513 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 15):
If you've got some actual info, lay it on us...

Not final yet. You will know soon though.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
The 763 domestics will continue to be the hauler out of ATL. The int'l fleet rotation plan is the interesting one in my opinion and how that plays out on today's and tomorrow's routes

and Hawaii.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
Please do share, like how bad is DL planning on screwing smaller communities that get DC-9's with RJ's such as GFK, MOT, FAR

About the 9s 1) They will not fly forever sorry but NWA was dropping them for E75/CR9/319s anyways. So take your pick E75/CR9 or no route at all.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
Also, the pilots were told that their would be a lot of Airbus flying out of CVG now, which most of the pilots to say the least are not happy about. However, it was said that it wouldn't be a pilot base for them, just moving a lot of flying there.

Welcome to a merger. Using the the A32S out of CVG is because it is the best plane for the routes.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 21):
No A330 flying planned as of right now out of JFK in 2009.

Your right I'm thinking to far ahead. Plus like Alitalia said parts of the plan keeps changing.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7453 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 23):
About the 9s 1) They will not fly forever sorry but NWA was dropping them for E75/CR9/319s anyways. So take your pick E75/CR9 or no route at all.

It's not E75/CR9 that are a concern... it's 50 seaters (with which DL seemingly has a love affair; see CVG).



