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Malaysia Airlines Widebody Order Soon?  
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Malaysia Airlines (MH) seems to be the only East Asian carrier with no official plans to replace their 744s. They will get a few A380s but they can't replace all of their 744s. They recently placed an order for 738s to replace their 734s. Any idea if they will place an order to replace their 744s ?

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User currently offlineOby From Denmark, joined Aug 2008, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

I would love it if they ordered the 77W and the 787, but I must admit to saying that I believe they wll go the airbus way.

User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

They are in dire need of a fleet renewal plan, sadly the airline has been mismanaged for a long time, though things are on the improve now. I really think they are stuck at the moment as if they order 77W to replace some of the 744 fleet, by the time they receive it the A350 will be on the horizon, but then do they wait with an already ageing fleet? They also really need to convert the A330's to international standard config. They also seriously need to look at updating Y class on their remaining 744's 772's they have been much the same since the very late 90's


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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 388 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8106 times:



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 2):
They also seriously need to look at updating Y class on their remaining 744's 772's they have been much the same since the very late 90's

Y Class seats on MAS 744 & 772 are fine to me. The 34" seat pitch is awesome. I'm afraid if they do one day decide it's time to renovate the EY cabin in 744 & 772, we'll have to kiss the 34" seat pitch goodbye.

As far as i'm concerned, all international flights are still losing money. Only the Domestic flights are profitable now. So they are not completely out of the woods yet. If they have any extra cash now or are in good financial position, they should first order a new regional widebodied aircraft to replace all the current 333. MAS 333 have very good seat pitch in EY (34" too) but the lack of PTV is a big let down.


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7905 times:



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3):
As far as i'm concerned, all international flights are still losing money. Only the Domestic flights are profitable now. So they are not completely out of the woods yet. If they have any extra cash now or are in good financial position, they should first order a new regional widebodied aircraft to replace all the current 333.

What would be a better regional WB than the A333 - 767-300? Or are you talking about long term replacements - 787, A350?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7186 times:



Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
They recently placed an order for 738s to replace their 734s.

what is the delivery schedule for the B738s, and where are they going to be deployed?


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7064 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 5):
what is the delivery schedule for the B738s, and where are they going to be deployed?

No idea of delivery schedule. Check Boeing's website for the pressrelease. Routes for MH's 738s would probably be the same as for the current routes for their 734s.

I guess I forgot about China Airlines that also have a lot of 744s to replace. Perhaps they will get 747-8? They will also get some A350s I think but not enough to replace the 744 fleet. Any info ?

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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6878 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 5):
what is the delivery schedule for the B738s, and where are they going to be deployed?

Currently there are 37 734s in service. With 35 firm orders for the 738, it will be one-to-one replacement.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6736 times:



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3):
As far as i'm concerned, all international flights are still losing money. Only the Domestic flights are profitable now.

Still puzzles me how cash cows like ZRH, LHR and SYD is losing money. After letting go of the RAS, hopefully they will do better now that they have a subsidiary MAS Wings "bearing the burden" of those flights.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3):
So they are not completely out of the woods yet. If they have any extra cash now or are in good financial position, they should first order a new regional widebodied aircraft to replace all the current 333. MAS 333 have very good seat pitch in EY (34" too) but the lack of PTV is a big let down.

Hopefully, MAS will "wisen up" and standardise their IFE offerings on ALL aircraft types. If they want to be the 5-star carrier that they claim to be, they need to go ALL THE WAY and not give passengers semblance of if laced with PR spiel. Honestly the "Best Cabin Crew" talk is getting old, it is time to go beyond that and offer more than just that.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17004 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

If I am not wrong I think one of their worst performing routes is KUL-ARN-EWR.


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6533 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
If I am not wrong I think one of their worst performing routes is KUL-ARN-EWR.

Up there with KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE i suppose...


User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6365 times:



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3):
Y Class seats on MAS 744 & 772 are fine to me. The 34" seat pitch is awesome. I'm afraid if they do one day decide it's time to renovate the EY cabin in 744 & 772, we'll have to kiss the 34" seat pitch goodbye.

As far as i'm concerned, all international flights are still losing money. Only the Domestic flights are profitable now. So they are not completely out of the woods yet. If they have any extra cash now or are in good financial position, they should first order a new regional widebodied aircraft to replace all the current 333. MAS 333 have very good seat pitch in EY (34" too) but the lack of PTV is a big let down.

Other than seat ptich what else do they offer? Their economy catering is crap, outdated small PTV's which are the same as when I first flew them in 99'. Sorry but they have fallen behind all their competitors, except maybe SQ 744 in Y. Even TG have upgraded Y cabins in their aircraft and they have 34" seat pitch as well.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5266 times:



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):

Why not try KLM or Lufthansa for trips to Europe then.. KLM offers snack boxes on longhaul flights and neither have PTVs in Y at all on their 744s...

 sarcastic 


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5189 times:



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):
Other than seat ptich what else do they offer? Their economy catering is crap, outdated small PTV's which are the same as when I first flew them in 99'. Sorry but they have fallen behind all their competitors, except maybe SQ 744 in Y. Even TG have upgraded Y cabins in their aircraft and they have 34" seat pitch as well.



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 12):
Why not try KLM or Lufthansa for trips to Europe then.. KLM offers snack boxes on longhaul flights and neither have PTVs in Y at all on their 744s...

Hahahaha... cool it MAS777. I think what Chrisrad is insinuating is that MAS being the "premium" carrier that they keep saying they are, seems to fall short and never seemed to have developed their YCL product since 1998 (when they were first introduced).



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5171 times:



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):
Other than seat ptich what else do they offer? Their economy catering is crap, outdated small PTV's which are the same as when I first flew them in 99'. Sorry but they have fallen behind all their competitors, except maybe SQ 744 in Y. Even TG have upgraded Y cabins in their aircraft and they have 34" seat pitch as well.

