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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7241 times:

31 new orders were booked.

MAZ Aviation 6 x A350 (A350 stands currently at 458)
CIT 2 x A319, 8 x A320
Air One 5 x A320
Alafco 4 x A320
VIP 4 x A318
Arik Air 2 x A345


http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/


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User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2589 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7187 times:

A340-500 backlog slashed to five as Airbus restructures orderbook

Source: www.flightglobal.com
* Airbus restructures A340-500 orderbook
* A340-500 backlog down to 5 aircraft
* Kingfisher: A340-500 order reduced to 3 aircraft
* Kingfisher: 5 A340-500 converted to 5 A330-200
* Kingfisher: A330-200 order now totals 20
* 2 ex Kingfisher A340-500 now transferred to Arik Air; 3rd airframe currently "being finalised"
* Total A340-500 orders stand at 33 aircraft

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User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7126 times:

33 A345 Ordered?

That is an investment that clearly did not work. Another Concorde-like moment from the Europeans.

Another upset for me is I have less of a chance of flying on them, with so few around!


User currently offlineA520 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7104 times:

Another question is:
4 A330 delivered: why so few?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7094 times:



Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
31 new orders were booked.

MAZ Aviation 6 x A350 (A350 stands currently at 458)
CIT 2 x A319, 8 x A320
Air One 5 x A320
Alafco 4 x A320
VIP 4 x A318
Arik Air 2 x A345


http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

One has to wonder when Airbus and Kingfisher will come to an understanding to finalise the A350XWB deal. Kingfisher has yet to convert their A350 (original) into the A350XWB series.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 2):
33 A345 Ordered?

That is an investment that clearly did not work. Another Concorde-like moment from the Europeans.

You will also have just about the same luck flying in the 777-200LR. Both sales figures for the A345 and 77L clearly show that the market for ULH aircraft is very limited.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7069 times:



Quoting EbbUK (Reply 2):
Another Concorde-like moment from the Europeans.

Hardly.

100+ A340-600s will have helped and both were developed as elements of a programme which has sold well in excess of 1,000. Neither models can be called a 'success' but I've seen it argued that RR will probably break even on the Trent 500 and it may be that 140 or so A345/6s might just scrape back their development costs for Airbus. In any case, we're hardly talking about a crippling loss.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7063 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
You will also have just about the same luck flying in the 777-200LR.

I could live with that actually. The T7 doesn't tickle my fancy in quite the same way.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6947 times:



Quoting A520 (Reply 3):
Another question is:
4 A330 delivered: why so few?

Deliveries vary from month to month and they've probably made a few for IT that are then parked up at TLS,


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6945 times:

Fogot to add still no firming of the EY order from Farnborough and it looks like Air Comet are living in dreamland as they've been discussing delivery dates for their A380s which haven't been firmed yet......

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6728 times:
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Quoting A520 (Reply 3):
4 A330 delivered: why so few?

Sounds like some A340s went down the line, as well, which would lower the available slots for A330s.

[Edited 2008-10-08 06:12:32]

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6722 times:



Quoting A520 (Reply 3):
Another question is:
4 A330 delivered: why so few?

Probably due to the reorganization of Airbus and the summer usually has fewer deliveries due to the August Holiday.



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User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6674 times:



Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
31 new orders were booked.

MAZ Aviation 6 x A350 (A350 stands currently at 458)
CIT 2 x A319, 8 x A320
Air One 5 x A320
Alafco 4 x A320
VIP 4 x A318
Arik Air 2 x A345

its amazing their getting orders like this in the current economic climate.

iwok


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6585 times:



Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
its amazing their getting orders like this in the current economic climate.

The airline managers must realize that the economy is cyclical and that this downturn will inevitably lead into an upturn. If they don't order their new aircraft now then by the time things do get better they'll either have old planes due for replacement or no planes at all to be able to expand. I'm expecting fewer orders at both Airbus and Boeing but than last year but you will still see some orders.

And isn't AF-KL supposed to decide between the A350/787 by the end of this year and place an order?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
You will also have just about the same luck flying in the 777-200LR. Both sales figures for the A345 and 77L clearly show that the market for ULH aircraft is very limited.

From everything I have read in here it seems like total orders for either ULH plane are not expected to pass 50 per model. But still, those 70+ frames will be more than enough to cover most (if not all) of the ULH routes.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6358 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 12):

And isn't AF-KL supposed to decide between the A350/787 by the end of this year and place an order?

I wouldn't be surprised to see this order delayed with all of the financial turmoil globally.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 12):
From everything I have read in here it seems like total orders for either ULH plane are not expected to pass 50 per model. But still, those 70+ frames will be more than enough to cover most (if not all) of the ULH routes.

70 aircraft is more than enough to fly all of the ULH routes we currently have. Heck Many, if not most of the A345s and 77Ls aren't even operating on ULH routes.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5998 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
100+ A340-600s will have helped and both were developed as elements of a programme which has sold well in excess of 1,000. Neither models can be called a 'success' but I've seen it argued that RR will probably break even on the Trent 500 and it may be that 140 or so A345/6s might just scrape back their development costs for Airbus. In any case, we're hardly talking about a crippling loss.

Very well said. Having made the same argument for the 747-8 family, I must agree entirely. It is a shame though, the A340-500 is my favorite of the family (I always felt the engines were perfectly balanced size wise with the airframe). Despite my undying love for the 777, a few more A340s could not hurt.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 12):
And isn't AF-KL supposed to decide between the A350/787 by the end of this year and place an order?

I believe the last I read had the order in first quarter 2009 (so they may privately decide by end of year, and announce in 2009).

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):
70 aircraft is more than enough to fly all of the ULH routes we currently have. Heck Many, if not most of the A345s and 77Ls aren't even operating on ULH routes.

Very true. The 77L is becoming popular on the longer 772ER routes which were previously cargo limited due to restrictions.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3597 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5918 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Quoting A520 (Reply 3):
4 A330 delivered: why so few?

Sounds like some A340s went down the line, as well, which would lower the available slots for A330s.

Only one A340 (A345) delivered in Sept though.

Total A330/A340 deliveries for the year stand at 58 or 6.44 per month. If the production rate is about 8 month as the Airbus 2007 Report (see link) would lead you to believe, there must be 12 to 14 A330/A340's sitting somewhere.

Are these Kingfisher A345's awaiting reassignment and/or other customer airplanes held up due to lack of BFE (seats, galleys, lavs etc)?

http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...ect_file_Annual_Review_2007_En.pdf



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10234 posts, RR: 97
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
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Quoting PW100 (Reply 1):
2 ex Kingfisher A340-500 now transferred to Arik Air; 3rd airframe currently "being finalised"
* Total A340-500 orders stand at 33 aircraft

which sounds like we'll see another one added in the October orders...

Rgds


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

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