Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Former ATL International Carriers  
User currently offlineDelta763 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Does anyone know of a list, whether documented or anecdotal, of international airlines that used to serve ATL?

I know recently SA used to fly to ATL until DL took over service to JNB just a few years ago.

I'm thinking Swissair, Sabena, JAL, and Varig all flew here for a time. Anyone know how long they were here and why they left? Perhaps it was just around the time of the Olympics back in the 90s?

I'm trying to get an idea of how much of an international market already existed before DL started flying the routes vs. how much has just been DL expanding.

40 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

I flew Varig to Sao Paulo in 1995. It wasn't long after that Delta took over the route. At the time Varig was part of Sky Team then joined Star Alliance.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 1):
I flew Varig to Sao Paulo in 1995. It wasn't long after that Delta took over the route. At the time Varig was part of SkyTeam then joined Star Alliance.

Varig was never part of SkyTeam. Although they weren't a founding member of Star Alliance they joiined very soon after it was created (the same year, 1997). SkyTeam didn't even exist then.


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Other than the ones you mentioned I remember Cayman Airways used to serve ATL as well. If you wanted to you could also count British Caledonian, but it's a stretch.


"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

I believe Austrian did for a while when DL-SQ-SR-OS were in an alliance of sorts.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

there are not many int'l airlines that can make their flights work if they don't cooperate w/ DL. that is probably the list worth writing.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2240 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3078 times:

I flew SR in 1996/1997 from ATL-ZRH and return on a 747-300. I recall going through immigration in ATL and there were also a SN flight from BRU and a RG flight from GRU that both came in. I also think Alitalia once served ATL in the mid-late 1990's.

There were few foreign flag carriers that served ATL which didn't have any partnerships with SA)">DL, and those included BA, LH, KL, plus a few Latin America/Caribbean carriers, and you are right that a lot of those that DID serve ATL like SA, KE, SR, SN, AM, RG, did so because of partnerships with Delta, and Delta would not send its own metal on routes to places like ZRH, SEL, etc from ATL. When I was in ZRH, I noticed that the only Delta flight was to CVG on a 763 because the ATL flight was code share with SR. A few years later, Delta started flying to ZRH from ATL and soon became the only carrier linking those two markets once SR folded.



next flights: jfk-icn, icn-hkg-bkk-cdg, cdg-phl-msp
User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3020 times:

In no order, and I may be missing some:
Cayman Airways
ALM-Antillean
British Caledonian(BA now serves this route)
South African
JAL
Varig
LAPA
Sabena
Swissair
Austrian
Air Jamaica(on again off again....I think they still operate)
Allegro(charters)
Mexicana(charters)
LTU(charters......I believe it was an intermediate stop)



CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting Tu154m (Reply 7):
Air Jamaica(on again off again....I think they still operate)

ATL was never an on/off again route for JM. JM have been flying to ATL daily for many years now and even had two daily flights at one point. JM 057 & JM 059 the latter being the current daily one.



greenheart
User currently offline611ATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Didn't Aero Costa Rica serve ATL for a while in the mid 90s? I remember seeing their crews riding the train between concourses, but it may have been another airport...

User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

I stand corrected since Sky Team did not come into existence until 2000. I do remember Varig being a partner with Delta at the time and I believe they shared miles. I remember something about Varig "divorcing" Delta and partnering with United. I didn't realize the "teams" were so young til now. Thanks for making me do my homework!

User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2844 times:



Quoting Delta763 (Thread starter):
why they left

Well, the Gulf War in the early '90's, and the drop in traffic took its toll, but 9/11 saw them off in a big way. Some important ones never returned.



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2818 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 10):
I stand corrected since Sky Team did not come into existence until 2000. I do remember Varig being a partner with Delta at the time and I believe they shared miles. I remember something about Varig "divorcing" Delta and partnering with United. I didn't realize the "teams" were so young til now. Thanks for making me do my homework!

Delta was partnered with TransBrasil and LAN at one time, but I don't recall DL ever being partnered with RG. I won't say it never happened though.


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Pan Am had DC-8s and later 747s operated by Delta crews on through-plane flights to Europe. There might have been joint Braniff/Eastern through planes to South America as well (not sure on that one).

Though not scheduled, Aeroflot sent an IL-86 to Atlanta on a Friendship Force charter in the 80s; it was quite a big deal at the time. British also had a number of Concorde Atlanta charters.


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Bahamasair used to fly 737s to NAS. They were ground handled by Piedmont. My very first flight was in Dec 1978 on Sabena ATL to BRU. It was a 707 nonstop and the jet fuel continues to burn thru my veins!  Smile

Just remembered that ATL had Aeropostal that flew MD-80s from ATL-AUA-CCS.



Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Austral flew to ATL for about a week didnt they??

User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

If you mean Austral of Argentina, then no... LAPA with 767 nonstops flew to EZE before DL entered the route. Austrian (OS) did in fact serve ATL-VIE when the early alliance of DL-SQ-SR-SN-OS was briefly together. They were only here for maybe 6 months. A shame because OS is a great airline.


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2490 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 13):
Pan Am had DC-8s and later 747s operated by Delta crews on through-plane flights to Europe.

Actually, it was Pan Am crews operating DL metal on an interchange basis. They served both LHR and FRA.





View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mick West
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mick West




"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

I worked at ATL from 90-92 on the secure int'l concourse (T-gates).

