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Frontier: More Q400's, Fare Structure Change, Etc  
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6651 times:
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Sean Menke laid out some territory at the Boyd Aviation conference in Apsen:

10 more Q400's is already known, but there may be more beyond that:

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/10/06/daily9.html

Bizjournals: “We are exercising options for 10 more and looking at picking up additional aircraft,” Menke said at The Boyd Group Aviation Summit in Aspen — a three-day conference hosted by Evergreen-based The Boyd Group, an aviation consulting firm".

The fare structure change is discussed, but not in detail - it will be more broad ranging, I believe:

As well as possibly extending he alliance with Airtran - and/or others:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...hage-fare-structure-seek-partners/

RMN: "The Denver-based airline hopes to unroll a new fare structure by the end of this year and has stepped up talks with other low-cost carriers about teaming up for marketing and frequent flier deals, Sean Menke, Frontier's chief executive officer, said today after speaking at an aviation conference in Aspen."

 Smile

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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6592 times:



Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):
The fare structure change is discussed, but not in detail

Menke implemented Air Canada's unbundling while there, so you can bet he's trying to do the same at Frontier. You won't like this answer, but the presence of Southwest Airlines in the Denver market is going to make that strategy much, much harder. If Southwest continues not to charge fees and Frontier starts charging for frequent flyer miles, etc. I think it will be a bad decision. Air Canada can do that because they dominate the market. Their share must be 65+%. Frontier's is maybe 25% in Denver now if you look just at current frequency share? On the plus side, at last week's pow-wow in Dallas, Southwest said they would reverse their stance on fees if "customers don't vote with their feet".

Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):
10 more Q400's is already known, but there may be more beyond that:

Based upon the reported results for Lynx they can't be planning to expand the F9 coded operation by double, they must have a partner interested in an ASM purchase contract which would be great news.

As for AirTran, I think Frontier is probably a lot more interested in that than AirTran. AirTran is very conservative financially. I don't think they will invest another nickel or take another iota of risk on Frontier until they have emerged from Ch11. Of course, Frontier could provide collateral or pay 100% of any new developments...

BTW, where is the traffic/PRASM release? It seems late.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
. You won't like this answer, but the presence of Southwest Airlines in the Denver market is going to make that strategy much, much harder.

I seldom do like your answers - what's new?

To me, it seems that Frontier is - at last - doing the thing they should have done some time ago, and the critical target isn't Southwest.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
Based upon the reported results for Lynx they can't be planning to expand the F9 coded operation by double, they must have a partner interested in an ASM purchase contract which would be great news.

I learned, long ago, not to make predictions. If they are planning more Q400's than the 10 optioned aircraft, they could easily do both.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
As for AirTran, I think Frontier is probably a lot more interested in that than AirTran.

Hmmmm? I seem to remember Airtran discussing it as a good thing before the Chapter 11 filing.

Even if Airtran and/or Frontier wants to wait until emergence, it's still a good idea.  confused 

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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6527 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
Based upon the reported results for Lynx they can't be planning to expand the F9 coded operation by double, they must have a partner interested in an ASM purchase contract which would be great news.

Well, we don't really know that. There are lots of Airbus routes that could be replaced or supplemented with the Q400's - SLC, ABQ, OMA, OKC - Heck, even MCI. What about seasonal JAC or starting EGE, MSO, SUN, AMA, etc? That would free up the Airbus to operate other markets.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
As for AirTran, I think Frontier is probably a lot more interested in that than AirTran. AirTran is very conservative financially. I don't think they will invest another nickel or take another iota of risk on Frontier until they have emerged from Ch11.

