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Mesa And Pilots Agree On New Contract  
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

For a change, this is a bit of positive news concerning Mesa.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081007/dc37410.html?.v=1

I don't know the details, but it appears to be a better deal for the pilots than the existing agreement. The thing I am wondering is, since this is a Johnny O. deal, whats in the fine print.

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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3311 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

When word hit the street that Paul Foley was the new COO, the union may have realized that this was as good as it was going to get.

User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3074 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 1):
When word hit the street that Paul Foley was the new COO, the union may have realized that this was as good as it was going to get.



Quoting Apodino (Thread starter):
I don't know the details, but it appears to be a better deal for the pilots than the existing agreement. The thing I am wondering is, since this is a Johnny O. deal, whats in the fine print.

The union since 2004 was beating its chest saying how they were going to get an industry leading contract, blah blah blah. At least the YV union leaders are smarter than many other airlines' unions in that they didnt ask for the world when it would surely put them into the unemployment line.

It's amazing how their attitudes changed when airlines started failing and the majors (and many other regionals) have stopped hiring. The grass isnt always greener on the other side. They are at least still getting paid.


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2953 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 2):
The union since 2004 was beating its chest saying how they were going to get an industry leading contract, blah blah blah. At least the YV union leaders are smarter than many other airlines' unions in that they didnt ask for the world when it would surely put them into the unemployment line.

It's amazing how their attitudes changed when airlines started failing and the majors (and many other regionals) have stopped hiring. The grass isnt always greener on the other side. They are at least still getting paid.

The grass is greener on the other side. QOL for YV pilots is probably the worst in the regionals. From what I hear this TA doesn't do enough to address that; and they can address that without getting "the world."

Hopefully they vote no.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

10 months and they already have a TA? Obviously they didn't ask for enough. Something's up. It took 5 years for ASA and we at Republic are about 1.5 years into our negotiations and we're not even close to an agreement.


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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2880 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 2):
The union since 2004 was beating its chest saying how they were going to get an industry leading contract, blah blah blah. At least the YV union leaders are smarter than many other airlines' unions in that they didnt ask for the world when it would surely put them into the unemployment line.

Asking for the world does not mean you are going to get it (I would dare say 100% of the time you don't which is why none of us are millionares). We start high, management starts low and the negotiated settlement ideally ends up somewhere in the middle. Just like you I want to make as much as I can, working as little as possible and not kill the golden goose.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2837 times:



Quoting Loggat (Reply 4):
10 months and they already have a TA? Obviously they didn't ask for enough. Something's up. It took 5 years for ASA and we at Republic are about 1.5 years into our negotiations and we're not even close to an agreement.

The situation at Mesa makes a bankruptcy seem more and more likely. If that were to happen, then the Union would likely have to deal with an imposed contract from a bankruptcy judge. Even if this is ratified, will this stick around in a Chapter 11 situation?

The other thing is, will this be approved, or are the pilots going to turn this down and say enough is enough?


User currently offlineKstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2810 times:



Quoting Loggat (Reply 4):
It took 5 years for ASA and we at Republic are about 1.5 years into our negotiations and we're not even close to an agreement.

Just because you took that long, why do we have to take that long to get a good contract?

From what I have heard in the crew rooms is:

Min. 12 days off both for line and reserve
PBS
Pay increase of 10%
Differential pay for FO's
Daily Guarantee (don't know what it is, I would guess around 4.0)
Trip and duty regs

That is the big stuff that I have heard about.


User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2803 times:



Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 7):
Just because you took that long, why do we have to take that long to get a good contract?

From what I have heard in the crew rooms is:

Min. 12 days off both for line and reserve
PBS
Pay increase of 10%
Differential pay for FO's
Daily Guarantee (don't know what it is, I would guess around 4.0)
Trip and duty regs

That is the big stuff that I have heard about.

Hmm...believe it when you see it. Talk is cheap.


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting Drewwright (Reply 8):
Hmm...believe it when you see it. Talk is cheap.

I love it. A flight attendant that doesnt work at Mesa is telling a Mesa pilot what the contract is or isnt.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Plus, who thinks for a second that Johnny will actually ABIDE by the contract. From what I hear from some YV people I know, who are crewmembers, he has raised contractual noncompliance to an art form...


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