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User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Having just moved down to the University of Exeter's Cornwall Campus in Falmouth for a three year degree in history and law, I was most disappointed to hear that British Airways have suspended all services between Gatwick and Newquay as from the 28th of October. Whilst I can understand that during the winter the yields are probably not fantastic for BA on this route and during this time of financial crisis it is not attractive for them to be sending empty planes out of London, I was wandering whether or not it may return for the summer season. Or was it (as was speculated when they restarted the route a few years ago) merely a move to hold onto slots at Gatwick in better times? I would be very grateful for any information regarding the resurrection of this route in the summer, as I am not overly keen on flying Ryanair and having to travel through the city to get home from Stansted (I live about 10 miles from Gatwick...) Cheers.

[Edited 2008-10-05 15:48:38]

[Edited 2008-10-05 15:52:37]

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Well Air Southwest flies to LGW also. So no need to fly into STN with FR


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User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

I know, but BA and Ryanair are so much cheaper and don't randomly stop in Plymouth on the way if they feel like it! Air Southwest advertise fares of £39 each way (which, I will concede is fairly reasonable) but having looked at the website those fares are pretty hard to get unless you book months in advance; otherwise it's like £139 each way which obviously I can't afford as a student and I can't always plan when I'll be going back to London that far in advance. I have done the research!

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2483 times:



Quoting Eljonno (Thread starter):
I was wandering whether or not it may return for the summer season

Hate to be pessimistic but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Rumour has it the flight very often, even during the summer, had single figures pax load and I think the competition from FR was just too great. Expect to see BA increasing frequencies to/adding destinations in the Med next summer from LGW before returning to NQY. I could be proved wrong but in the current environment I don't see this route being viable.

There's always the National Express bus back from Cornwall!



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2362 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 3):
Rumour has it the flight very often, even during the summer, had single figures pax load and I think the competition from FR was just too great

Sorry but although LGW-NQY hasnt been a strong performer that rumor isnt true. When it started it was around the 15-25 mark, this picked up and averaged around 40/50 overall, picked up to 80 odd on weekends etc in summer and is now hoverfing around 60/70. Which, if you had a smaller aircraft wouldnt be too bad but on a -500 with 110 seats or a -400 with 149 seats its just too much aircraft.

Frequency was another major problem a mid/late afternoon flight doesnt help connect onto the morning longhaul departures and doesnt work well for weekend breaks or business trips so Air Southwest's loads were almost unaffected by BA's NQY ops.

I have no inside into on route planning but in my view NQY will never come back.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Pprune rumour that BE will be going NQY-LGW soon


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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Take the train!...  Wink


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User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Some Air Southwest flights go NQY-LGW without a stop, and even if they do stop it doesn't take that much longer. They can be reasonably priced too if you book well in advance.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7692 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
Take the train!... Wink

Yup, spot on. I know we all like flying, but clearly the sensible thing to do in your position would be to book train or coach tickets.



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User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I think the train would be a better idea if only it didn't take so long. Also, the National Express coaches are admittedly (VERY) cheap, but would take years to get home on. The only reason I would prefer to fly to be honest is because, as I said, I live just outside East Grinstead - which itself is only about 10-15 minutes max. from LGW. So flying to Gatwick is actually easier and (slightly) quicker than getting the train or the coach. Oh well - I guess I won't be going home much anyway; I'll bring my car next year I think! Thanks for all the responses, this is the first time I have posted here.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2171 times:



Quoting Eljonno (Reply 9):

So Air Southwest should be ideal. They fly multiple times a day from LGW to NQY - with a quick stop at PLH - that really is no hassle at all (and certainly still much quicker than any other option down there). Prices are fine if you book in advance.

To be honest for someone like you who might travel the route quite regularly, ASW would be a better option than BA in terms of price and frequency.

Certainly its going to be much quicker than train or driving. Driving will take you well over 5 hours from your location - I should know i'm from across the bay from Falmouth and my family still live down there so I do the run regularly.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

I had heard the BA has no intention of reinstating the route, they had too larger aircraft to make it work.
I personally enjoy the train down to Cornwall and if you book in advance you can get some great deals and dont forget that if you travel over the weekend you can upgrade to first on FGW for just £10.00. You obviously get loads more room and you get free drinks and nibbles thrown in with the ticket.


