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Continental Looking At Four Used 777's?  
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4057 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18646 times:

Due to the delivery delays on our triples and 787's there is a memo circulating that we are looking at 4 used 777's.

As they would be 'non standard' aircraft the rumour is they would go to Guam and replace the all the 764 flying between there and Hnl plus Japan service, freeing up the -400's for expanded European service.

Supposedly these are 'older' aircraft which seems to eliminate AZ, any ideas where these could come from ?


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18649 times:

Necessarily with GE?

SQ will soon start passing on 772ERs with RR...


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4057 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18586 times:

Well, no information was given on Engine type ,their intention is to keep them in Guam, separate from and not mixing with the rest of the fleet.

If you follow that logic I don't think engine type matters as commonality is not a factor.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21413 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18486 times:

Isn't 4 too many for this? Of course, they could always start LAX-GUM…  Wink


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

I've got ten dollars on ex-Varig aircraft. Pratts, I believe.
Not that I'd actually pay out to any of you.... but still.
I can't think of anyone else that has 777s lying around to get rid of, unless it's United. Hmmmm.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 18242 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
I can't think of anyone else that has 777s lying around to get rid of, unless it's United. Hmmmm.

Go to your room.  Big grin


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3196 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18173 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
can't think of anyone else that has 777s lying around to get rid of, unless it's United. Hmmmm

I wonder if they'd be interested in the -300 (non ER verson?) because given the downturn, plus the fact that EK is busy getting lots of new 77Ws with their new interior... i wonder if they wouldn't mind off loading a few of their earlier -300s?

I could see a few european routes CO could use it on (like LHR). Other then that Im thinking like everybody else, the SQ birds.
What about the indian carriers? Any of them slightly over committed at the moment and may wish to offload a few?


User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 498 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 18073 times:

Well if they are going to GUM the flight attendants out there all have to get qualified on the T7 ( now they are only qualified on the the 737/767) and they have no door trainer..
Also a flight from LAX to GUM would have to be staffed with Mainline FA's. If i understand it correctly any flights coming or going from the continental united states has to be staffed with mainline flight attendants...



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17939 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Go to your room.

What?
Why?
But you guys just let me out yesterday!

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
Other then that Im thinking like everybody else, the SQ birds.

Hadn't thought of that. I'd assume that the SQ birds are probably in very good shape, considering their reputation for maintenance.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17905 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
I've got ten dollars on ex-Varig aircraft. Pratts, I believe.

Although most of the ex-RG fleet took years to be reabsorbed by other carriers, all have had their fates sealed for the time being:

2 x -200ER > AM (GE-powered)
2 x -200ER (ex-UA) > UN (PW-powered)
2 x -200A (ex-UA) > UN (PW-powered)
1 x -200A (ex-BA) > Gabon gov't (GE-powered)
1 x -200A (ex-BA) > Scrapped at ARG (GE-powered)

Real shame about that last one...  Sad

Best regards,

ZXV



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User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17797 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Isn't 4 too many for this?

Well, recall that HNL-NGO/LAX were also 764s that were pulled for LHR.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17717 times:



Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
As they would be 'non standard' aircraft the rumour is they would go to Guam and replace the all the 764 flying between there and Hnl plus Japan service, freeing up the -400's for expanded European service.

The planes may be coming, but the rumor makes little economic sense for Continental given the airline operate any number of routes ex-EWR/IAH that did or ought to offer 777-type capacity but cannot due to a lack of equipment.



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User currently offlinePSAelectra From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17473 times:

Read in an aviation magazine a few months back that China Southern was looking to off-load four (4) 777-200's, but the article mentioned they were not ER versions. Must be A-market birds. Perhaps these would fit Continental's need for mid-Pacific operations.

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3204 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17335 times:

Would be good if we could see a 764 on the MAN-EWR route, free up 2 757's too...


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16746 times:

Maybe this will free up a 767-200 for CLE-FRA.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16725 times:
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Quoting Avek00 (Reply 11):
The planes may be coming, but the rumor makes little economic sense for Continental given the airline operate any number of routes ex-EWR/IAH that did or ought to offer 777-type capacity but cannot due to a lack of equipment.

