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AA 757 F Class Cabin Refurbs  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

I remember reading on here a while back that the AA 757s are finally going to be getting refurbished soon... and that 2 more seats will be added to the First Class cabin.

My question is, will those seats be added in back of seats 5A/B or will they remove the closet in front of 1A/B and put the two new seats up front?

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4613 times:



Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
My question is, will those seats be added in back of seats 5A/B or will they remove the closet in front of 1A/B and put the two new seats up front?

I could be wrong - but I seem to remember the plan being to put the two additional F seats at the back of F, not the front.


User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
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If I remember correctly the little galley/lav area was going away and they were going to put the two new seats on the left side for 6AB....

Correct me if Im wrong!



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

They're going to remove the closet just forward of the lav by door 2L, and put the seats back there. They'll have to reposition the seats in the entire first class cabin, but basically after the refurbs are complete the configuration will be very similar if not identical to what UA currently has on their 757's.


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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4152 times:

I was just reviewing the schedule for the project, and it seems it's going to take forever to complete the 757 refurb... six years to be exact! That's a pretty slow pace. The last a/c is expected to be complete in September 2014. That's an average of 16 a/c a year, or a little better than one a month.

As noted above, the closet aft of seats 5 A/B will be removed to make way for the two new seats. Also, with newer technology, the F seats are likely to be a lot thinner, allowing for a slight increase in pitch, or at very least similar pitch, to what's available now. In addition, the single cart galley behind seats 6 E/F will be removed, and a cabin divider with doghouse and double jumpseat will be installed.

To recap, both cabins are getting new seats, sidewalls and lavs. The a/c is getting a digital file server IFE system (Panasonic eFX -- like the 763) and new 17in. flat panel monitors over aisle to replace the CRTs present now.

On a side note, installation of AirCell's GoGo wifi system begins in January on the MD-80s, with completion expected 2Q10. The system is expected to be installed on the 737s and 757s as well, the 737s beginning late 3Q09 with completion in 3Q10. The 757 timeline is not available.



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User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

*Ugh* So they'll basically retain the "slave ship" layout...  Sad

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3871 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 4):
To recap, both cabins are getting new seats, sidewalls and lavs. The a/c is getting a digital file server IFE system (Panasonic eFX -- like the 763) and new 17in. flat panel monitors over aisle to replace the CRTs present now.

How much weight will that change save?



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3823 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
How much weight will that change save?

I don't have a number, but the company has said with new, lighter seats and the replacement of CRT monitors, the weight savings will be substantial. Many have questioned why the company is going forward with the refurb given the current economic state. While desperately needing a cabin makeover, the changes are likely to pay for themselves rather quickly in the way of lower fuel burn.

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 5):
*Ugh* So they'll basically retain the "slave ship" layout...

Yep, new cabin config will be 24F and 166Y. The only non-"slave ship" layout, in my opinion, are those 757s with a fourth set of doors and no overwing exits. The ex-TWA birds had this config and it was an entirely different experience working that a/c than the AA's original 757s -- much easier in my opinion.



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User currently offlineGpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3748 times:



Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 5):
*Ugh* So they'll basically retain the "slave ship" layout...

If you want to try a "slave-ship" layout, try travelling on a 757 operated by a British charter airline (233 seats!). I travelled with First Choice the other week and even my brother's girlfriend (who is only 5' 1") had her knees in the back of the seat in front!!!



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User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

One thing I wish they would change is the F class closet doors on both the 757 and 737. Its a poor design and when its open, people are always pulling the door away from the wall with their bags as they deplane and then the door smacks the following passenger. It would be nice to have a roll up door like the middle closet on the 757 or closets on the A300 and 767..

User currently offlineKeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

The domestic version and the IFS configuration will be removing the mid galley and there will be 16 C/166Y in the IFS and as stated before 24F/166Y in the domestic config. 1st one is set to be done in November. So far I think TUL is the only one preforming this mod which is why it will take 6 years since they only remove interiors on heavy C.

User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3315 times:

At the rate AA is performing the conversions, the aircraft will probably begin to leave the fleet shortly thereafter (in 2014-2020).


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

How long did it take AA to refurbish the MD-80s, back in the late 90s? If I recall correctly, it seemed like it took only 2 or 3 years, and that was for a fleet of 270 airplanes.

Granted, AA didn't change the seating layout, and there wasn't any IFE equipment to install, but I'm guessing that the cabins were refurbished at TUL outside of heavy C-Checks.


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3110 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
How long did it take AA to refurbish the MD-80s, back in the late 90s? If I recall correctly, it seemed like it took only 2 or 3 years, and that was for a fleet of 270 airplanes.

Granted, AA didn't change the seating layout, and there wasn't any IFE equipment to install, but I'm guessing that the cabins were refurbished at TUL outside of heavy C-Checks.