Strange that you mention TG in this comparison, as TG does not have any PTV at all in the 744. An outdated, small PTV is surely better than no PTV at all?

Actually, there are not many 744s out there with "modern" PTVs.



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5144 times:



Quoting RedChili (Reply 14):
Actually, there are not many 744s out there with "modern" PTVs.

Really?

SQ, CX, BA, VS, QF, NH, JL, NZ have "Modern" viewable PTVs...


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5139 times:



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 12):
Why not try KLM or Lufthansa for trips to Europe then.. KLM offers snack boxes on longhaul flights

May I ask on what longhaul flight KLM only offers snackboxes?
I have flown KLM to europe myself from SIN several times over the last 5 years, and they serve 2 good meals on those flights.



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5090 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 15):
Really?

SQ, CX, BA, VS, QF, NH, JL, NZ have "Modern" viewable PTVs...

It depends upon what you mean with "modern" PTVs. Chrisrad didn't explain what he meant, other than saying that they are "small." If you look at the following pictures, MH has the same size or only slightly smaller than their competitors on the 744s that I found pictures of on a.net:


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User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5043 times:



Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
Malaysia Airlines (MH) seems to be the only East Asian carrier with no official plans to replace their 744s. They will get a few A380s but they can't replace all of their 744s.

MH has too many 744s (12 at last count, iirc) for the network they are currently operating. Of the current routes seeing the jumbo jet in scheduled service, only AMS, LHR and possibly SYD will need that kind of capacity. The others, such as LAX, EWR and EZE supposedly bleed a lot of cash. When D7 (AirAsia X) firms up plans to serve London and Sydney, those two stations will come under pressure. Capacity to BNE has fallen since D7 started OOL. We are starting to see massive discounting as D7 confirms service to PER and MEL. After all the dust has settled, MH may not even need an aircraft of that size, much less the A380s they still plan to receive in 2011/2012. I suppose parent company Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad could try to lease out the aircraft.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Malaysia Airlines is still about 400 times better than the godawfulness that is KLM longhaul. If you ever have the option of picking one of the two, definitely go for MAS.

User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 388 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4805 times:



Quoting Art (Reply 4):
What would be a better regional WB than the A333 - 767-300? Or are you talking about long term replacements - 787, A350?

All MAS 333 are the early version with 333 and a lot less capable to the new updated version of 333 dubbed the Airbus A330-300X/A330-300E. The newly updated version of 333 is a very capable aircraft and is a favorite aircraft type to many Asian carriers to operate their short/medium-haul sectors. So it would make total sense if MAS order the new updated 333 to replace their old Pratt & Whitney powered 333.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
Still puzzles me how cash cows like ZRH, LHR and SYD is losing money.

This is MAS after all. They screw up at almost international destinations they are serving.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
Honestly the "Best Cabin Crew" talk is getting old, it is time to go beyond that and offer more than just that.

Totally agree with you.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
worst performing routes is KUL-ARN-EWR.



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE i suppose...

I suppose both routes are doing equally bad.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4719 times:



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 2):
They are in dire need of a fleet renewal plan



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3):
If they have any extra cash now or are in good financial position, they should first order a new regional widebodied aircraft to replace all the current 333.

Sounds like 2 severe cases of shiny new jet syndrome.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

How's KUL-PER/ADL doing? Will we see increases/decreases when D7 come to PER?

User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4411 times:



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 12):
Why not try KLM or Lufthansa for trips to Europe then.. KLM offers snack boxes on longhaul flights and neither have PTVs in Y at all on their 744s...

If you are being so critical of me, what would your answer be to the people on this board who compared them to Air Asia???

I was talking about their direct competitors, SQ, CX, TG ect. Bit hard to compare LH, KL as neither of those airlInes fly to Australia any more, KLM code share with MH and LH codeshare with SQ or TG.
I think people are getting the wrong impression here, I am very critical of them, because they had plenty of opportunities to keep up with "other" airlines in the region, but their inept management causes them to stall like this.



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4231 times:



Quoting Econojetter (Reply 18):

MH has too many 744s (12 at last count, iirc) for the network they are currently operating. Of the current routes seeing the jumbo jet in scheduled service, only AMS, LHR and possibly SYD will need that kind of capacity. The others, such as LAX, EWR and EZE supposedly bleed a lot of cash. When D7 (AirAsia X) firms up plans to serve London and Sydney, those two stations will come under pressure. Capacity to BNE has fallen since D7 started OOL. We are starting to see massive discounting as D7 confirms service to PER and MEL. After all the dust has settled, MH may not even need an aircraft of that size, much less the A380s they still plan to receive in 2011/2012. I suppose parent company Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad could try to lease out the aircraft.

The A380s will be an overkill for MH.

They should replace the B744s with 7-8 77Ws instead of A380s.


25 United Airline : I suppose they will order the B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s. LAX, EZE, EWR should be cash cows not money losers. I suppose they are not being ma
26 United Airline : They can still win over D7 if they are better managed.They should start expanding and keep up with the good service and manage themselves well. Doubt
27 Ryanair!!! : Do you know so? South America to SE Asia has very little (almost nil) business traffic so it isn't like that "cash cow" you would like it to be. EZE
28 Mandala499 : News from the inside seems to be that they're gonna go the 777-300ER way... the problem route being only the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE... which they'll figure
29 Ex_SQer : and then some... when I was with SQ every few weeks or so we had (mostly all-male) groups of Chinese nationals holding 4 different sets of return tic
30 Jfk777 : Malaysia should fly to LHR and other European cities, Australia and regioally in Asia. Flying to the USA or Argentina is a waste of a good airplane. M
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