It may be more of a factor that these aircraft are obtainable at a lower cost and, if they are based at GUM, reduce the subfleet issues. Plus, the 777 provide valuable additional cargo space that is key for profits to/from GUM and HNL.

So, IMHO, it does seem to make business sense as these aircraft could provide additional seats and cargo lift while freeing up 764s for use in TATL operations which in turn free up 772s for new TPAC service.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16624 times:

They could go to the desert and kick some tires of the UA aircraft there and see if there are any low mileage models available for a test drive.

Quoting CAL (Reply 7):
Well if they are going to GUM the flight attendants out there all have to get qualified on the T7 ( now they are only qualified on the the 737/767) and they have no door trainer..

They won't take to long to train on how to open the door, I'm certain that when they settle on a 777 they want they will be able to bring the F/A's up to speed.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16688 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16602 times:



Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
As they would be 'non standard' aircraft the rumour is they would go to Guam and replace the all the 764 flying between there and Hnl plus Japan service, freeing up the -400's for expanded European service.

Makes sense, the A model 777-200 or 777-300 would be ideal for the Guam-Japan-Hawaii route, might even bring back wide bodies to HNL-LAX.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Isn't 4 too many for this? Of course, they could always start LAX-GUM

Four is the right number, when CO was operating their 747-200s up to their retirement in '99-'00 they had four 747-200s operating GUM-NRT 2xs, Guam-HNL and HNL-LAX (3-4xs weekly). Also I believe there are four 767-400s in their "Pacific configuration".



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16544 times:

Emirates have some older 772s which will surely be sold quite soon as so many new aircraft are joining the fleet. SQ, as mentioned, too. All these are RR-powered, though.

User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16370 times:

Cathay is looking to offload their B777-200. Cathay has a fleet of 5 B777-200 and these aircraft are non-ER version with RR Trent800 engines.

Rumor has it that the first aircraft will leave the fleet early to mid next year. So the possibility of coming from CX is actually quite high.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6531 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16114 times:

B-HNB is due to leave the CX fleet in March with the rest gone within a year or so....but there are 5, not 4.

How far is Guam? These 777s are maxed out on weight for around an 8 hr flight because they are not ERs.


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15843 times:

What's the possibility that these are the ex United birds that are currently flying with Air India? Given that AI has received a lot of additional lift recently and capped its expansion due to huge losses, it might have decided to return the aircraft as they are on lease. I believe that there are 4 in total (all PW) 3 of which are ERs and one A model.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15699 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 16):
They could go to the desert and kick some tires of the UA aircraft there and see if there are any low mileage models available for a test drive.

There are no UA 777s or 767s in the desert, now if they are interested in a few 747s that UA is in the process of retiring they may be able to go after those...



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User currently offlineLdyflyer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

There was talk of china southern selling 4 777 200 although unsure of engine type.Wilkipedia says they are to be sold for what that is worth.These are older 777 non er models so may be quite cheap to buy espically with cathy pacific selling theirs

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2355 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15016 times:

How many 76H aircraft are remaining? I know at least one was reconfigured back to 35J/200Y after the HNL-NGO route was dumped.

I would also offer that perhaps these aircraft could operate the GUM-IAH-HNL route, bring IAH-HNL down to one daily flight, and free up two 764s, in addition to LAX-HNL, GUM-NRT, and perhaps bring HNL-NGO back. This could add at least 3 767-400ERs back into the mainland system, perhaps a fourth, and allow CO to increase capacity (esp. cargo) in the Pacific system. HNL-GUM is far and away CO's highest-grossing 'domestic' route.

This could be a good strategic move if the price is right.