We don't know this either. I guess I am confused. How is FL investing any nickels in F9? A codeshare (LCC alliance) is low risk for both airlines and doubles each airline's route map and geographic coverage.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5027 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6512 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
Menke implemented Air Canada's unbundling while there, so you can bet he's trying to do the same at Frontier. You won't like this answer, but the presence of Southwest Airlines in the Denver market is going to make that strategy much, much harder. If Southwest continues not to charge fees and Frontier starts charging for frequent flyer miles, etc. I think it will be a bad decision. Air Canada can do that because they dominate the market. Their share must be 65+%. Frontier's is maybe 25% in Denver now if you look just at current frequency share? On the plus side, at last week's pow-wow in Dallas, Southwest said they would reverse their stance on fees if "customers don't vote with their feet".

Menke is doing what is best for the airline. Simplifying it, and making the airline more viable to handle competition. Simplification is important, just as it is seen as a way for the airline to practice becoming leaner. Menke is not running F9 like he did with Air Canada. Also with oil down below $90 today, one has to wonder about the potential of hedging.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
I seldom do like your answers - what's new?

I have to join you on that one.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6496 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
Hmmmm? I seem to remember Airtran discussing it as a good thing before the Chapter 11 filing.

The key word is "before".

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
Even if Airtran and/or Frontier wants to wait until emergence, it's still a good idea.

Yes. I don't doubt that is what will happen. I wouldn't expect code share and some joint handling at stations.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
To me, it seems that Frontier is - at last - doing the thing they should have done some time ago, and the critical target isn't Southwest.

I would argue that the reason WN has had such a tough time getting the DEN originating customer has been Frontier's offering of TV, seat assignments and a better frequent flyer program. If you take two of those away it will hurt. Keep in mind that business travelers usually have to buy the lowest fares so they will not be able to pay extra for seat assignments or frequent flyer miles.


User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6478 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 5):
I wouldn't expect code

Wouldn't or would?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6426 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 5):
The key word is "before".

No, it isn't.

Mr. Menke is laying out a long term plan - thinking beyond Chapter 11. He isn't saying anything is going to happen tomorrow.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 5):
If you take two of those away it will hurt.

Who is taking them away? It is difficult to discuss until Frontier has announced what they are actually going to do, but I hear rumors that, at least in one case, it won't be unbundling, but rebundling.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 5):
Keep in mind that business travelers usually have to buy the lowest fares so they will not be able to pay extra for seat assignments or frequent flyer miles.

Keep in my mind that sensible accounts department will look at the total cost of travel, not just the specific fare.

mariner



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6418 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 3):

Well, we don't really know that.

None of us do. a.net is 99.9% speculation.  Smile

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 3):
There are lots of Airbus routes that could be replaced or supplemented with the Q400's

They told the Teamsters last week in a court filing that they planned to grow the fleet that IBT maintains; which would mean more Airbus.

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 3):
I guess I am confused. How is FL investing any nickels in F9? A codeshare (LCC alliance) is low risk for both airlines and doubles each airline's route map and geographic coverage.

Airline employees know the costs are large to implement a code share. For example, Frontier is on Sabre and AirTran is on Navitaire. Sabre is a legacy GDS and Navitaire is a Unix based hybrid system and quite a bit of programming (=money) will be needed to make them able to exchange even basic info like seat assignments, much less Menke's new unbundling capabilities. If you have booked AirTran on Frontier's website now you have noticed that it just passes you through to AirTran's website. That's the cheapo way to have an alliance with no code share.

Also code shares require signage and optimally co-location at common airports. Both of those can cost an enormous amount of money, particularly the latter. How would you like to show up at the Humphrey Terminal in MSP for your AirTran flight only to find out it is operated by Frontier out of Lindbergh Terminal which would almost certainly result in you missing your flight?


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6392 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
it won't be unbundling, but rebundling.

If they are adding features then it's a different story.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
Keep in my mind that sensible accounts department will look at the total cost of travel, not just the specific fare.

"Sensible accounting departments" are never going to allow an employee to use $5 of their money so that he/she is eligible to collect frequent flyer miles. I would even argue that borders on stealing from the company since it is an overt transfer of value from the company to the employee through the expense report process. The problem is that if that happens then F9 loses the value of its FFP as a loyalty tool. Hopefully, they won't do that as they did at Air Canada.

