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Horizon In Talks To Defer 11 Q400 Deliveries  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

As popular as the Q400 is, it seems like Alaska Air Group is concerned about excess capacity absorbing(and financing) more tails in 2009.

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Horizon Air In Talks To Defer Q400 Deliveries In 2009
10/08/2008

Horizon Air is in discussions with Bombardier about deferring the 11 Q400 aircraft deliveries scheduled for next year, parent company Alaska Air Group said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Oct. 7.

Horizon wants to retime the deliveries “to coincide with the successful remarketing and transition out of the CRJ-700 aircraft.” Horizon still plans to take delivery of three Q400s as scheduled for the fourth quarter of this year, it added.

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http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat...s+To+Defer+Q400+Deliveries+In+2009


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13643 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
it seems like Alaska Air Group is concerned about excess capacity

Isn't everyone?



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
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I'm sure Porter will love to snatch those delivery slots.


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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Wouldn't it be more economical to park the RJ's and take on the Q400's, even if QX is leasing the aircraft?


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User currently offline87Grounded From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3789 times:



Quoting BooDog (Reply 3):
Wouldn't it be more economical to park the RJ's and take on the Q400's, even if QX is leasing the aircraft?

Doesn't that depend on the terms? Even 30% greater fuel efficiency on the Q400s doesn't seem to make up for the payments on a plane just sitting there. But if I'm wrong in this I'd love to see the number because I'm curious as well.

You also have the ongoing maintenance and inspections of the grounded planes even when they are not flying. Unless they park them in the desert but there's another added cost. I just can't imagine the lease payments and insurance would be completely made up by subbing Q400's for CRJ700s.

If they can defer some deliveries and find new operators for the CRJ fleet and time them a little bit better with phaseouts, they won't have to deal with all the hassles of parking planes and maintaining them even while they are doing nothing.


User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3632 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 5):
I'd love to see the number because I'm curious as well.

So would I.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3602 times:
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Is QX getting any interest from other airlines about the CR7s? I would think the CR7 would be quite useful and economical for other airlines...

Are the QX CR7 std range or ER?

[Edited 2008-10-08 01:04:06]


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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3462 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Is QX getting any interest from other airlines about the CR7s? I would think the CR7 would be quite useful and economical for other airlines...

So far the response has been lukewarm. The only talks that are serious are for an African airline apparently that wants to lease 2 of them. Unfortunately there are 18 left after that that nobody has committed to.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3318 times:
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Fuel prices have been slowly (and I stress "slowly") going down. Is it possible that QX could rescind their statement about getting rid of their CR7's?

User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Fuel prices have been slowly (and I stress "slowly") going down. Is it possible that QX could rescind their statement about getting rid of their CR7's?

I have been wondering that as well. I know there are cost savings with one fleet type. But rather than having to possibly look at a third party to pick up some flying...maybe they could keep 8-10 CRJs for the longer thinner routes like they are already using them on. Then we no longer would have to worry about the flight time disadvantage of the Q400.


User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Looks like Pinnacle/Colgan might also be interested in those delivery positions.

ATW Daily News

Pinnacle looks to expand Q400 flying
Wednesday October 8, 2008
Pinnacle Airlines Corp., parent of Pinnacle Airlines and Colgan Air, plans to exercise up to 15 Q400 options before year end and shop the aircraft to its mainline partners, President and CEO Phil Trenary told ATWOnline yesterday.

Colgan currently operates the aircraft on behalf of Continental Connection (ATWOnline, Feb. 5). Pinnacle and Colgan operate regional jets and turboprops respectively and also fly for Northwest Airlink, Delta Connection, US Airways Express and United Express. Pinnacle's March 2007 Q400 order comprised 15 firm, 10 conditional and 20 option aircraft.

Trenary conceded yesterday in a meeting with ATW editors that operating an additional 15 turboprops for any of its partners is "a fairly bold goal considering the market" but said the company wants to take advantage of delivery slots starting in 2010 and feels the aircraft will make economic sense. "We're talking to all of our airline partners about the Q400," he said. "Fifteen are reserved for Continental. The other 15 we can take anywhere we want." He stressed that placing the aircraft is a "goal" and that a definitive announcement will not come until "the customer says they'll take the airplanes."


by Brian Straus

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User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Is QX getting any interest from other airlines about the CR7s? I would think the CR7 would be quite useful and economical for other airlines...

From what I have been told, we have gotten a few offers for the aircraft, including one US airline, but from what I understand, they want all 20 of them at once... That was a few months ago, so I have not heard anything else lately. I do not want to see the CRJ leave soon, as the Q400 still does not have all the kinks worked out of it.

Kris



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User currently offlineStillageek From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Do you know which US airline wanted the CRJs? Was it a DFW based airline by any chance?

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