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25 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : I'm not sure where you all are getting your info...but its not very good info. CVG maybe has 2 airbus flights scheduled for 2009. That's not to say t
26 CALPSAFltSkeds : You'd think CO would be interested, but the NW 753s have P&W engines. However, according to Airfleets.net CO hasn't picked up the last two ATA 753s.
27 DeltaL1011man : I never said they would have a large number of A32S out of CVG but they will have a few route out of CVG that will go to the A32S. I wouldn't worry t
28 Nwaesc : Caleb-- Remind me again how you're "in the know" regarding route planning/aircraft allocation. Thanks.
29 Alitalia744 : Pheonixtowashingtontominneapolis- There is short-term and there is long-term. Fleet allocation is done on both measures and takes into account both w
30 Lambert747 : Talk has it the following are high on the list for 767-300 to A330-200 conversion.: JFK-ATH JFK-IST JFK-AMM JFK-TLV JFK-CAI If flying a CRJ to market
31 DeltaL1011man : Close friend at DL who is in Route/network. That is why I wont post everything that I know. (don't wanna get him into trouble.) Like I said to PHX. N
32 XFSUgimpLB41X : DL's love affair withthe CRJ2 has been over for a while now. It's been nothing but cutting those airplanes.
33 DeltaL1011man : Will not happen. The 763Ds have to short of range. The 764 will stay on ATL-HNL even with the new F seats. The 753s will not be moving here.
34 Lambert747 : Perhaps then it is the 767-400, I wasnt even thinking of that as an option from the MSP and DTW markets. All I was told is that the Airbus will be of
35 DeltaL1011man : That is true. Would have to be a 767-300ER. I could see a smaller sub-fleet of them with a Domestic F.
36 Cubsrule : If NW can profitably operate these flights now without connectivity, why wouldn't the combined carrier be able to? True, but few Connection routes ex
37 Lambert747 : They perforn decently, but as well all know in mergers the routes to go first are those that have little or no connectivity to the rest of the system
38 CRJ900 : Will the NWA-DL B757-300 have more seats eventually, if they are to be used only on lower-yield flights? Boeing marketed the B753 as a 243-seat two-cl
39 OA412 : If so I find this exciting. Don't get me wrong I love the 763 but it'll be nice to see a bit of variety on this route.
40 CV880 : SFO has had connectivity to Hawaii for years and still does from JFK/ATL/CVG/SLC, as well as MEM/DTW/MSP, post merger. Just the O&D potential from th
41 NWAESC : PDX-HNL has connectivity going both ways. West bound, it goes MSP-PDX-HNL. Eastbound obviously is HNL-PDX-MSP. There's also connecting feed from AS/Q
42 Lambert747 : Notice how I used the word limited, as far as connectivity to and from PDX.
43 DeltaL1011man : SFO on DL was around for 15 years after the merger with WA......... PDX and SFO will likely stay...... question is will they stay with the 753 or dro
44 NWAESC : Maybe I'm missing something in your statement, but PDX flights connect well going both ways. East bound flights are packed with connection onward fro
45 Bobnwa : I don't think we all know that as you claim. What mergers have caused what routes to be gone because of little or no connectivity?
46 MMEPHX : Does this mean no A330s MSP/DTW - AMS in 09, transferring to 763s? If so, looks like I'll have to find another way to Europe...those DL 763s have to
47 JFK69 : What are the odds of seeing the NW 763's on the busy summer routes out of JFK such as SEA. They constantly stuff 3 757's during the summer months. Why
48 Ocracoke : ...had a love affair.... With DL shutting down concourse C, and stating that every flight out of CVG (be it DL or connection) will now use a jetway,
49 RwSEA : I'll go against the grain here and hypothesize that the 753s won't be going to Florida from ATL anytime soon. Yes, the ATL-FLL/TPA/MCO/MIA routes wer
50 Lambert747 : PSA-US Air LAS-SNA, ONT, BUR SAN-SMF, SJC RNO-PDX among a score of others.. National-Pan Am PNS-JAX CHS-ORF Republic-NW OAK-RNO FAT-SMF POC-IDA SFO-A
51 Cubsrule : Is that why US cut BOS and LGA so drastically after the merger? Wait, they didn't... that would be PIT (a full-blown hub) and LAS (a full-blown hub)
52 MCOflyer : I agree completely and wouldn't be surprised if they dedicate them to the FL runs and high yielding routes. Also, I wonder DL will keep sending the M
53 DeltaL1011man : no
54 Boeingfan : DL - NW merger - will sell the 753's... Possibly to charter opperator ...A/C are too different from CO 753 fleet (engines.) Plus CO downsizing capacit
55 MarkATL : How would that affect DL keeping the 753 fleet?
56 Cubsrule : If anything, wouldn't the fact that a large operator would not be interested in the 753s decrease their value and make DL more likely to keep them?