F9 is not alone is this issue. AA is hinting they will do it as well. If it all comes to pass then it will be a major boon to new entrants since the value of FFPs is being devalued by the day and at some point the customer will consider them value-less.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6342 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 8):
They told the Teamsters last week in a court filing that they planned to grow the fleet that IBT maintains; which would mean more Airbus.

That was known some time ago, it isn't new.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
If they are adding features then it's a different story.

So why not wait and see, rather than dumping on what you think/speculate will happen?

This is my puzzle. You keeping asking us not to think you are being negative, but you tend to put the most negative interpretation on anything about Frontier.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
"Sensible accounting departments" are never going to allow an employee to use $5 of their money so that he/she is eligible to collect frequent flyer miles.

Then we have dealt with different accounting departments. If the additional FF miles are bundled in with a fare that may include "allowable" goodies, then I know many that would allow it.

I now regretting that I started this thread.

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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6298 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 8):
code shares require signage and optimally co-location at common airports. Both of those can cost an enormous amount of money, particularly the latter. How would you like to show up at the Humphrey Terminal in MSP for your AirTran flight only to find out it is operated by Frontier out of Lindbergh Terminal which would almost certainly result in you missing your flight?

I agree with the GDS issues. However, I don't know if the co-location at common airports will be that big a problem. The only airports I see that F9 and FL are in different terminals is FLL, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL and TPA. DCA, MCO and PHX aren't an issue for local passengers as both airlines are in common ticket lobbies but connecting passengers would have to go through security. We know DEN isn't a problem.

The plus side is the numerous markets that are only covered by the one airline -

FL - EWR, PIT, PWM, BOS, PHF, CLT, RDU, PBI, RSW, PNS, GPT, MSY, CHS, etc. etc. etc.

F9 - GEG, SNA, BOI, OMA, ASE, ANC, COS, YVR, SLC, TUS, OKC, RAP, FAR, PDX, etc. etc. etc.



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User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Quote:
Menke said Frontier could look to expand its current partnership with AirTran. Under that agreement the two carriers market each others' flights, and passengers can earn and redeem frequent flier miles on either airline. Frontier also is looking to nail down similar deals with other carriers.

It sounds like Menke is interested in much more than expanding the FL - F9 partnership. I wonder who else he's thinking of along these lines. He has been in New York an awful lot lately, speaking of Navitaire....

[Edited 2008-10-06 18:46:30]


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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6190 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):

That was known some time ago, it isn't new.

I meant that they can't transfer a lot of routes from mainline to Q400s and at the same time expand the mainline fleet without a new non-Denver initiative IMHO...you have hinted at such a thing haven't you?

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 11):
I agree with the GDS issues.

The other issue is the traffic liability. When you buy a ticket on FL that is operated by F9, FL is legally obligated to provide you transportation to your destination. If F9 goes belly up then FL is in trouble because if it were to happen in a peak or just before a peak they would have to buy tickets on other airlines at higher prices than they charged the customer initially. The other problem is that F9 would also be selling tickets on FL. F9 holds that money until after the passenger has traveled on FL. If F9 liquidates, FL would be behind, at a minimum, all super-priority and secured claims which probably means they would get less than 100 cents on the dollar for the claim.

I don't think they will touch that risk until after they emerge unless F9 posts collateral.


User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6157 times:



Quoting Petteri (Reply 12):
It sounds like Menke is interested in much more than expanding the FL - F9 partnership. I wonder who else he's thinking of along these lines.

It doesn't leave that many other LCC's - JetBlue (JFK connections), Spirit (FLL/DTW connections) or Virgin America. It seems unlikely to me that the other LCC airlines would want a menage a trois.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6119 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
"Sensible accounting departments" are never going to allow an employee to use $5 of their money so that he/she is eligible to collect frequent flyer miles. I would even argue that borders on stealing from the company since it is an overt transfer of value from the company to the employee through the expense report process.