During that time Aeropostal was serving ATL and the earlier post about LTU flights stopping in ATL was correct (from DUS to C. America and back). I loved the LTU crews - always great...



I want to live in an old and converted 727...
User currently offlineSparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Pan Ams DC-8s were the original equipment on the interchange with Delta.When Pan Am disposed of their DC-8s,Delta bought some of them and used them on the interchange and some domestic routes.Pan Am 747s were also used at times on this route.
Sparky


User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

I think Varig had an agreement with Delta by that time and shortly after it joined Star alliance. If I´m not mistaken it was a daily flight with a 767-300 (at least at some point) and it was around 1994-1996. By the end RG also extended the flight to IAD. Around the time RG dropped ATL, DL launched flights to Brazil.

User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

I forget how young these alliances are. We moved to Brazil over 13 years ago, before the time of any airline alliances. I do remember RG and DL having an agreement b/c we accrued DL miles on RG flights. I also remember being saddened when they stopped the agreement, thus Sky Team and others were born. Sure miss the OLD Varig!!

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2223 times:



Quoting Sparky35805 (Reply 19):
Pan Ams DC-8s were the original equipment on the interchange with Delta.When Pan Am disposed of their DC-8s,Delta bought some of them and used them on the interchange and some domestic routes.Pan Am 747s were also used at times on this route.

These DC-8's were the -33's....there were 7 of them, purchased in '68 and sold to Boeing in '74.
When they were sold, we started using the 747's.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineA999 From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

These DC-8's were the -33's....there were 7 of them, purchased in '68 and sold to Boeing in '74.
When they were sold, we started using the 747's.

N8038A Msn45256 ex N803PA Clipper Mandarin
N8148A 45267 N814PA Clipper Caroline
N8166A 45269 N816PA Clipper East Indian
N8170A 45270 N817PA Clipper Derby
N8184A 45271 N818PA Clipper Rambler
plus
N8016 45254
N8027 45255

For some reason all ex-PA birds were listed as DC-8-32 whatever the differance might be......


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2119 times:



Quoting A999 (Reply 23):
For some reason all ex-PA birds were listed as DC-8-32 whatever the differance might be......

In my Delta books, they are listed as -33's.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 DeltaL1011man : didn't they have ORY flights also?
26 Mayor : My mistake....it was LHR and ORY.....not FRA.
27 Rookinla : You can add Nigeria Airways to that list. They used DC10s to serve ATL-LOS back in the 80s.
28 Viscount724 : Pan Am took delivery of a mix of DC-8-32s and -33s. The -32s were eventually modified to -33 standard as they came due for major maintenance visits.
29 MAH4546 : Non-stop? Nigeria Airways had some wierd routing to the U.S. back in the late 70s/80s. Their Miami route was via Port of Spain, of all places. And I
30 Rookinla : I really don't remember if it was non stop or via another point like DKR. I do know that it was not a tag on to any other US or Caribbean city.
31 AirJamaica : Weird routing indeed.
32 SCL767 : That's very interesting that we had Nigeria Airways on the POS-MIA run, I have never heard of Nigeria Airways serving POS in the past.
33 MAH4546 : They also flew to Caracas, Chicago, and Kingston during their peak.
34 SCL767 : That's very interesting indeed, I never knew that, another airline that served POS that's never mentioned, there's so many.
35 MAH4546 : Miami was routed Lagos-Monrovia-Port of Spain-Miami vv. New York was Lagos-Accra-Monrovia-New York vv and Lagos-Monrovia-New York-Monrovia-Abidjan-La
36 SCL767 : Thanks for the routing, off the subject a bit but do you know how SAS operated at POS?
37 Globalflyer : I do not believe that Nigeria Airways ever served ATL. Maybe a charter but we have never seen scheduled service. Back in the late 80s there was a loca
38 Rookinla : They did serve ATL. The signs were in the terminal, they had a staffed ticket counter and I saw their DC10s operating the flight on numerous occasion
39 Globalflyer : Michael that is very Interesting. Was this at the old ATL terminal? I know for certain that Nigeria Airways never served the current terminal that wen
40 Rookinla : It was the new terminal but...Nigeria was definitely not there at the opening of the terminal...It was after that. I would love to get a hold of a tim
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
International Carriers In The U.S. posted Sun Dec 31 2006 06:25:34 by JetJeanes
DOT Market Data: No More International Carriers? posted Tue Oct 3 2006 21:37:26 by MaverickM11
American Pilots Flying For International Carriers. posted Mon Aug 28 2006 19:27:25 by KingAirMan
New ORD International Carriers? posted Sun Jul 16 2006 08:09:49 by Mkeflyer717
International Carriers At BOS posted Mon Mar 20 2006 08:42:26 by Zrs70
International Carriers Flying To Colombia? posted Sat Oct 8 2005 16:19:44 by Aces727
Largest International Carriers From NYC DL Is 4th? posted Thu Oct 6 2005 03:41:57 by Nycfuturepilot
International Carriers And Their Employees At IAD posted Tue May 17 2005 00:53:02 by Erj145lr
ATL International Arrivals - Why Security Twice? posted Fri Mar 26 2004 11:46:44 by GBOAC
International Carriers In Denver posted Thu Mar 25 2004 01:04:09 by Cjuniel