57 LACA773 : I recently saw on flightstats & flightaware, DL using 752s on their evening LAX-HNL flight.
58 DeltaL1011man : DL1465 and DL1467 are both 763s. (as per TravelNet)
59 N7371f : Republic (RC) pulled out of the west and Pacific Northwest long before the Northwest merger. I believe RC pulled GEG in 1983 - not even three full ye
60 CV880 : [quote=DeltaL1011man,reply=58]Quoting LACA773 (Reply 57): I recently saw on flightstats & flightaware, DL using 752s on their evening LAX-HNL flight.
61 Burnsie28 : No they were not, NW has publically stated over and over again they are still searching for a replacement aircraft for the DC-9. The DC-9-30 seat wis
62 DeltaL1011man : Oh really? then they 30s that have been dropped so far havve been replaced by........?
63 EA772LR : This is what I thought as well. Why in the hell would DL get rid of the 753? What do they have to replace it and more importantly what could they get
64 DeltAirlines : I doubt we'll see a reduction in First Class seating on the 757-300s - the front cabin between doors 1 and 2 is well set up for an F cabin and I don'
65 Bobnwa : The 30's being dropped have not been replaced by anything. They have been part of the capacity reductions at NW, just like the UA 737's have not been
66 Burnsie28 : Read what I wrote, that NW is STILL LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT!
67 Imapilotaz : Again, I worry about where you are getting your information. The BELF (Break Even Load Factor) of a CR2 (or any aircraft) is a function of fares (yie
68 DTWAGENT : It would be nice to see DTW/HNL non-stop season service back again. NWA stop that flight after the last DC-10 flight. As far as the B753's in Hawaii g
69 Lambert747 : Case in point, useless to the network overall. It is easier to fill a flight with 48 pax than 130 pax. Gte used to it, routes and markets are going t
70 Post contains links and images SNCntry32 : That is good to hear. I enjoy seeing the strech in MSP and in DTW. IMHO The strech looked HUGE in the old colors vs. the new. View Large View MediumP
71 Cubsrule : So? If it makes money, why does it need to be useful to the network? Last time I asked you this question, you dodged it by (falsely) asserting that r
72 DeltaL1011man : more frequency with 738s and 752s. They do.......but they also realize WN has a foot in the door.
73 Imapilotaz : Go ask US/HP what its like when SWA get's a foot in the door. They've beaten them pretty badly in LAS, PIT, BWI... then throw in PHL & PHX, and its n
74 Lambert747 : No reason for paranoia, WN isnt going to attract the First Class domestic crowd or the international O/D in the MSP hib for NW. No reason for paranoi
75 Cubsrule : I haven't put any words in your mouth. You said the route will be cut because it lacks connectivity. If it makes money, why cut it? If it doesn't mak
76 Imapilotaz : That's pretty silly to say. The only reason NW is still around for them to be bought by DL is that they have two of their 3 hubs completely unencombe
77 Lambert747 : Again, I never questioned or mentioned the monitary aspect of the route.. Again, as above, I never questioned or mentioned the monitary aspect of the
78 Lambert747 : Again, I never questioned or mentioned the monitary aspect of the route.. Again, as above, I never questioned or mentioned the monitary aspect of the
79 Bobnwa : OK I see,but all of NWA's DC-9-30's are just being parked with no additional flying by 319's 757's and 320? Is that what you are trying to say? Back
80 Papatango : DELTA also serves CMH from BOS
81 Cubsrule : ...so we're back to the original question. If the route makes money, why cut it? Because of the location of BOS, NW's IND focus city has MORE connect
82 DocLightning : Well, they're kind of like 762's but with better economics. So, pick any route that DL currently does with a 762 or any current 753 route that NW does
83 Lambert747 : NW - IND Markets Current IND Flights by NW LAX(1), LAS(1), MSP(5), DTW(8), LGA(4), DCA(3), MCO(1), FLL(1), AUS(1), BOS(3), BDL(2), SAT(1), MEM(3), RD
84 DeltaL1011man : DL doesn't have any 762s. Only 763s,763ERs,and 764ERs.
85 1337Delta764 : Um, DL doesn't operate the 762 anymore. Delta's only current domestic widebodies are the non-ER 763s and seven of the 764ERs (soon to be converted to
86 Cubsrule : You're ignoring the fact, though, that no one is going to fly RIC-BOS-IND or CLT-BOS-PHX
87 EddieDude : DL is currently flying JFK-MEX twice daily with 752s and, as far as I can imagine, with full or almost full loads. It would be awesome to see DL upgra
88 Lambert747 : ALB-BOS-PUJ BUF-BOS-SJU SYR-BOS-AUA ROC-BOS-BDA AUG-BOS-IND DCA-BOS-SYR LAS-BOS-SYR PHX-BOS-BUF Among others come to mind.. Also keep in mind the mam
89 PBIflyguy : Doc - 762's left our fleet in 2006. The 763's ( domestic) seat about 260 and the 753's 228. I don't see them as an even " swap". Maybe use the 753's