You're right -- the MD-80 project in the late 90s took about three years, and the mods were completed outside of heavy maintenance. AA currently only has the 757 getting its mod during heavy maintenance, and it is expected to take about 20 days for each a/c. I'm not sure why the pace is so slow, other than AA has multiple projects underway that might be squeezing available space.

Current projects include new avionics in 757 and 767 a/c, 763 winglet installation, 762 cabin upgrade, MD-80 aft cabin mod (nearly complete), MD-80 and 737 wi-fi, 757 TATL config., plus whatever work they'll be doing on the new 738s to be delivered next year, at a pace of one every 10 days. There are several other projects underway as well.

FYI, in case anyone was wondering and/or didn't know, the 777 cabin/IFE mods are complete.



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User currently offlineKeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3052 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 13):
I'm not sure why the pace is so slow, other than AA has multiple projects underway that might be squeezing available space.



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 13):
Current projects include new avionics in 757

maui mod!

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 13):
763 winglet installation

Actually having some problems, APB is working on.

I believe that the mod line in tul is working on winglets and in mid Nov there will no longer be a winglet line in tul, I think mci will handle this. but then the maui mod happens on the 2 docks in hanger 5 in tul and the cip (cabin Improvement) as well. Im not sure but i think the first few are scheduled for more days than are required bc they the are the first, and i think it will be the ifs (international config), but they need to convert quite a few 757 for etops on those. Just like the 777 mbv is scheduled for 35 days in tule.


User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Will certain 757s be configured for A300 replacement routes such as LIM, SJO, CCS and well as the longer 757 flights such as LPB and VVI?

User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2932 times:



Quoting Jetsetter629 (Reply 15):
Will certain 757s be configured for A300 replacement routes such as LIM, SJO, CCS and well as the longer 757 flights such as LPB and VVI?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. AA's A300s are configured in a standard domestic first/economy layout with 16 first seats and 250 (or 251, depending on a/c) coach seats. There is nothing special about the A300's cabin, other than it holds a whole lot of people.

AA has two 757 initiatives underway. 1) 18 a/c are being configured for TATL flying with 16 business class seats, new AVOD for j-class, new IFE and seats for coach and new sidewalls and lavs. 2) The remaining 106 757s will retain their domestic layout with standard first/coach seats, although both cabins are getting new seats (+2 add'l seats in F), lavs, sidewalls and digital, over aisle IFE.

The domestic version of the 757, and the 763, will replace the A300. As far as TATL 757 a/c being used on some of the above mentioned routes, well, if AA deems they can get the revenue premium from those business class seats, then they may very well schedule that bird to one or more of those destinations, but it isn't the intention. The TATL 757s will replace some 763 TATL flying (freeing some of those birds up for high density Caribbean/LATAM flying) and additional TATL routes. Of course, AA's 763s have a TATL j-class layout, which may give AA an opportunity to increase their j-class revenue premium in Caribbean/LATAM flights currently operated by the A300.



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User currently offlineJetSetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2797 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 16):
I'm not sure what you mean by this. AA's A300s are configured in a standard domestic first/economy layout with 16 first seats and 250 (or 251, depending on a/c) coach seats. There is nothing special about the A300's cabin, other than it holds a whole lot of people.

Sorry for not being more clear, but with previous treads being about when AA's A300 will be phased out, I was wondering if they will used these newly configured F class seats that will be seen on TATL to routes in Central and South America that currently use an A300 (ex: LIM)or are long overnight flights (ex: LPB/VVI). Thanks again.

Rob


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 17):
Sorry for not being more clear, but with previous treads being about when AA's A300 will be phased out, I was wondering if they will used these newly configured F class seats that will be seen on TATL to routes in Central and South America that currently use an A300 (ex: LIM)or are long overnight flights (ex: LPB/VVI). Thanks again.

Rob

It's possible, but as I mentioned in my previous post, the A300 has a standard domestic first cabin, not an international J-class cabin like the 763s and TATL 757s. So, if AA decides to move a TATL 757 to these routes, it would be because they felt they could extract extra revenue the new int'l j-class seat could demand. Having said that, if they felt the demand was there now they could be using a 763 which already has the int'l j-class product. I think one thing is for sure -- these new TATL 757s will give AA quite a bit of flexibility and open a lot of new opportunities.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2573 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
How long did it take AA to refurbish the MD-80s, back in the late 90s? If I recall correctly, it seemed like it took only 2 or 3 years, and that was for a fleet of 270 airplanes.

Granted, AA didn't change the seating layout, and there wasn't any IFE equipment to install, but I'm guessing that the cabins were refurbished at TUL outside of heavy C-Checks.

Along with some other major projects with the 757 fleet AA M&E does not have the same manpower that it did in the late nineties. As you pointed out with the MD-80 mods there was no IFE upgrades like there is with the 757 fleet. This adds to the time required to do the interiors.


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