I've done a lot of travel the past couple of months under a number of different companies' expense policies, and I have not yet had any trouble getting reimbursed for ancillary fees. Will that change? Perhaps, but the "sensible accounting departments" have not yet changed.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6091 times:
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Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 14):
It seems unlikely to me that the other LCC airlines would want a menage a trois.

If I had my druthers, I would love to see the long-discussed code share with Hawaiian. With - or without - Airtran.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6082 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
I've done a lot of travel the past couple of months under a number of different companies' expense policies, and I have not yet had any trouble getting reimbursed for ancillary fees. Will that change? Perhaps, but the "sensible accounting departments" have not yet changed.

Have you tried to get reimbursed specifically for a "Frequent Flyer" mile fee? It would have to be on Air Canada. I think they are alone in doing it.

My policy doesn't even allow for bag check fees, although it is under review. Right now they are telling me not to check bags. Fun, huh?


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6073 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):

If I had my druthers, I would love to see the long-discussed code share with Hawaiian.

That would be nice. Denver has a much tighter affinity with Hawaii than other markets like Dallas or Minneapolis. I think Denver is probably the dividing line between East and West psychologically and it is firmly on the Western side.

Does Hawaiian have extra aircraft that are hot/high capable in the pipeline?


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6055 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 17):
Have you tried to get reimbursed specifically for a "Frequent Flyer" mile fee? It would have to be on Air Canada. I think they are alone in doing it.

Not specifically, but I've had a couple of folks tell me something along the lines of "we understand that there are fees. Just keep receipts and we'll reimburse whatever."



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6055 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
Menke implemented Air Canada's unbundling while there, so you can bet he's trying to do the same at Frontier. You won't like this answer, but the presence of Southwest Airlines in the Denver market is going to make that strategy much, much harder. If Southwest continues not to charge fees and Frontier starts charging for frequent flyer miles, etc. I think it will be a bad decision. Air Canada can do that because they dominate the market. Their share must be 65+%. Frontier's is maybe 25% in Denver now if you look just at current frequency share? On the plus side, at last week's pow-wow in Dallas, Southwest said they would reverse their stance on fees if "customers don't vote with their feet".

AA is also talking about a la carte pricing.
Starting next year, American, which led a stampede by U.S. carriers to charge customers for checking even a single suitcase, plans to imitate the a la carte pricing structure pioneered by Air Canada, airline officials say. There are likely to be a few basic fare plans, and travelers can pick additional services — for a fee.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...american-airlines-unbundling_N.htm

And WN says it won't "rule out fees in the future."

I think it is a wave that will spread very quickly.



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6056 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):
I would love to see the long-discussed code share with Hawaiian.

Me too. Frontier serves every HA west coast gateway except for OAK.

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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Frontier has a Cargo agreement with Hawaiian already. It has been in effect for a number of
years. It has been quite successful from what I have heard.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

So, just to clarify. You stated:

Quoting Enilria (Reply 1):
Menke implemented Air Canada's unbundling while there, so you can bet he's trying to do the same at Frontier

Mariner added:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
Who is taking them away? It is difficult to discuss until Frontier has announced what they are actually going to do, but I hear rumors that, at least in one case, it won't be unbundling, but rebundling.

Makes sense to me.

Then you added:

Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
If they are adding features then it's a different story.

So in other words, you really don't know.

Then Mariner added:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
So why not wait and see, rather than dumping on what you think/speculate will happen?



Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
This is my puzzle. You keeping asking us not to think you are being negative, but you tend to put the most negative interpretation on anything about Frontier.

It would seem that you created a problem where none existed. Why? You seem certain that Frontier is doing one thing, without anything to really back it up. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon that says you are anti-Frontier. However, I really don't understand why you are so quick to go in one direction when they seem to not always follow your path.