25 B742 : China Southern has a total of 10 777-200s in total. It would be safe to assume that the 21Bs are to be sold (if true) and not the 21B/ER's. B-2051 B-
26 CALPSAFltSkeds : Bingo: It takes 3 units to operate the below routing, but the utilization is 15:05 per day average. IAH-HNL-GUM (On ground in GUM 1745-0635) GUM-NRT-
27 LHR777 : Really? LHR doesn't have 767-400ER service. Only 2 x 777 and 2 x 767-200, changing to 3 x 777 and 2 x 757 on October 25th.
28 Hiflyer : If this is true then a 77A RR subfleet could be more preferable due to close third party mtc facilities out in that area. A deal with SQ could involve
29 Tommy767 : CO should go after some more 777s. For such an internationally diverse carrier, they have a pathetically low amount of 777s.
30 FlyTUITravel : I'm betting its the CZ aircraft.
31 FlyDreamliner : The important thing to remember about the CO 777 fleet is that as configured, every 777 must be able to fly every 777 route - it calls for total inter
32 NA : If CX is selling its 772s, the 777-prototype is on the market! This aircraft was re-engined from Pratts to Rolls-Royces after the test phase and went
33 Dutchflyboi : I don't believe that this is covered in our contract
34 Tommy767 : Have to agree with you there. Compared to AA, those 777s are always being run throughout the system some extremely long haul routes.
35 STT757 : That's an odd comment considering CO has more than double the 777 fleet of DL, CO has 20 777-200ERs currently in the fleet with 8 more on order begin
36 Tommy767 : DL has near triple the amount of 767s that CO has, hence flying them to european desinations that CO uses the 752 on. CO could most definately use mo
37 CALPSAFltSkeds : I believe the proposed aircraft would be a subfleet. CO already runs a subfleet of 764 aircraft to offer higher density in Economy on Hawaiian/Pacifi
38 Nwarooster : My guess is Boeing will buy them and lease them to CO at a bargain rate. Also, CO will not have an interest in any 747s
39 STT757 : You didn't preface your comments by saying Wide bodies, you specifically mentioned 777s.
40 COGlobeTrotter : CO currently does maintenance on their 777's in HKG, so maintenance for their GUM based 777s shouldn't be a problem.
41 Hiflyer : Bingo! Of course the availability of used frames is a problem with Boeing on strike stopping delivery on new ac so some carriers are going to have to
42 Jfk777 : Alitalia would be one place GE90 powered 777 might be available from. AF could see some ealy 777's leave its fleet soon too.
43 Lambert747 : That is to much capacity for the routes being thought of to and from the GUM markets. However the one off would be as mentioned above the addition of
44 WunalaYann : It would probably be worth looking into the re-rating of SQ's regional 77Es. I seem to recall that the current de-rating is basically only electronic
45 Drerx7 : So basically we could see this subfleet running: IAH-HNL-GUM, HNL-EWR, GUM-NRT, LAX-HNL? I wish they would bring IAH-OGG back.
46 YULWinterSkies : Even if those four aircraft remain based at GUM? Because I have the feeling that used 772ER with GEs are hard to find at the moment. Unless there is
47 Dampfnudel : In this economy, I don't think so.
48 PanAm788 : Personally, I doubt it wil happen. Not to many airlines are increasing their fleets, let alone buying four widebodies for temporary use. CO would be t
49 ADXMatt : We have 8 T7 on order and need 2 by March for PVG. If Boeing is delaying deliveries due to the strike then it is quite possible that there is talk go
50 Ikramerica : 12th largest operator in the world, with 8 more on order, and if they take these 4, that would add up to 32 777s in the fleet, making them the 10th l
51 Manfredj : Based on the way CO does business, I highly doubt they would opt for anything that wouldn't meld with their other triples. To make this acquisition w
52 SpdBrdConcorde : BA has a few GE90 powered 772ERs and since they are planning to to get the 77W...maybe they could lease some of 772ERs to CO
53 FlyDreamliner : Are those 77E's or 77A's? I also thought that BA was a bit short on lift? Maybe with airlines cutting back, it will free up a few. CO definitely want
54 AAH732UAL : Wait..... how are they going to start new service like DTW? Unless they have more on order. Prolly not, word around UA is that only 2 of the orginal
55 Carpethead : In the not too distant future, CO will be a Star Alliance carrier and can codeshare with NH & UA on anything from Japan including the lucrative NRT ma
