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The New Delta At PDX  
User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9872 times:

Delta already abandoned international operations and a fairly large domestic operation at PDX. What are the odds that Delta maintain AMS and NRT service after the full integration of their operations?

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

Pretty high since NW made the market work, the only change thats apparently on the books is for PDX-AMS to go from an A332 to a 763


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User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Excellent. NW has made the PDX-NRT and beyond traffic profitable as it has the PDX-AMS route. This international presence will boost the viability of the new DL in PDX.

User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

What are the chances that there will be "spillover" into the domestic network?
Years ago I would always come back from PDX to ATL on DL 51, which was the MD-11 that came in from the far east and continued to ATL after a stop in PDX.
Always had super crews and service. It was one of those flights that "you have to know about" in domestic service.. plus the Crown Room/International Lounge was really nice!!



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9509 times:



Quoting Skymiler (Reply 3):
What are the chances that there will be "spillover" into the domestic network?

I'd assume that the plan would be to continue relying on AS/QX for feed (even though that's dwindling).

One benefit might be increased service to DTW, especially if CVG is further scaled back.


User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

Assuming no major cutbacks, the new Delta will move into a solid third place in terms of total passengers carried at PDX behind AS/QX and WN. UA/UAx will fall into 4th place even though it serves more destinations out of PDX than the new Delta... the aircraft used are much smaller.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9325 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
the only change thats apparently on the books is for PDX-AMS to go from an A332 to a 763

Is there any chance of the flight moving to Paris? It seems like the local market is probably stronger there.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9201 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Pretty high since NW made the market work, the only change thats apparently on the books is for PDX-AMS to go from an A332 to a 763

Is this loaded into the schedule somewhere - or is there a press release? Where can information like this be found (I'm curious to know more).



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User currently offlineLH469 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

Does the A330-200's rotate NRT-PDX-AMS and vis-a-vis or is PDX a turn flight to NRT and AMS? I am curious if 767-300 placed on AMS route how aircraft rotation/utilization will be impacted?

User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8588 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Is there any chance of the flight moving to Paris? It seems like the local market is probably stronger there.

The AMS flight is used pretty heavily by some local companies with European offices in Amsterdam - most notably Weiden & Kennedy, and Nike. Not sure of local biz with ties to Paris. Though tourism to Paris would likely be higher, the yields likely would not be if the biz traffic weren't there. The NW/KLM AMS connecting hub is pretty good too. I'm not sure how well the DL/AF connecting opportunities are in CDG.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8504 times:



Quoting LH469 (Reply 8):
Does the A330-200's rotate NRT-PDX-AMS and vis-a-vis or is PDX a turn flight to NRT and AMS?


NW5 PDX 1355 NRT 1655+1
NW6 NRT 1525 PDX 0810
Possible to route AMS-PDX-NRT

NW92 PDX 1605 AMS 1100+1
NW91 AMS 1025 PDX 1155
Possible to route NRT-PDX-AMS

Quoting LH469 (Reply 8):
I am curious if 767-300 placed on AMS route how aircraft rotation/utilization will be impacted?

It would be the same, the only thing is if their is any sort of payload restriction on the DL 767-300 models that could fly the PDX-NRT route.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8103 times:



Quoting Jetskipper (Thread starter):

Delta already abandoned international operations and a fairly large domestic operation at PDX. What are the odds that Delta maintain AMS and NRT service after the full integration of their operations?

Both routes will stay one will go 763.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Is there any chance of the flight moving to Paris? It seems like the local market is probably stronger there.

I would say there is a chance but not likely.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 10):
It would be the same, the only thing is if their is any sort of payload restriction on the DL 767-300 models that could fly the PDX-NRT route.

the PDX-NRT route will stay A332 and just move via the NRT hub.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3406 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7551 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 7):
Is this loaded into the schedule somewhere - or is there a press release? Where can information like this be found (I'm curious to know more).

Not a press release per se, but it was a cover story in Passages (now called Connections), which is a company newspaper delivered monthly to all NW employees.