90 Cubsrule : I thought that mergers resulted in indiscriminate cuts to the parts of the network with the last connectivity... or is that not what you're saying?
91 NWA757boy : The 753 is long and a pain to work. There are 5 FAs on it yes. The aisle is even narrower or so it feels than the 752. There are 4 lavs for coach and
92 1337Delta764 : I was wondering, with the 753s joining the fleet, could DL get more of the domestic 763s ETOPSed? Currently, DL has only four ETOPS domestic 763s (shi
93 Lambert747 : You are trying to argue that a market with over 90 flights a day has no connectivity? Focus on the facts you are trying to in some attempt to say tha
94 Cubsrule : No. I'm arguing that, like IND, it has the least connectivity in the system. By your (blanket) argument above, it should have been cut. That did not
95 DeltaL1011man : One to short of range for any TATL flights. (JFK-MAN would be about it) Plus the other 763s are leased.....also very old. Not sure it would be worth
96 Lambert747 : There are meaningful connections on a daily basis from markets such as: ALB, BUF, ROC, SYR, AUG, PQI, among others -via BOS- to other markets. US Air
97 Cubsrule : But, again, that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that it has the least connectivity in the system.
98 Lambert747 : PIT and LAS have less connectivity than BOS if by number of flights alone.
99 NWAESC : I'm not an F/A, but just imagine a "regular" '57 but a lot narrower & longer. Speaking of which, let's get back to the topic at hand. The *fact* is t
100 Cubsrule : That's true today. That was not true at the time of the merger (late 2005).
101 Lambert747 : Finally, we agree on something!
102 PBIflyguy : Thanks Zach! RE: "it just never ends" that's like the first time I walked onto our 764's, you think " does this ever end? "
103 Ocracoke : WN has had a "foot in the door" in SLC since their purchase of Morris Air in 1992/1993. However, since they bought Morris Air, WN has more or less be
104 BAW716 : Delta will use the NW 753s in high density markets where short field performance is more of an issue. The capacity of the 753 is actually higher than
105 1337Delta764 : No, it isn't. At least not more than the domestic 763s. DL's domestic 763s seat 262 passengers, while NW's 753s seat 224 passengers. Comparing their
106 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : ATL-MCO ATL-FLL ATL-TPA ATL-SLC all seem like good options for the 757-300
107 EA772LR : So my thread finally comes full circle. For a while there, you'd think that I was asking questions about NW's fleet and DL's 767s... Thanks for the a
108 DeltaL1011man : Why would you move the 753s to those routes when the 763s(which can't do anything longer than west coast Hawaii) does the job just fine and has more
109 EA772LR : Do the 38 extra seats on DL's 262 seat domestic 763s make up for much higher operating costs vs. the 224 seat 753s? Assuming of course you are able t
110 DocLightning : That is correct. I was thinking of AA for some reason. Anyway, pick any route that DL used to use a 762 and that would be a good 753 candidate. I agr
111 NWA757boy : It's even worse for the crew. Waiting for everyone to get off especially coming in on a red-eye and you just want to get off and go to sleep. I think
112 Cubsrule : They probably do. They hold almost as many passengers and only have one aisle.
113 CV880 : Too old, not enough range (or severely payload restricted). That's why some went to HA, as West Coast - Hawaii is about the limit. They need to take
114 Bobnwa : Seems like a waste of the aircraft's capability on those short segments. The current West Coast - Hawaii routing are perfect.
115 WorldTraveler : absolutely true. WN has succeeded in UA and US markets far more than in hubs of any other network carriers.
116 SNCntry32 : Didnt DL try the 753 but found the turn times to be to long? Or look into them atleast?
117 Lambert747 : The 757-300 can be turned in an hour. It has nothing to do with that. I may be mistaken but the 757-300 was never really looked at by DL. At the time
118 PSU.DTW.SCE : There is no indication that DL is going to be moving some/all of the 753's to ATL post-merger. The 753 offers a lot of capacity, is a very efficient a
119 SNCntry32 : Thank you for the very informative post. I agree that they just cant shift these planes around without putting something else on the routes. MSP-SEA
120 DLflynhayn : Actually sometimes the 757 gets subbed in for the morning LAX-HNL flt.Not to often but it happens from time to time.
121 JohnJ : With all this talk, it might be useful to get a list of where NW currently takes the 753. Hawaii is certainly one of the markets, but it seems MSP-Wes
122 B777ER : For the cross fleet plan coming in 2009, expect to see DL 763ER's operating out of SEA to Asia. DL is not going to put a 763ER base there for the pilo
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