Odd.

-Dave



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5928 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 11):
The only airports I see that F9 and FL are in different terminals is FLL, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL and TPA

F9/FL serve the same terminal in STL, Main Terminal. F9 flies out of the D concourse, and FL flies out of the B Concourse but does not need to go through security to change planes, so this would not be an issue at STL.

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25 ExFATboy : Most firms' travel policy allow some variance from the lowest fare to give employees some choice in airlines - a dollar amount, a percentage, or a pe
26 KingCavalier : I did know that about STL so I don't know why I listed it. So, that only takes it down to 4 airports that could possibly have any inconvenience to pa
27 Enilria : Clearly, I agree. Well, the fact that Menke implemented ala carte pricing at AC is pretty strong indication he thinks that is the wave of the future
28 FATFlyer : I don't think we agree. You feel that unbundling will hurt F9. But if it is becoming the industry standard that reduces reasons to be concerned. Whet
29 ExFATboy : Firms that allow a variance, such as mine, don't ask the employee why they're choosing Airline "A" over Airline "B". As long as the flight you choose
30 Cubsrule : Doesn't FL have a second jetway (on B12 IIRC) that they never use? The two could very easily consolidate over there.
31 DIA : With all the Q400 excitement...I wonder if Lynx could become the (or 'a') "new" Horizon?
32 PlanesNTrains : Well, let's see. Contrast this statement: With this one: They are both the same paragraph, but essentially contradict one another. "He did this before
33 Atrude777 : Yes, however F9 uses both gates, well they did at the time they had served LAX, CUN on top of DEN too. If F9 is still doing CUN during the winter the
34 Ridgid727 : It's beginning to look like this will be the story, additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Lynx Q-400's doing some sort of express service
35 LAXintl : One big problem with a F9/HA partnership using West Coast airports is the lack of schedule compatibility. HA primarily flies AM departures, with late
36 Cubsrule : AFAIK STL-CUN is not returning this winter.
37 TheGreatChecko : I don't think I see much of a difference between the fare levels that Frontier will be offering and WN's Business Select, which apparently has been su
38 Mariner : I suspect that was the key to all the discussions that happened - that Hawaiian would introduce a HNL-DEN. I have no if it will happen, I have no ide
39 Atrude777 : The difference is WN didn't reduce the level of service for the "regular fare" paying folks, they still get to check 2 bags for free, like Biz Select
40 LAXintl : I agree. While I have always liked the idea of fare unbundling, the situation for F9 at DEN and competitive marketplace is definately different then
41 Mariner : Yet the load factors (82%) and revenue/yield increases in September would suggest there is little, if any, resistance to Frontier's present unbundlin
42 LAXintl : It just would concern me if they get too far away from what others in the market offer and make them look too subpar potentialy when staked up others.
43 Mariner : Taking post #30 as the basis of it, then for the Classic and Classic Plus customers, it seems like anything but sub-par. The question then becomes -
44 TheGreatChecko : The problem is that it has been shown time and time again that most passengers will simply chase the lowest fare, no matter the level of service. It d
45 Post contains links LAXintl : Well if SWA is any indiction with its 'Business Select' fares which loosely might match Classic Plus, in 2008 are expected to represent only slightly
46 EMB170 : Speaking for PHL, yes FL and F9 are in different terminals, but a connecting passenger would not need to go through security. F9 flights arrive/depar
47 Mariner : Hmmm? I bundled Classic together with Classic Plus, which, I suspect, is rather more than 1%. I would guess - and again it is only a guess - that som
48 Post contains links Mariner : According to FlightGlobal, the waters just got a little murkier: With regard to the Q400's: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...mbardier-about-q400
49 Petteri : That is really good news. The code-share plan as envisioned by Menke seems to be a great way forward for the airline. I really wonder if JetBlue is a
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