Quoting LH469 (Reply 8):
Does the A330-200's rotate NRT-PDX-AMS and vis-a-vis or is PDX a turn flight to NRT and AMS?

The occasionally "bridge" these planes through PDX on their way to/from maintenance. Otherwise, it's usually AMS-PDX-AMS, and NRT-PDX-NRT....



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User currently offlineLH469 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

I don't believe the PDX market will be very keen on the current J class offer on the DL 767-300.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7114 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Pretty high since NW made the market work, the only change thats apparently on the books is for PDX-AMS to go from an A332 to a 763

I believe that both routes will stay but I thought I read somewhere that PDX-NRT would switch to a 763ER. As far as CDG, I'm not sure PDX can support both AMS and CDG but, no doubt it's being looked at by the route planners. If CDG is feasible, wouldn't it by nice to have AF fly it with an A330.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6861 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):


Quoting Jetskipper (Thread starter):

Delta already abandoned international operations and a fairly large domestic operation at PDX. What are the odds that Delta maintain AMS and NRT service after the full integration of their operations?

Both routes will stay one will go 763.

You know, a 763 could do PDX-NRT, it might cut costs and allow the A332 to be allocated somewhere it might make more money?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6805 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
You know, a 763 could do PDX-NRT, it might cut costs and allow the A332 to be allocated somewhere it might make more money?

I know this but from what I have been told the A332 is the "perfict" plane for NRT-PDX.



yep.
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6697 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
I know this but from what I have been told the A332 is the "perfict" plane for NRT-PDX

If the LAX-Japan 767-300 ever come about I would say at that point the 767-300 would be a better fit. The 767-300 would be perfect for routings such as PDX-AMS, LAX-CTS, LAX-NGO, among others inclusive of the newly saught after LAX-GRU.

As it is, there is strong talk that the current A330-200 on PDX-NRT, and PDX-AMS will be put to better use elsewhere in the NW system. The 767-300 from what has been discussed is the perfect fit for PDX-NRT and PDX-AMS. The ex PDX A330-200 can be used as they have the range and put to better use on a route such as MSP-KIX and MSP-NGO, or as lofty as a possible SLC-NRT or SLC-ICN.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6661 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 17):
If the LAX-Japan 767-300 ever come about I would say at that point the 767-300 would be a better fit. The 767-300 would be perfect for routings such as PDX-AMS, LAX-CTS, LAX-NGO, among others inclusive of the newly saught after LAX-GRU.

LAX-KIX.



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6598 times:



Quoting LH469 (Reply 13):
I don't believe the PDX market will be very keen on the current J class offer on the DL 767-300.

That's why its being totally revamped.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6562 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 19):
That's why its being totally revamped

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There will be no DL 767-300 to Asia until the Suites are installed. That is they key, and has been discussed as the key to the DL 767 plan to Asia.


User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4459 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 17):
If the LAX-Japan 767-300 ever come about I would say at that point the 767-300 would be a better fit. The 767-300 would be perfect for routings such as PDX-AMS, LAX-CTS, LAX-NGO, among others inclusive of the newly saught after LAX-GRU.

I higly doubt they will swicht any operation from A332 to a 763 unless the flight is under six hours. The A332 is far more efficient than the 763 for any trip over six hours, not to metion the advatange in cargo capacity.

A movement like this one would be pretty fool....


User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3997 times:



Quoting Carls (Reply 21):
not to metion the advatange in cargo capacity.

I think the cargo issue is potentially reason enough to keep the A332s on both routes. I don't have stats on NW int'l cargo ops out of PDX, but if the LH FRA flight is any comparison, cargo is a big deal on int'l flights out of PDX. The single LH flight carried over 7,000 short tons of freight in and out of PDX in 2007.


User currently offlineLH469 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Any news on expansion of the World Club in PDX?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3688 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 20):
There will be no DL 767-300 to Asia until the Suites are installed. That is they key, and has been discussed as the key to the DL 767 plan to Asia.

The 763s do not have a (public) time frame to get the new Suites. Only the 764s.



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