User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

I'll definitely give Air Southwest a go then. If the worst comes to worst the train doesn't sound too bad anyway, so I'll try that as well probably (cheers for the tips on that Cornish).
I guess a 737 is probably overkill for such a route really (especially with FR offering twice daily flights as well, on top of the other LGW flights from NQY); and it never really surprised me that they were pulling out of NQY anyway to be honest. I must admit that I wondered why they ever started flying there again in the first place really! Still, it was nice that they gave it a try when so many people can't wait to point out that BA have become London Airways since pulling the majority of their regional flights.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2096 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 11):
I had heard the BA has no intention of reinstating the route, they had too larger aircraft to make it work.

It was never going to work with that size of aircraft, unless you have a Ryanair type model and deals done. Ideally you want a turboprop sized aircraft a la ASW. Even then the economics aren't brilliant - that's why the triangualr service works for them



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

I am going to agree and say take the train... as much as I hate First Great Western, it's going to be your best option pricewise! Albeit extremely inconvenient! Looking at WOW now for Christmas, and already your looking at £65 each way! So you have to plan WAY far in advance!!! Good luck though!  Smile


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User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1799 times:



Quoting Eljonno (Reply 9):
I think the train would be a better idea if only it didn't take so long.

Take the Night Riviera sleeper. You can leave Newquay around 20h30 and change in Par (time for a drink or two I suspect, it's not a tight connection). The sleeper has reclining seats and standard (double occupancy) or first (single occupancy) class sleeper compartments and a full service buffet car. You arrive in London before 06h00 but can sleep in a bit if you're not in a rush.

Details: http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=1555


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

£65 on the LGW route is actually pretty good, I still count that fare level as being value for money, but get up to £116 each way and it will make me start to look at other options, normally avoiding LGW all together and using AF/KLM/LH via WOW to BRS instead. You could always fly NQY-DUB-LGW with WOW and FR or EI, add a bit of interest to getting home. NQY-SOU might have been useful for you too, but that was canned before it even began, although I wouldn't be surprised to see BE on the NQY-LGW service twice daily next year.

Train wise you don't have an amazing number of options from Cornwall because a good half of services terminate at Plymouth, so I'd actually recommend taking the nightly sleeper service. It's normally much cheaper than the daytime services when booking last minute, but sometimes booking in advance is needed to secure you a bed, it'll get you into Paddington for 6am or normally earlier, enabling you to nip across London to another terminus on the tube before it gets busy and then take a connecting train on to you home town. Runs nightly in both directions, sometimes as cheap as £17 (from PLH at least to Paddington) booked just a few hours before you leave.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineEljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

[quote=Jamesontheroad,reply=15]drink or two I suspect, it's not a tight connection). The sleeper has reclining seats and standard (double occupancy) or first (single occupancy) class sleeper compartments and a full service buffet car. You arrive in London before 06h00 but can sleep in a bit if you're not in a rush.[/quote


That sounds amazing! Will definitely be giving it a go at some point... Is it possible to get a sleeper compartment in the day? Am thinking that way a trip back home could be combined with a night out in Newquay, or London on the way home!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1475 times:



Quoting Eljonno (Reply 17):
Is it possible to get a sleeper compartment in the day? Am thinking that way a trip back home could be combined with a night out in Newquay, or London on the way home!

Nope, afraid it only runs at night, and beds are limited so you need to book in advance to make 100% sure that you get one. Otherwise, there is always loads of room in the regular carriages which accompany the sleeper set, hence the cheap fares... and I really can't recommend drinking and getting wasted on sleeper services; it's one of those things you do once and never, ever again  Wink



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User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Last time I took the ScotRail sleeper from London Euston to Fort William, I made the mistake of heading to the bar car and started chatting to a Scottish guy on his way back to the oil platforms off Aberdeen (the Highland Sleeper shares a buffet car before splitting into tree parts in the early hours towards Aberdeen, Inverness and Fort William). For a waif-like southern pansy like me, trying to "keep up" drinking with a Scotsman in any kind of bar is a bad idea... especially one that's already moving before you start to feel the effects of the alcohol... Big grin

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