56 Pellegrine : BA has 3 777-236s (G-ZZZA, G-ZZZB, G-ZZZC) powered by GE90-76B and 15 (AFAIK) 777-236ERs powered by GE90-85B, the rest of the fleet are GE90-90B and
57 DeltaL1011man : read above they will stay in GUM........no need to be able to fly EWR-Asia. My guess is the CZ 772As. 787
58 AAH732UAL : O yeah I forgot about that..... don't they also have a few A380s on order...... As mush as I dislike that plane, it would be cool to see it at DTW.
59 CALPSAFltSkeds : It's possible that CO is looking for tide over aircraft until the additional 772ER and 787s come in. A short term type deal where they can rope off 4
60 CODC10 : CO has a hangar at HNL capable of handling a 777, and I'm sure it has a line mx facility at GUM as well. Besides training mechanics and stocking spar
61 Ikramerica : Well, CO has kept the subfleet of 764s for quite a while, so if this is true, I don't see any reason to jetison these 777s any time soon. Even plain
62 ThePalauan : There was also GUM-NGO and GUM-KIX that saw 742 services. If we get 772s, GUM-HNL is for sure (and probably even with the return of flights 72/73 for
63 Frigatebird : Doubt that very much, they have 4 77E's on order for expansion, and dont forget they've written one off earlier this year. And the 77W's are still 2
64 CODC10 : True, but there is a difference between having a facility stocked with the people and parts for line maintenance of daily 777 operations, and simply
65 CX flyboy : Actually I have found out that it is not on the market. Part of the deal when CX bought N7771 from Boeing was that when CX was finished with it, it w
66 FUN2FLY : Max - any timing mentioned in the memo? CO needs 2 777's in March for PVG. With ships 21, 22 coming in Aug (prestrike delivery dates) CO would need to
67 MCOflyer : I believe they are either the CX772A or China Southern 772A aircraft. Its not the first time a US carrier has done this. HA bought 4 ex 767-332 models
68 DeltaL1011man : Not sure but I'm pretty sure the PR said it would be a 787.
69 FlyPBA : I would assume that these birds will be also be used to help handle the transition of the US Armed Forces that are moving from Japan to Guam ...
70 Drerx7 : I wish the 762s would be converted into a higher density configuration for leisure duties once enough 787s come online. It would make a decent 'beach'
71 Slider : Ah- thanks for the breakdown...I knew they had GE and PW mixed powerplants....thought I was going crazy there. LMAO! Cleveland is so cute. Sorry, dre
72 COSPN : a smart move would be to re open GUM-OKA
73 CX Flyboy : Don't confuse ETOPS with ER standards. I am not sure about the China Southern ones, but certainly the CX 777-200As operate ETOPS flights, it is just
74 Fyano773 : It's been briefly rumored here in MEX that one of these birds will join AM's fleet by 1st or 2nd quarter of 2009 for the MEX-GRU route. All of them a
75 Nicholaschee : They are currently electronically derated to 884s so getting them to 892s will just be dollars and cents.
76 FUN2FLY : Anyone have an update on this? CO did not mention in their Q3 release today, but did cut two 772er deliveries they desparately need in 2009. Strange m
77 Slider : They are deferred from 2009 to 2010. That's the only detail given in the announcement. Also, 16 narrowbodies that were slated for 2009 and 2010 are d
78 MasseyBrown : These planes were scheduled for August of 09 delivery; the new 2010 delivery date could well come in the spring, timed to avoid the 2009 winter traff
79 Drerx7 : So that seals the fate of the parked TZ 753s. I'm hoping that they do go ahead and acquire these extra 777s from somewhere.
80 CLE757 : Yeah, thats what they said right before CDG and LGW were announcent
81 Slider : You mean LGW service that is going bye-bye?
82 ADXMatt : It's been mentioned several times in official releases that we will still serve LGW seasonally from CLE. CLE-LGW will be back in the summer.
83 Slider : As far as you know. But think hard about that one...why would LGW continue when the eventual feed, beyond conx and bulk of traffic is at LHR? Not to
84 CLE757 : Yes it will along with CDG.
85 Atlanta : Four would be a nice capacity boost. CLE-FRA sounds like it would work with good LH/ *A feeds on each end.
86 Ikramerica : As I said when they became available, there was no hurry on this as nobody else wanted them, but that there was no way that CO would let these get aw
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